The Fallout Series and the Elder Scrolls

[Moksha8088]

The theory I am fascinated with is that the worlds of Fallout and the Elder Scrolls are the same but separated by a great passage of time. The Elder Scrolls is set far into Earth's future when the atomic radiation from Fallout has lead to the creation of the Aedra and Daedra, as well as the Beast and Mer races. It is so far into the future that continental drift has altered the surface world into the continents of Nirn (of which the Elder Scroll action so far has been set on the continent of Tamriel). So far into the future that no memory remains of the horrible past except for the continuance of war. War never changes.

Developing technology leads to inevitable destruction, whether through the atomic bombs in the Great War of 2077 or the foolish attempt to harness the Heart of Lorkhan.

 

 

What kind of game theories do you harbor?

[JimboUK]

Nirn isn't Earth, it has two moons and the constellations are completely different. As a theory there is nothing at all in either game suggesting a link, why would there be? they're different franchises created by different studios, it's like suggesting a link between Deus Ex and Dragon Age.

[mkborgelt13]

No offense intended, but I think that theory is Bogus. Elder Scrolls and Fallout are two entirely different universes/franchises. Remember that Bethesda only acquired the rights to Fallout IP recently, it was formerly owned by predecessors of Obsidian.

 

If you want to delve into this stuff more, read Michael Kirkbride's ramblings, in all of their forms (TES books and newer articles). The forces behind world of TES are interesting, "tones of light and sound," something like that. Has nothing to do with atomic radiation whatsoever, is a different, *magical* variety of radiation.

 

Edit Figured I'd contribute to the theory department.

 

This is not my theories, but I find them interesting so I am restating.

 

>All of Elder Scrolls protagonists are kind of the same person, have the same soul, but different vessels. This is called Shezarine. They are somewhat immune to the timeline: Dragon Break, etc, etc. There is a prophecy which precedes the protagonist, these prophecies are transcribed upon the Scrolls. This is directly supported in Skyrim when that ghost mistakenly calls you Hjalti which was a name of Tiber Septim, who also used the same "soul" as the PC. Remember that souls in this universe are measurable, transportable quantites of energy, which can be stored by refracting them inside of a crystal.

 

>Is Vivec, last of the Tribunal. still alive? Some of the creatures on Solstheim after the Red Mtn disaster lead me to believe the Heart is still intact, in some small way, and if so it is possible Vivec is still able to derive sustainance from it. But where did he go? Chim'ing out is not a satisfying answer.

 

TES lore is richly textured and does interesting things with 4th wall (e.g. the Scrolls themselves being varying versions of what is considered canon).

Edited August 29, 2016 by mkborgelt13

[Moksha8088]

Nirn isn't Earth, it has two moons and the constellations are completely different.

Constellations shift a lot in a billion years. One of Jupiter's moons perhaps wandered off and felt an attachment to Nirn. Both of these creations share an overarching link to Todd Howard, who could have been preserved in a cryostasis unit aboard a Mothership and energized by enough cosmic rays and an attenuated strain of FEV virus that he returned after 950 million years and set up a terraforming unit code named Bethesda II. Things went according to plan until the modding division found they could improve things by adding in Nirn-like features.

Edited August 31, 2016 by Moksha8088

[tartarsauce2]

the theory is garbage, the youtube video bringing up all this lampoon'd itself pointing out how it was bogus and the cartoon character doing it getting shot by the fanboi with the theory :tongue:

a better theory is that I could be matt daemon and I'm here to save the world Edited August 31, 2016 by tartarsauce2

[zrovektor]

 

Nirn isn't Earth, it has two moons and the constellations are completely different.

Constellations shift a lot in a billion years. One of Jupiter's moons perhaps wandered off and felt an attachment to Nirn. Both of these creations share an overarching link to Todd Howard, who could have been preserved in a cryostasis unit aboard a Mothership and energized by enough cosmic rays and an attenuated strain of FEV virus that he returned after 950 million years and set up a terraforming unit code named Bethesda II. Things went according to plan until the modding division found they could improve things by adding in Nirn-like features.

 

In a few billion years, the sun will become a red giant so large that it will engulf our planet. But the Earth will become uninhabitable much sooner than that. After about a billion years the sun will become hot enough to boil our oceans.

 

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-02-sun-wont-die-billion-years.html#jCp

 

I got your billion years right there.

Edited August 31, 2016 by zrovektor

[JimboUK]

 

Nirn isn't Earth, it has two moons and the constellations are completely different.

Constellations shift a lot in a billion years. One of Jupiter's moons perhaps wandered off and felt an attachment to Nirn. Both of these creations share an overarching link to Todd Howard, who could have been preserved in a cryostasis unit aboard a Mothership and energized by enough cosmic rays and an attenuated strain of FEV virus that he returned after 950 million years and set up a terraforming unit code named Bethesda II. Things went according to plan until the modding division found they could improve things by adding in Nirn-like features.

 

 

So the Elder scrolls was designed to be Fallout in the future despite the first Elder Scrolls coming out three or four years before the first Fallout game, a Fallout game by Interplay, a company Todd Howard has never had anything to do with? maybe Todd Howard used a time machine? oh wait, time travel, they've had that in Star Trek..... J.J. Abrams is linked to Star Trek and also to Star Wars, oh my God, Kirk is Jar Jar Binks.

[Moksha8088]

So the Elder scrolls was designed to be Fallout in the future despite the first Elder Scrolls coming out three or four years before the first Fallout game, a Fallout game by Interplay, a company Todd Howard has never had anything to do with? maybe Todd Howard used a time machine? oh wait, time travel, they've had that in Star Trek..... J.J. Abrams is linked to Star Trek and also to Star Wars, oh my God, Kirk is Jar Jar Binks.

 

Add a dash of imagination and fictional lore can be added to and blended. No doubt Todd Howard has amassed many unusual powers and time travel may be one of them. How could one be around such dynamic nifscoping without a spark from those scopes triggering a cavalcade of physiological changes, from glowing eyes to barking at the full moon? We would need to read the introductory issue of Todd Howard from the joint Bethesda/ Marvel project to fully understand all of this.

[Moksha8088]

I got your billion years right there.

 

Oh yeah? I will call your empiricism and raise you Joseph Campbell's Transformation of Myth over Time. Letting science impinge on video games is misunderstanding video games. I can imagine the first video game players at MIT having to swat skeptical bystanders with their sliderules when they doubted Zork was a real place or that a towel was truly necessary when hitchhiking in space.

Edited September 3, 2016 by Moksha8088

[TheSpaceShuttleChallenger]

So far out into the future that the very physics of the universe, which have remained constant for trillions of years, have altered and magic now exists? So far out into the future that species which were eradicated or mutated in the war and subsequent fallout have had time to re-evolve to be exactly how they were before the war, but not so far into the future that the human species has not evolved physically? So far out into the future that there's not even one tiny iota of evidence whatsoever to suggest that this is true?

 

If this were a theory, there would have to be at least a shred of hope that it might be true. What you actually have here is a fantasy. A complete and utter crackfantasy.

Edited September 3, 2016 by TheSpaceShuttleChallenger