Imperial VS Stormcloak

[MidbossVyers]

Well, gameplay-wise, the Legion appeals to a wider playstyle, as without mods, the Legion has both heavy armor and light armor, while the Stormcloaks only have light armor.

[fraquar]

Skyrim has all the minerals needed to craft the implements of war - in spades. What, are you blind or something?

 

We don't see any evidence whatsoever of a military buildup in Skyrim. None, Zero, Diddly Squat. In fact, the blacksmiths have a hard enough time just kitting the armies fighting the Civil War. You'd think it would be the reverse if they were building up to take on the Thalmor - 30 years after the WGC.

 

Then again, how could they do a build up? The Thalmor wouldn't approve of it anyway and as we see they come and go with impunity in Skyrim and the Empire won't do a damn thing about it.

 

This Empire is dead, even if it somehow managed to quell the rebellion. It has no backbone.

[sajuukkhar9000]

Skyrim has all the minerals needed to craft the implements of war - in spades. What, are you blind or something?

 

We don't see any evidence whatsoever of a military buildup in Skyrim. None, Zero, Diddly Squat. In fact, the blacksmiths have a hard enough time just kitting the armies fighting the Civil War. You'd think it would be the reverse if they were building up to take on the Thalmor - 30 years after the WGC.

 

Then again, how could they do a build up? The Thalmor wouldn't approve of it anyway and as we see they come and go with impunity in Skyrim and the Empire won't do a damn thing about it.

 

This Empire is dead, even if it somehow managed to quell the rebellion. It has no backbone.

 

Skyrim has no more the minerals to build the tools of war then any other province, and unlike Skyrim, Cyrodiil is far more civilized, and is easier to mine/transport the minerals that are there.

 

Not to mention that the smiths say there is no end to the needs of the Imperials, not just the Legion stationed in Skyrim for the civil war, there is nothing that states the smiths are working only for the one Legion in Skyrim that is there fore the civil war. Not to mention people like Lod are getting significantly more demand hen they normally were.

 

Furthermore, The Thalmor have no real control over how much The empire builds up its forces, the only thing the WGC enables them to do s root out Talos worshipers.

Edited February 26, 2013 by sajuukkhar9000

[MidbossVyers]

In terms of more demand, yes, there is more... Because of the Civil War. Any soldier or mercenary fighting for either side will need weapons and armor, and when they do, demand for smithing increases. That's not directly because of the Empire. If anything, it's because of the Civil War, started by the Stormcloaks.

[RighthandofSithis]

 

hink about this for a second. Where in Skyrim do you see any evidence whatsover of a military buildup? If the Empire was going to build up, Skyrim would be the logical place - outside of Thalmor eyes and ears - it's where all the resources for a buildup reside.

 

All this talk of buildup, ready to wage war on the Thalmor if only the Stormcloaks wouldn't be ruining things is laughable at best. Empire can't even tell the Thalmor to pound sand - that the Empire will enforce the terms of the treaty.

 

What resources?

-Skyrim is dependent on Cyrodiil for food

-Cyrodiil is also the center of the continent, meaning it's easier to ship things there instead of shipping them north, only for the armies to march back down south.

 

And how exactly is Skyrim outside the eyes and ears of the Thalmor? If The Empire was building up forces, the Thalmor would no no matter where they were being built up.

 

And really "lets leave the borders largely unguarded because that isn't what got us blitzkrieged by the AD the first TIME!"(/sarcasm) isn't really a good military strategy.

Two points.

 

Please reffer to our previous discussion about how Skyrim actually can support itself. if you want, I can repeat it here for you.

 

And the Dominion actually doesn't have access to the Blitzkrieg tactic, which relied upon mechanised infantry and tanks with air superiority to smash headstrong into your opponents lines with such overwhelming force that the enemy is not capable of providing any resistance. The Dominion had to flank the Imperials, notably without air support or mechanised infantry.

[StormHammer81]

Sorry guys, I've been busy dealing with some other things for a while.

 

^{@RighthandofSithis}

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Well, I'll start by, once again, asking you to present yourself with some dignity. Laughing at your opponents makes you the lesser man.

Quite frankly my dear I don't give a damn. I wasn't aware that the Stormcloaks were so concerned over "dignity", after all old dude from the other forum basically referred to the Imperials as "child rapists". :/ Real classy.

 

Furthermore, I'm not the one with a passive-aggressive attitude, you know saying things like:

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Please reffer to our previous discussion about how Skyrim actually can support itself. if you want, I can repeat it here for you.

I'm sure the Imperial Soldier you are referring to is very well educated and has already reviewed your previous posts. If you guys supposedly fight for freedom, then this should include the freedom for people to disagree with you.

Edited February 26, 2013 by StormHammer81

[kradus]

Dude, that was a misunderstanding.

[HighkingUlfricStormcloak]

Sajuukhar9000, Skyrim is not dependent on Cyrodiil for food. Theres no proof of this anywhere - therefore completely wrong. Thats a bias, a warrant without backing is a bias. Skyrim produces it's own food and other than in Solitude (Maybe) theres no mention of food shortages anywhere. So recalculate.

 

My analogy was fictional obviously, if that had actually happened then it would have been an example rather than an analogy.

 

On the supposed build up of armies on Cyrodiil's border, well theres one reference to that and its from Tullius, Im not saying its not true but Im saying theres no hard evidence. Why deosnt the Empire use its apparent legions to help resolve the civil unrest within its own country? Cicero's journal states Cyrodiil's current state and many NPC's also say "I escaped the fighting in Cyrodiil just to have it follow me here." Which might indicate that things arent as peaceful as people like to think.

 

This Empire is under the Mede dynasty, I loved the Septims not these imitators.

 

Ysmir is also the Nordic aspect of Talos and the Nords have come to know Ysmir as Talos. He is the god of war in the Nordic Pantheon. Also, it doesnt matter what race Talos was considering its not 100% known. Some sources say he's from Atmora (I dont really believe that, it would be cool though) and some say he's from Skyrim, some say he's from Alcaire. But Ysmir is a Nord. Thats a fact.

 

Talos used his Cyrodiilic armies to defeat the Nords at Sancre Tor, his army was ill equipped and untrained and Talos outsmarted the Nords and Bretons. Thats how he did business. Talos used superior tactics rather than pure muscle and numbers. Which many sources claim the "Pact of Nord Chieftains" trained him and taught him the art of warfare. So many things are unclear when it comes to him, but one thing is certain, no one is telling me that Im not allowed to worship him.

[Kayyyleb]

 

 

Hm. True enough on the goal of the Dominion but Im trying to make you realize that the religious oppression is wrong. No matter if its permanent or temporary. Its wrong and that relevant. Thats what Im pointing out. And yes the Empire is a puppet. It may be a quote from Tullius about the forces gathering to face the AD but then why would they put there most veteran legion in Skyrim to occupy it?

 

Thats a great plan. "Hm, lets put our best soldiers in Skyrim to kill the Nords and than occupy it and leave our unexperienced soldiers on the border with the AD."

 

Once again, what leadership? Oh thats right, the Elder council. The people who ordered the assassination of their leader, they are soo dedicated to this. (Sarcasm)

 

Religious oppression means nothing to the Thalmor. It's all a ploy to get Skyrim to rebel. So far it's worked perfectly on you. If you have a cold war on one side and a hot war on the other where would you send your best troops to fight? Of course they sent the best into the actual fight instead of the glaring match. Maybe if Skyrim wasn't stabbing the Empire in the back they could have all their troops on the AD's border, hmm?

 

One noble out of the entire council ordering a hit on the emperor hardly counts as the entire council rebelling.

Think about this for a second. Where in Skyrim do you see any evidence whatsover of a military buildup? If the Empire was going to build up, Skyrim would be the logical place - outside of Thalmor eyes and ears - it's where all the resources for a buildup reside.

 

All this talk of buildup, ready to wage war on the Thalmor if only the Stormcloaks wouldn't be ruining things is laughable at best. Empire can't even tell the Thalmor to pound sand - that the Empire will enforce the terms of the treaty.

Nowhere did I mention anything about a military buildup. What's the point of building up an army in Skyrim? So you can invade Morrowind? Why bother hiding your army? Both sides are preparing for war and both sides know it so the Empire gains nothing from pretending to hide it. Building up in Skyrim only means if the AD hits Cyrodiil the entire army has to march twice as far to get anywhere useful. Also, what resources? Skyrim is a frozen wasteland and large armies eat lots of food which Skyrim mostly imports from Cyodiil anyways. Nothing in this strategy makes any sense whatsoever.

Edited February 26, 2013 by Kayyyleb

[HighkingUlfricStormcloak]

Where is the proof that Skyrim gets its food from Cyrodiil? Where? Also have you not noticed all the veins of ore for Steel and Iron and Silver? Well I think we both know Skyrim has many resources. If you deny this then you dont know Skyrim very well.

 

A Wasteland - an unused area of land that has become overgrown.

- A bleak, unattractive, and unused or neglected urban or industrial area: "industrial wasteland"; "a cultural wasteland".

 

Skyrim is no wasteland.

 

And Im aware steel is not a natural occurring mineral.

Edited February 26, 2013 by Stormcloak117