All those "little girl" characters...

[skyquest32]

I always find it interesting that people that see anime as sexual try to accuse others of being perverts.

 

Contrary to the commonly held beliefs of millennials, no one else is responsible for your misinterpretations, assumptions, or being offended by anything that was not your business to begin with.

 

Troll on, dude. Just realize, you're the sick one.

I said no such thing. I was just being amusing and trying to at the same time, explain the inspiration for the follower mods. I don't accuse anyone of anything whatsoever.

[ZurinArctus85]

 

I always find it interesting that people that see anime as sexual try to accuse others of being perverts.

 

Contrary to the commonly held beliefs of millennials, no one else is responsible for your misinterpretations, assumptions, or being offended by anything that was not your business to begin with.

 

Troll on, dude. Just realize, you're the sick one.

I said no such thing. I was just being amusing and trying to at the same time, explain the inspiration for the follower mods. I don't accuse anyone of anything whatsoever.

 

If I choose a side, I have to go against plausible deniability. Yes, these mods do have legitimate uses, but the majority of use is that of possible ethical concern, and there is no denying it. You can see it in the screenshots, other sites (tumblr, reddit, e621, etc). Opinions are like a$$holes...everyone has them and 50% of the time they stink. The only reason I can see a mod being at fault for being overly sexual is if someone took action against another human being because a mod allowed them to think that sort of thing was okay, and in a sense that is not even a legitimate excuse. People sue music artists after their kids commit some horrible act or another because their kid listens(ed) to that artists music. Linkin Park was sued for a school shooting and suicide. Eminem was sued for armed robberies. Do these things have any legitimate claim? My stinky opinion is yes. It's sad that people are allowed to think that sexualised under aged females (and even males) is even a thing. However, there is something in America called the Romeo and Juliet laws. Basically they prevent accusations and people from being charged with statutory rape within a certain time gap (i think 2 years). This has become part of American culture. And as culture is wont to do, it spreads. Other people with similar moral codes tend to adopt some if not all the views of others. Then there are the cultures in which things like this are not okay. In some Christian communities, sexual intercourse is not allowed until after marriage. As long as emotion exists there will always be a conflict of interests between cultures.

[twiztedmongoloid]

who cares?

 

People making what you consider underage girls in game offends you?

 

does killing children in the game give you the same ethical concerns?

[Novem99]

does killing children in the game give you the same ethical concerns?

 

Of course.

[WesSeH]

I always find it interesting that people that see anime as sexual try to accuse others of being perverts.

 

Contrary to the commonly held beliefs of millennials, no one else is responsible for your misinterpretations, assumptions, or being offended by anything that was not your business to begin with.

 

Troll on, dude. Just realize, you're the sick one.

That's nice, but OP didn't ask about anime, but rather the aspect of 'loli' mods contained here or elsewhere. You can argue the legitimacy of them or even claim to be Chinese and you were yearning for a younger sister as yours was killed, but they kept you. However the geographical location that started this craze and you notice it from the faces is Japan. By that I mean the face is nearly always similar in looks. A sweet young innocent waifu.

 

No one is empirically or falsely stating that all anime lovers are into hentai or other similar subjects and art styles in a sexual category. However I know there is a great chance that those two things overlap for a great many anime lovers. If you aren't of that category that shares all interests in it and instead defending the parts you do like and dismissing the parts you don't like. One could argue, why do you care about defending the entirety of it? Why not move along. However for those with a reasonable dispensation to discuss or argue might realize you can view things in other categories besides black and white. You can be for anime and even hentai and still find the topical misuse of the art form to be offensive, disturbing and wrong. Unless of coarse you are intent on defending that too.

 

Off topic, but to support my point, I will start off by saying that I dislike 4chan, yet there is always a thread going on there with indecent images of young anime characters on that board, maybe it's when mods are offline? I used to know a group of people who were ethical hackers and they used to go after these chan sites a lot for content that was posted and hold them accountable. This was long before anonymous was even formed. Yet 4chan changed their ways of hosting it all the time in its own category and yet these threads only pop up occasionally, so they still exist.

It confused me when 4chan became widely popular knowing this group that used to go after websites and send them to authorities as much as possible and 4chan was often their target. The parallel here is that, yes I do know and I am aware that most people don't go to 4chan for that and avoid it and try to get mods to shut down these threads. I wouldn't begin accusing everyone as that site is very diverse and has produced good things too, such as memes.

However the mods in question for skyrim by the op may have in some cases plausible deniability, but I am not blind to the intent or what users are doing with the mods. It's not a mystery to me. If there is a market for something, someone will come along and produce content for it. Which is why such mods and images and videos exist.

 

A little more off topic, but somewhat relevant. I once tried a game called Tera after it went free to play, because a friend wanted me to join him on it. I began leveling with him on his role playing server. I brought up the obvious question about elin's and I kept receiving the same answer. It's cultural differences that I wouldn't understand and that they were 100 years old according to the games lore. I am clearly blind to that they look like a prepubescent girl. I get to town during the leveling and I see a group of elin's standing around the city showing off their sexy and very skimpy outfits to each other. I can't prove it, but I know they are grown men behind their screens and I witness them discussing how cute and sexy their outfits they are showing off are while dancing and role playing with their waifu's. I logged out and never played again.

[skyquest32]

Look jokes asides i don't really care what creation kit made thing people want to play in a solo game, i don't think it really effects anything real except the persons choice of art concerning that branch of philosophy.

 

I always thought anime, like blood+ clamp anime, xxaholic, ninja scroll and many more was very beautiful, even conventional anime like yuyu hakusho and deathnote is fun. I also like the styles of fantasy artist that illustrated alot of the sword and sorcery material, I am a avid reader of novels, a major lovecraft fan.

 

I would consider it fine and even amusing for my characters to marry t a innsmouth woman, if nothing else the child made would have strong battle genetics in a land where many people without mods go around with scares on there faces and sans one eye.

 

In my opinion the world irl is too screwed up with what people do to each other in the news for me to really care about this topic or take it seriously beyond a art debate. people fantasy games like skyrim, point and click adventures like kingsquest series and its contemporaries, as an escape and to enjoy as interactive art.

 

The truth is in the scheme of things it matters about as much debating the price of a single apple 40 years ago in a third world country on a odd day of the week. People just like drama and debate and getting up to fckry over things that don't matter are not real, or some confusion....maybe just because...or maybe its taking things out of context, or believing to much in a thing to give people credit.

 

In all Honesty I just bothered to reply so that it would be understand that my jokes were simply meant to put this in perspective, and that I am not intending to come across as some nit picking idiot.

[lordkoz]

Edited August 28, 2016 by lordkoz

[ElioraArin]

I recently read a thread posted by someone who is disabled stating that Skyrim is as close to reincarnation as you can get!

Seeing this post after reading that one made me wonder how many people past retirement age enjoy games like this because on some level they can be a strong healthy youth again? :D

I think the OP wanted to hear different opinions on the young female follower mods, so I feel that it is worth remembering that people probably generally play RPGs to live "another life" in one way or another. For example it doesn't seem dodgy to me that a 65yr old man might have a 16yr old female follower in his game if he is roleplaying as an 18yr old while innocently imagining being young again in another life. It's no different than someone who is physically incapacitated by illness or a handicap roleplaying as someone who is perfectly healthy; a teenager roleplaying as an older more experienced adult; or a beautiful young woman roleplaying as a rough as guts Orc who isn't defined by her looks - the possibilities are almost endless!

One of the things that makes RPGs so fantastic is that they allow us to escape into a fantasy that allows us to be whoever we want to be, or even who we wouldn't want to be but might find it fun to experience considering it is just a game ... ! :D

Edited August 28, 2016 by ElioraArin

[WesSeH]

I recently read a thread posted by someone who is disabled stating that Skyrim is as close to reincarnation as you can get!

Seeing this post after reading that one made me wonder how many people past retirement age enjoy games like this because on some level they can be a strong healthy youth again? :D

I think the OP wanted to hear different opinions on the young female follower mods, so I feel that it is worth remembering that people probably generally play RPGs to live "another life" in one way or another. For example it doesn't seem dodgy to me that a 65yr old man might have a 16yr old female follower in his game if he is roleplaying as an 18yr old while innocently imagining being young again in another life. It's no different than someone who is physically incapacitated by illness or a handicap roleplaying as someone who is perfectly healthy; a teenager roleplaying as an older more experienced adult; or a beautiful young woman roleplaying as a rough as guts Orc who isn't defined by her looks - the possibilities are almost endless!

One of the things that makes RPGs so fantastic is that they allow us to escape into a fantasy that allows us to be whoever we want to be, or even who we wouldn't want to be but might find it fun to experience considering it is just a game ... ! :D

I don't know what to make of skyquest32's ramblings. Also note, I am not judging him for his grammar, I can read through that fine. However you spoke clearly and tried to imagine a plausible deniability scenario and tried to make sense of it. So I will reply to you.

 

You are right, anyone can use skyrim as escapism and it is what keeps the game strong and exciting to mod makers and gamer's alike. It is even quite a nice sentiment that elderly or disabled people can relive youth through or live an almost reborn life in a way they could experience new things in such means like a role playing scenario. It's great people can experience that level of impact from a game and it can make them happy.

 

Your take on the situation sounds reasonable and fine on the outside, but it is an imagined scenario of whats going on and even if it does apply to a few individuals, it doesn't account for the rest of it. It in fact ignores what the OP was asking about. It's child like mods, not teenage nearly adult mods. If it were that of 16yo+ mods, I don't think this topic would exist. Even then that is a topic for it's own discussion on the rationale of an old man wanting a 16yo girlfriend. I don't think someone would mistake or go for a prepubescent or early puberty teenage girl for a 16yo girlfriend. That's on par with the game tera, if you say they are 100, then it's clearly ok and society are the sick individuals who don't understand? Now I know I don't watch anime or understand most of its appeal. It all just disinterests me. What confounds me is how the underage waifu's must be defended and pretend like nothings going on. Loverslab has strict rules against the stuff from what I understand. I must admit I was unaware of most of these mods as I never really bothered going into the section for additional npc's or whatever other category, I just only informed by other members who watched for new mods of all types more than me. So it just seems to me that hiding a mod in plain site with no abject content seems to be the way to get around the system. I feel I will never understand it, but I guess underaged waifu's must be defended.

[ElioraArin]

Perhaps I'm not particularly familiar with the type of mods being referred to? I only know that when I was looking for a follower to be my Dragonborns younger sister I came across a lot of hate in the posts of the mods that I looked at. I am not defending mods that do, or even may cross a line, but I do want to acknowledge that not everyone who wants a female child or teen in their game has a negative reason for it. I remember seeing one man defending himself, stating that he loves being a husband & father so much that he also enjoys his Dragonborn having a family to provide for. Frankly I believed him, & found it sad that he had to explain himself, just as it was sad that I was hesitant to post my own question because of what was being implied about people using the mod - it is truly awful when there is so much unacceptable behaviour in the world that people struggle to accept that innocence & beauty still exist as well!

I don't know anything about making followers so I'm just guessing here, but maybe some modders who are making these children are sizing down adult characters because although they have the ability to make extremely beautiful adult NPCs they don't have the knowledge or resources to do this with an actual child? I got the impression that this may have been the case with a couple I looked at anyway, although I could definitely be wrong.