Standardized list of mods that should only be loaded AFTER leaving Vault 111/after certain point in the game?

[Antediluvia502]

(IF THIS POST BELONGS IN MOD TROUBLESHOOTING FEEL FREE TO MOVE IT. I WAS NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHICH SUB-FORUM WAS A GOOD FIT)

Hey guys. Over time of playing Fallout 4 mods since December I have occasionally had to start a new game over. I've noted that starting without changing your mod order can lead to some issues with the main quests/scripting/NPC interaction. I remember myself I had to at least reach Diamond City for the first time before being (reasonably) safe enough to load all my mods.

However, do the myriad updates of mods and Fallout 4 itself I'm not sure if this is an issue anymore, however I find myself having to restart due to corrupted saves (and just wanting to make a new character anyway).

So I was wondering if any of the more knowledge out there among you could pick out any of the mods in my mod order that might cause a problem?

I was also thinking (hence the title of the thread) of creating a standard list of mods that could cause vanilla quest/npc problems as sort of a warning, or maybe just so others with greater knowledge of the creation kit to make patches so that said mods only activate after certain events/meetings/values have been filled/passed?

Anyhow, here's my load order:

0 0 Fallout4.esm

1 1 DLCRobot.esm

2 2 DLCworkshop01.esm

3 3 DLCCoast.esm

4 4 DLCworkshop02.esm

5 5 DLCworkshop03.esm

6 6 Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp

7 7 Arbitration - Resources.esm

8 8 ArmorKeywords.esm

9 9 Loads.esm

10 a Robot Home Defence.esm

11 b vault75fix.esp

12 c ShipwreckIsle.esp

13 d Glowing Animals Emit Light.esp

14 e Loads of Ammo - Leveled Lists.esp

15 f Arbitration - Button Lowered Weapons.esp

16 10 Armorsmith Extended.esp

17 11 Armorsmith Far Harbor.esp

18 12 robotDLC_weave.esp

19 13 ValdacilsItemSorting-00-ValsPicks-DLCVersion.esp

20 14 BetterAutomatronWeapons.esp

21 15 Legendary Robot Armour.esp

22 16 Automatron Helmets Fix.esp

23 17 autoweapons.esp

24 18 Automatron Protectrons Expanded.esp

25 19 Mechanist.esp

26 1a BMRM.esp

27 1b LegendaryModification.esp

28 1c LegendaryModificationMisc.esp

29 1d LegendaryModificationCSA.esp

30 1e LegendaryModificationGroknak.esp

31 1f Crafting Workbench.esp

32 20 Crafting Workbenches - Automatron DLC.esp

33 21 Crafting Workbenches - Faction and Quest Requirements.esp

34 22 Gojira.esp

35 23 Cold Fusion Generator.esp

36 24 Killable Children - Far Harbor.esp

37 25 Lots More Facial Hair.esp

38 26 AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp

39 27 LoreFix01.esp

40 28 LegendaryModification2LM.esp

41 29 ModdableBuddy.esp

42 2a ModdableGreygarden.esp

43 2b Guards.esp

44 2c Insignificant Object Remover.esp

45 2d DD_Chronophage_Explore_Endless_Possibilitys.esp

46 2e Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp

47 2f rings1.02.esp

48 30 BossChestsHaveLegendaries.esp

49 31 Enclave Blood Angels.esp

50 32 Randomized DC Guard Outfits.esp

51 33 ImprovedNuke.esp

52 34 ClearWater.esp

53 35 Cryolator.esp

54 36 Better Explosives - Far Harbor.esp

55 37 Better Explosives - Normal.esp

56 38 FatManRadiation.esp

57 39 Better Explosives - Enhanced Grenades.esp

58 3a Better Explosives - Grenade Frequency 15.esp

59 3b JetWeaponCol.esp

60 3c UsefulRippers.esp

61 3d Throwing Knife.esp

62 3e 3DNPC_FO4.esp

63 3f BTInteriors_Project.esp

64 40 Oven Sesame.esp

65 41 NAC.esp

66 42 Raider Children.esp

67 43 TheFishermansGambit.esp

68 44 MojaveImports.esp

69 45 GoneFeral.esp

70 46 MODspider.esp

71 47 Firelance2.5.esp

72 48 SuperMutantOverhaul.esp

73 49 hamilton's_death_division.esp

74 4a RaiderOverhaul.esp

75 4b WZWildWasteland.esp

76 4c Wasteland Arsenal.esp

77 4d MikeMooresMCAM.esp

78 4e MoreWeaponsBoS.esp

79 4f BoSGaussRifle.esp

80 50 PlaneWreck.esp

81 51 UniqueUniques.esp

82 52 ExoticEnemies.esp

83 53 GrenadeExpansionPack.esp

84 54 RansackedRelay.esp

85 55 PartyIsland2.esp

86 56 CROSS_PlasRail.esp

87 57 NAC-FarHarbor.esp

88 58 Killable Children.esp

89 59 improvedbos.esp

90 5a FeralGhoulMeat.esp

91 5b MRE_Box.esp

92 5c Skibs223Pistol-AWKCR.esp

93 5d Crossbow.esp

94 5e FarHarborAmmo_Commonwealth.esp

95 5f Synth Overhaul.esp

96 60 RailroadPerksCut.esp

97 61 WiredReflexes.esp

98 62 AWKCRPatch-UFO4P.esp

99 63 PlagueDoctor.esp

100 64 BioshockInspiredPowerArmor.esp

101 65 standaloneconstruct.esp

102 66 stumbleuponinteriors.esp

103 67 M2045MagnumRevolverRifle.esp

104 68 LagrieMasksofApoc.esp

105 69 Extended weapon mods.esp

106 6a Jet Collection Leveled Lists.esp

107 6b Shishkebab3xDMG.esp

108 6c ZetaImpetus.esp

109 6d alexHeroRifle.esp

110 6e _00Stingray.esp

111 6f ClassicSniper.esp

112 70 EpilogueRestored.esp

113 71 FO4 NPCs Travel.esp

114 72 OWR_GOP.esp

115 73 TOSPhaser.esp

116 74 mergedpatch.esp

I have recently uninstalled, reinstalled, updated, and cleaned all mods posted (as well as created a merged patch after all is said and done thanks to F04edit).

Feel free to yell at me for know knowing the state of things, but that's why this forum is here no?

[chucksteel]

In most cases it's best to NOT install mods until the intro/Tutorial is finished. They are heavily scripted so there is a lot going on by default.

 

That being said Beantown already checks to see if you have gotten the Pip-Boy or exited Vault 111 before it adds the Setting Holotape to the players inventory other then that it really isn't doing much during the intro.

[Antediluvia502]

In most cases it's best to NOT install mods until the intro/Tutorial is finished. They are heavily scripted so there is a lot going on by default.

 

That being said Beantown already checks to see if you have gotten the Pip-Boy or exited Vault 111 before it adds the Setting Holotape to the players inventory other then that it really isn't doing much during the intro.

Thanks for the reply. Would this include Hair/race mods and the UFO4P as well?

[chucksteel]

I would error on the side of caution myself. You could add the hair/race mods as soon as you get the Pip-Boy and open the vault door. It should be safe then and you can change that stuff before using the elevator.

 

I would assume that UFO4P would be ok to have installed but I'm not sure. It may not even fix anything in the intro/tutorial so if it doesn't they it could also be activated once you leave the vault.

 

I would ask over on the UFO4P threads.

[spacefiddle]

Enumerating a list of "don't load these before exit" mods would be infinite and ever-growing, and impossible to maintain. As a general rule, anything that adds stuff to your inventory needs to be avoided, as you do not have one before putting on the Pip-Boy.

 

Like folks above have said: it's better to do it the other way. Don't load any mods before exit unless it specifically says in the docs or description that it's safe to do so. If a mod is "aware" of the beginning, some can delay adding stuff to your inv until you get the Pip-Boy (True Storms does this with its settings and control holotapes); others start their quest by having their object out in the world, like the Journal of the Sole Survivor mod which has its tape in Sanctuary.

 

Just assume nothing is safe unless it clearly states that it is ;).

[Antediluvia502]

Enumerating a list of "don't load these before exit" mods would be infinite and ever-growing, and impossible to maintain. As a general rule, anything that adds stuff to your inventory needs to be avoided, as you do not have one before putting on the Pip-Boy.

 

Like folks above have said: it's better to do it the other way. Don't load any mods before exit unless it specifically says in the docs or description that it's safe to do so. If a mod is "aware" of the beginning, some can delay adding stuff to your inv until you get the Pip-Boy (True Storms does this with its settings and control holotapes); others start their quest by having their object out in the world, like the Journal of the Sole Survivor mod which has its tape in Sanctuary.

 

Just assume nothing is safe unless it clearly states that it is :wink:.

Fair enough and simple enough. Thank you!

[spacefiddle]

No problem, hope it helps :)

[TummaSuklaa]

In all of their games, the beginning contains the heaviest amount of scripting and stuff that is not going to be used for the rest of the game.

 

In short.. they go all out for the beginning. So unless you have alt start mods, or things that don't touch the player character in any way, it's not smart to load mods before starting the game.

[ClayboTGW]

The only mods I will run when starting a new character is the character mods like CBBE, Hair Mods and looksmenu then after leaving Vault 111 I go full bore load order. I even have two plugin.ini files which I keep stored in backup folders one folder I called newgame the other folder I call currentfullymodded so when I start a new game I drop the newgame load order in and overwrite then when I get out of 111 I drop the fully modded list one back in and overwrite this makes it a lot quicker seeing as I never have or never will use any mod management system I do it all by notepad (Old School)

Edited August 25, 2016 by ClayboTGW

[bill8872]

Of my 210 mods, I have found only 3 I do need to have inactive before the start. They add holotapes to the inventory when installed, and the way the game is scripted at the beginning, they all get removed as soon as I pick up the pipboy.

 

I have found that most weapon, and armor mods seem to be fine, but anything that can drastically overhaul the game play, might be best not to activate at the start.

 

Mostly it seems a trial, and error to see what you can and can not load at the start.