rpacetoday Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 (edited) In response to post #41548250. #41549805, #41554765, #41555265, #41555345, #41555580, #41555720, #41555905, #41556075 are all replies on the same post. Reveal hidden contents Quote AddictedBloo wrote: I have some concerns regarding the new chat and the (maybe) potential abuse of it. So I wanted to ask if it will ever be integrated with the forums (if possible) where we don't need to create an account with discord. The other issue is the file sharing aspect, I have done some reading up on it and heard from some friends, now I'm not saying it is nor isn't possible but I worry that there could be some malicious abuse with it for something as public as Nexus. I don't know for certain if malicious code can be implemented but it's my main concern. Do you plan on turning file sharing off? That's pretty much it for now. Thanks. Quote NeoNord wrote: As history has shown multiple times, if there is a way to abuse something, people will find it and abuse it endlessly. I went through this with one MMO and do not plan to deal with it again. An inherently bad idea but Nexus has already stated in a "news" release they want to get more involved in social media. Probably a good time to start looking for alternatives to Nexus. Your point is well taken but I doubt anyone at Nexus will heed it. I hope the community reads your post before they make a decision. Quote rpacetoday wrote: yeah i do not want a discord account either and considering I have already paid Nexus for usage, I do not feel that I should have to sign up for oneI feel violated somehowand cheated Quote BlindJudge wrote: We are going to be monitoring the chat and voice closely to begin with. We want communication to be free flowing but will obviously ban anyone who shares anything malicious, pornographic etc. These first couple of weeks are going to be a learning curve and we are looking at 'bots' that can help with moderation etc.We'll keep you informed. Quote rpacetoday wrote: but yet we are being forced to sign up with a service and share more of our personal data. I do not find this right. Quote rpacetoday wrote: oh and monitoring voice chat is just censorship in the extreme.....I do think you will bump heads with freedom of speech issues. It is one thing when it is posted on a web chat, but when it is in spoken chat, you really run the risk of going afoul with the law Quote matortheeternal wrote: rpacetoday: I think you must be misunderstanding something fundamental about this change. You are neither obligated nor required to join or participate in the Nexus Discord Chat. Your membership and continued usage of Nexus Mods is in no way impacted by whether or not you participate in the Discord Chat.Discord is a well known service used by thousands of gamers and is very trustworthy in my opinion. You're free to have any opinion you want on the service, of course. You are not being violated or cheated - there are no repercussions for not participating in the new Discord chat. Quote rpacetoday wrote: well I do feel cheated because there will be no chat as it used to be and I will be forced to sign up for an external service just to chat.....so while it may be a well known service, I think it should be an additional service to the chat already existing. As far as the trustworthiness is concerned, when Nexus says they will be monitoring the spoken chat to punish people they disagree with, that, at least to me, seems to be going too far. Discord should be an option, not an obligation. Quote matortheeternal wrote: Discord is an option, not an obligation. The Nexus is not obligated to provide a chatroom as a part of their forum functionality. You are free to set up your own chat server/service for people to use to communicate with you. You are also of course free to continue using the private messaging functionality of the forums to communicate with specific individuals. There's also email, steam (assuming you own a steam game, you have access to steam chat), and many other options out there.okay, they have had a chatroom for as long as I can remember.....they may not be obligated to have one, but to give up a good one in favor of another info grabbing company, is wrong. I have enjoyed coming to chat periodically for some time now, meeting up with the Bloos and the Tacos of this world, but I guess that will all change now and you say, somehow, that I am wrong to be against it........grrrrrrrr.Edit.....and yes, discord SHOULD be an option and not an obligation, but that is not the case. Edited August 18, 2016 by rpacetoday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpacetoday Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 In response to post #41555660. #41555880 is also a reply to the same post. Reveal hidden contents Quote AddictedBloo wrote: Bots? Free flowing? This all sounds like a terrible idea.... Very very terrible idea. Well it looks like my chatting days have come to a close. Quote matortheeternal wrote: Not really. Discord chats with bots and "free-flowing" information are pretty standard. Really this dates back to the early days of IRC. This has been the norm for a very long time now.It has been a pleasure chatting with you Bloo.....have a great one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McclaudEagle Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 So far, from what I understand, there's a fair bit more freedom for the Nexus admins to play around with Discord chat than the current IP Boards chat. Currently, it's just a trial run, and if nobody likes it, or it can't serve the Nexus' purpose as needed, then it'll probably be dropped and we'll all end up back in the old chat until a suitable replacement is found. With the freedom the admins have had so far, I wouldn't be surprised if they are able to fully incorporate it into the Nexus Forums like the current chat, with all the accounts linked like it currently is. The only reason the current chat works like it does is because it is supplied by IP Boards, who also made the forum software we're currently using. The current chat is ancient, and laden with a number of annoying bugs that IP Boards don't appear to be fixing. The random kick bug has been around for as long as I can remember, and yet IP Boards has done nothing to deal with it as far as I'm aware. If they are able to properly embed the Discord chat into the Nexus, then I don't imagine there would be a problem with the chat using the Nexus' database, which would mean all the members on the chat would be the same members on here like the current chat does it. I imagine the only reason it's not currently embedded is because they're testing it, and getting us to trial it to see how everyone likes it. Besides, although the current chat is a bit empty at the moment, it's hasn't been shut down and I don't imagine it'll be shut down until Dark0ne and his team are satisfied that Discord will be a suitable alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostDragonborn Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Will the old chat be kept? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jalond Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 In response to post #41548250. #41549805, #41554765, #41555265, #41555345, #41555580, #41555720, #41555905, #41556075, #41556295 are all replies on the same post. Reveal hidden contents Quote AddictedBloo wrote: I have some concerns regarding the new chat and the (maybe) potential abuse of it. So I wanted to ask if it will ever be integrated with the forums (if possible) where we don't need to create an account with discord. The other issue is the file sharing aspect, I have done some reading up on it and heard from some friends, now I'm not saying it is nor isn't possible but I worry that there could be some malicious abuse with it for something as public as Nexus. I don't know for certain if malicious code can be implemented but it's my main concern. Do you plan on turning file sharing off? That's pretty much it for now. Thanks. Quote NeoNord wrote: As history has shown multiple times, if there is a way to abuse something, people will find it and abuse it endlessly. I went through this with one MMO and do not plan to deal with it again. An inherently bad idea but Nexus has already stated in a "news" release they want to get more involved in social media. Probably a good time to start looking for alternatives to Nexus. Your point is well taken but I doubt anyone at Nexus will heed it. I hope the community reads your post before they make a decision. Quote rpacetoday wrote: yeah i do not want a discord account either and considering I have already paid Nexus for usage, I do not feel that I should have to sign up for oneI feel violated somehowand cheated Quote BlindJudge wrote: We are going to be monitoring the chat and voice closely to begin with. We want communication to be free flowing but will obviously ban anyone who shares anything malicious, pornographic etc. These first couple of weeks are going to be a learning curve and we are looking at 'bots' that can help with moderation etc.We'll keep you informed. Quote rpacetoday wrote: but yet we are being forced to sign up with a service and share more of our personal data. I do not find this right. Quote rpacetoday wrote: oh and monitoring voice chat is just censorship in the extreme.....I do think you will bump heads with freedom of speech issues. It is one thing when it is posted on a web chat, but when it is in spoken chat, you really run the risk of going afoul with the law Quote matortheeternal wrote: rpacetoday: I think you must be misunderstanding something fundamental about this change. You are neither obligated nor required to join or participate in the Nexus Discord Chat. Your membership and continued usage of Nexus Mods is in no way impacted by whether or not you participate in the Discord Chat.Discord is a well known service used by thousands of gamers and is very trustworthy in my opinion. You're free to have any opinion you want on the service, of course. You are not being violated or cheated - there are no repercussions for not participating in the new Discord chat. Quote rpacetoday wrote: well I do feel cheated because there will be no chat as it used to be and I will be forced to sign up for an external service just to chat.....so while it may be a well known service, I think it should be an additional service to the chat already existing. As far as the trustworthiness is concerned, when Nexus says they will be monitoring the spoken chat to punish people they disagree with, that, at least to me, seems to be going too far. Discord should be an option, not an obligation. Quote matortheeternal wrote: Discord is an option, not an obligation. The Nexus is not obligated to provide a chatroom as a part of their forum functionality. You are free to set up your own chat server/service for people to use to communicate with you. You are also of course free to continue using the private messaging functionality of the forums to communicate with specific individuals. There's also email, steam (assuming you own a steam game, you have access to steam chat), and many other options out there. Quote rpacetoday wrote: okay, they have had a chatroom for as long as I can remember.....they may not be obligated to have one, but to give up a good one in favor of another info grabbing company, is wrong. I have enjoyed coming to chat periodically for some time now, meeting up with the Bloos and the Tacos of this world, but I guess that will all change now and you say, somehow, that I am wrong to be against it........grrrrrrrr.Edit.....and yes, discord SHOULD be an option and not an obligation, but that is not the case.This is the internet. You have no freedom of speech on someone's domain or their chat room. Do not confuse Discord with public domain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVampireDante Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 In response to post #41554410. #41555155, #41555405, #41556010, #41556150 are all replies on the same post. Reveal hidden contents Quote rpacetoday wrote: :/ dunno about this.....I hate change and I really hate change when it involves a basic function on a site I loveedit: guess my chatting days are over....do not like this at all....really sad.........guess Nexus is just a dl site for me now......no more community like it was Quote BlindJudge wrote: Really sorry to hear that, though I actually feel this is a huge benefit to the community. I have been on the chat and text all day today and got to meet a lot of people.There seems to be a good rapport going on between people and we have 170 people online at the moment compared to between 20=30 on chat.I would like to know your reasonings for not liking it though, so please feel free to message me or reply to this.RegardsPaul Quote rpacetoday wrote: I do not like giving all my data to a 3rd site just to chat on Nexus.....i do not need voice and suchedit....I am old school and am not up on giving all my life history to an external site jut to chat. All I want to do is swap a few text messages with a few others once in a while without sacrificing my privacy......sounds reasonable enough Quote matortheeternal wrote: You can still use the private message system of the Nexus for communicating with other users. And then there's email and managing your own private chat room. The Nexus is not obligated to provide any chat room at all.You can read Discord's Privacy Policy here: https://discordapp.com/privacyIn my cursory overview there's nothing egregiously bad in there. To my untrained legal eye it appears they are not selling your information to third parties.Saying you're giving your life history to them just to chat is definitely hyperbole. That might be true with a service like Facebook, but Discord only requires a username, email address, and a password to sign up. Quote rpacetoday wrote: yeah, limit us to worse ways of communication and say it is lovely, when all we want is the old chat. :/edit: I do not want discord, I just want to chat in the old fashioned way.......something I donated money to support. Now I am being forced to sign away more personal info to yet another company like Microsoft or Apple or Google. Not right.Your "personal information" at this point could be a sideline email address, a password just for this chat and a username.Doesn't require anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thallassa Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 (edited) In response to post #41554410. #41555155, #41555405, #41556010, #41556150, #41560285 are all replies on the same post. Reveal hidden contents Quote rpacetoday wrote: :/ dunno about this.....I hate change and I really hate change when it involves a basic function on a site I loveedit: guess my chatting days are over....do not like this at all....really sad.........guess Nexus is just a dl site for me now......no more community like it was Quote BlindJudge wrote: Really sorry to hear that, though I actually feel this is a huge benefit to the community. I have been on the chat and text all day today and got to meet a lot of people.There seems to be a good rapport going on between people and we have 170 people online at the moment compared to between 20=30 on chat.I would like to know your reasonings for not liking it though, so please feel free to message me or reply to this.RegardsPaul Quote rpacetoday wrote: I do not like giving all my data to a 3rd site just to chat on Nexus.....i do not need voice and suchedit....I am old school and am not up on giving all my life history to an external site jut to chat. All I want to do is swap a few text messages with a few others once in a while without sacrificing my privacy......sounds reasonable enough Quote matortheeternal wrote: You can still use the private message system of the Nexus for communicating with other users. And then there's email and managing your own private chat room. The Nexus is not obligated to provide any chat room at all.You can read Discord's Privacy Policy here: https://discordapp.com/privacyIn my cursory overview there's nothing egregiously bad in there. To my untrained legal eye it appears they are not selling your information to third parties.Saying you're giving your life history to them just to chat is definitely hyperbole. That might be true with a service like Facebook, but Discord only requires a username, email address, and a password to sign up. Quote rpacetoday wrote: yeah, limit us to worse ways of communication and say it is lovely, when all we want is the old chat. :/edit: I do not want discord, I just want to chat in the old fashioned way.......something I donated money to support. Now I am being forced to sign away more personal info to yet another company like Microsoft or Apple or Google. Not right. Quote The Vampire Dante wrote: Your "personal information" at this point could be a sideline email address, a password just for this chat and a username.Doesn't require anything else.rpace, did you ever actually use the chat here on nexus? I've never ever seen you there. Nor do any of the regulars remember you... Seems kind of odd to complain about something disappearing that you didn't use. And there is absolutely no personal information associated with discord. Edited August 18, 2016 by Thallassa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VDracul Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 In response to post #41548250. #41549805, #41554765, #41555265, #41555345, #41555580, #41555720, #41555905, #41556075, #41556295, #41559270 are all replies on the same post. Reveal hidden contents Quote AddictedBloo wrote: I have some concerns regarding the new chat and the (maybe) potential abuse of it. So I wanted to ask if it will ever be integrated with the forums (if possible) where we don't need to create an account with discord. The other issue is the file sharing aspect, I have done some reading up on it and heard from some friends, now I'm not saying it is nor isn't possible but I worry that there could be some malicious abuse with it for something as public as Nexus. I don't know for certain if malicious code can be implemented but it's my main concern. Do you plan on turning file sharing off? That's pretty much it for now. Thanks. Quote NeoNord wrote: As history has shown multiple times, if there is a way to abuse something, people will find it and abuse it endlessly. I went through this with one MMO and do not plan to deal with it again. An inherently bad idea but Nexus has already stated in a "news" release they want to get more involved in social media. Probably a good time to start looking for alternatives to Nexus. Your point is well taken but I doubt anyone at Nexus will heed it. I hope the community reads your post before they make a decision. Quote rpacetoday wrote: yeah i do not want a discord account either and considering I have already paid Nexus for usage, I do not feel that I should have to sign up for oneI feel violated somehowand cheated Quote BlindJudge wrote: We are going to be monitoring the chat and voice closely to begin with. We want communication to be free flowing but will obviously ban anyone who shares anything malicious, pornographic etc. These first couple of weeks are going to be a learning curve and we are looking at 'bots' that can help with moderation etc.We'll keep you informed. Quote rpacetoday wrote: but yet we are being forced to sign up with a service and share more of our personal data. I do not find this right. Quote rpacetoday wrote: oh and monitoring voice chat is just censorship in the extreme.....I do think you will bump heads with freedom of speech issues. It is one thing when it is posted on a web chat, but when it is in spoken chat, you really run the risk of going afoul with the law Quote matortheeternal wrote: rpacetoday: I think you must be misunderstanding something fundamental about this change. You are neither obligated nor required to join or participate in the Nexus Discord Chat. Your membership and continued usage of Nexus Mods is in no way impacted by whether or not you participate in the Discord Chat.Discord is a well known service used by thousands of gamers and is very trustworthy in my opinion. You're free to have any opinion you want on the service, of course. You are not being violated or cheated - there are no repercussions for not participating in the new Discord chat. Quote rpacetoday wrote: well I do feel cheated because there will be no chat as it used to be and I will be forced to sign up for an external service just to chat.....so while it may be a well known service, I think it should be an additional service to the chat already existing. As far as the trustworthiness is concerned, when Nexus says they will be monitoring the spoken chat to punish people they disagree with, that, at least to me, seems to be going too far. Discord should be an option, not an obligation. Quote matortheeternal wrote: Discord is an option, not an obligation. The Nexus is not obligated to provide a chatroom as a part of their forum functionality. You are free to set up your own chat server/service for people to use to communicate with you. You are also of course free to continue using the private messaging functionality of the forums to communicate with specific individuals. There's also email, steam (assuming you own a steam game, you have access to steam chat), and many other options out there. Quote rpacetoday wrote: okay, they have had a chatroom for as long as I can remember.....they may not be obligated to have one, but to give up a good one in favor of another info grabbing company, is wrong. I have enjoyed coming to chat periodically for some time now, meeting up with the Bloos and the Tacos of this world, but I guess that will all change now and you say, somehow, that I am wrong to be against it........grrrrrrrr.Edit.....and yes, discord SHOULD be an option and not an obligation, but that is not the case. Quote Jalond wrote: This is the internet. You have no freedom of speech on someone's domain or their chat room. Do not confuse Discord with public domain.@rpacetoday. Assuming you are in the US, the constitution protect our freedom of speech from the government, so they can't throw us in jail just for expressing our opinion on something. It does not protect us from a private organization telling us to leave the room if they think we are crossing the line. Most chats I've been in kick people for really obnoxious things like sexually explicit language, encouraging others to do something illegal or hate speech. Another thing is that online, we are interacting with people from all over the world, and freedom of speech laws are different in different countries, so which one to apply would be a tricky business.And... you've been told repeatedly that you do NOT have to get into Discord if you don't care for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VDracul Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 In response to post #41554410. #41555155, #41555405, #41556010, #41556150, #41560285, #41560470 are all replies on the same post. Reveal hidden contents Quote rpacetoday wrote: :/ dunno about this.....I hate change and I really hate change when it involves a basic function on a site I loveedit: guess my chatting days are over....do not like this at all....really sad.........guess Nexus is just a dl site for me now......no more community like it was Quote BlindJudge wrote: Really sorry to hear that, though I actually feel this is a huge benefit to the community. I have been on the chat and text all day today and got to meet a lot of people.There seems to be a good rapport going on between people and we have 170 people online at the moment compared to between 20=30 on chat.I would like to know your reasonings for not liking it though, so please feel free to message me or reply to this.RegardsPaul Quote rpacetoday wrote: I do not like giving all my data to a 3rd site just to chat on Nexus.....i do not need voice and suchedit....I am old school and am not up on giving all my life history to an external site jut to chat. All I want to do is swap a few text messages with a few others once in a while without sacrificing my privacy......sounds reasonable enough Quote matortheeternal wrote: You can still use the private message system of the Nexus for communicating with other users. And then there's email and managing your own private chat room. The Nexus is not obligated to provide any chat room at all.You can read Discord's Privacy Policy here: https://discordapp.com/privacyIn my cursory overview there's nothing egregiously bad in there. To my untrained legal eye it appears they are not selling your information to third parties.Saying you're giving your life history to them just to chat is definitely hyperbole. That might be true with a service like Facebook, but Discord only requires a username, email address, and a password to sign up. Quote rpacetoday wrote: yeah, limit us to worse ways of communication and say it is lovely, when all we want is the old chat. :/edit: I do not want discord, I just want to chat in the old fashioned way.......something I donated money to support. Now I am being forced to sign away more personal info to yet another company like Microsoft or Apple or Google. Not right. Quote The Vampire Dante wrote: Your "personal information" at this point could be a sideline email address, a password just for this chat and a username.Doesn't require anything else. Quote Thallassa wrote: rpace, did you ever actually use the chat here on nexus? I've never ever seen you there. Nor do any of the regulars remember you... Seems kind of odd to complain about something disappearing that you didn't use. And there is absolutely no personal information associated with discord. Two things are 100% certain to happen in life: death and change, lots and lots of changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thandal Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 On 8/18/2016 at 8:58 PM, rpacetoday said: Edit.....and yes, discord SHOULD be an option and not an obligation, but that is not the case. Seems like you just can't/won't/don't bother to read.Here is part of what you see when you click the "Chat" button on the Nexus: Quote To access our old, boring, text-only chat room, please click "I Agree" at the bottom of this page. =========================================== Then there's your totally incorrect rant about "being forced": On 8/18/2016 at 8:53 PM, rpacetoday said: ...edit: I do not want discord, I just want to chat in the old fashioned way.......something I donated money to support. Now I am being forced to sign away more personal info to yet another company like Microsoft or Apple or Google. No, you are not "being forced" to do anything at all. NOTHING prevents you from using chat "in the old fashioned way". You seem to be whinging that OTHER people will be able to use an option you don't want. Ermmmm... The Number One rule on the Nexus is: "Don't like it? Don't use it." :armscrossed: It's hard to take someone seriously when the points and objections they raise are demonstrably false. (Kinda' like a certain major party candidate for U.S. President... :whistling: ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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