Im Done.

[marharth]

Skyrim has a terrible UI.

 

Some people thinks so, but not everyone. What exactly is bad about it?

 

Skyrim has extremely short qeustlines.

Yet skyrim has a lot of quests. How many quests does it have compared to Oblivion and Morrowind?

 

Skyrim no longer has attributes.

Who cares? That doesn't make it worse for everyone, certainly not objectively worse. I think it's better off without them.

 

Skyrim has a lack of spells and has no spell crafting.

True, there are fewer spells. But then again all the core spells are there. Plus they spent time on producing a new spell system and some of that time went into shouts as well. I think that the spell system as a whole is much better, though I hope to see some additions to spells via mods. Good riddance to spell crafting. It didn't make the spell system better it made it infinitely worse.

 

Skyrim still has shitty combat AI.

No worse than any of the other Elder scrolls games.

 

Misc quests are repetitive and pointless.

More repetitive than the side quests in Oblivion and Morrowind? Yeah right.

 

I can keep going.

 

 

Please do, cause I have yet to see a person who has claimed that Skyrim is worse than other elderscrolls be able to back it up. Nothing you have stated here accomplishes that goal either.

Its the fifth game and they can't fix AI yet?

 

The removal of attributes means you have less things that can be done for potions, spells, and anything under active effects.

 

I posted a UI picture somewhere that explains the multiple issues. Picture is not mine. http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5679/skyriminterface.jpg

 

The repetitive quests are more repetitive due to the new questing system.

 

As for the short quest lines, quality over quantity. It is not hard to make 1000 quests that are "go to point a, get item, return to point b"

 

Sneak combat is over powered. Black smiting makes leveling easy. The merging of the upper and lower armors makes for less enchantments and customization. Dragons are a bit too common.

 

I can still keep going.

Edited December 1, 2011 by marharth

[Matth85]

Its the fifth game and they can't fix AI yet?

AI is a hard thing to get right. At least in a non-linear game where you decide yourself what to do. This is not some scripted Gears of War, where the collisions are limited.

 

The removal of attributes means you have less things that can be done for potions, spells, and anything under active effects

If you want to play numbers, go play an MMORPG. Then you can play with stat, caps and whatever else you want. This is an adventure, RP, exploring game. Not a min/max stat game.

 

I posted a UI picture somewhere that explains the multiple issues

The issue taken up is a guy who dislike a big 3d viewer. I love the UI, since I love seing how the models are made. Where are the seam, how are the shader working, etc, etc. The only problem is clicking makes me go out of the UI when shopping. But that is easily fixed.

 

The repetitive quests are more repetitive due to the new questing system.

... You mean the radiant quests? Optional quests? More repetive since you got more quests? ... what?

 

 

As for the short quest lines, quality over quantity

I found many quests superb, yet short. The mages guild? Had damn fun! Too bad it only lasted for so long. Main quest? woohoo!

 

Sneak combat is over powered

Don't use it, or take the 15x damage perk?

 

Black smiting makes leveling easy

Don't buy ingots or ores?

 

The merging of the upper and lower armors makes for less enchantments and customization

*gasp* Better armor got better quality? What?! You don't need custom enchanting. You can find the enchantements on gearpieces, if you actually explore some.

 

Dragons are a bit too common.

Don't turn OP, and they are quite tough. Now you got a pain in the ass every time you see a dragon!

 

I don't know, this seem like the standard: "I exploited crafting, got OP, the game is easy and i miss my nostalgia Morrowind!!" kind of topic.

 

Keep going.

[bpestilence]

Despite the problems Skyrim is still the best-looking Elder Scrolls game to date.

 

My only real complaint is that the game doesn't have stuff in it that were supposed to be in there... Like the non-existant radiant AI. Man, they really hyped up the fact that quests were to be tailored for the character playing, and that questgivers werten't to be fixed, but that never happened.

 

Personally I wish I would have bought it for PC instead of console.

 

So you haven't gotten any random quest from couriers, inn keepers, or the like? Even some companion's guild members send you to random places for some of their quests...

 

Yes, I get the random miscellaneous quests. I hope all the hype about radiant AI isn't simply to send thugs after me every day with a note from random character X that I stole a sweetroll from.

[HackerSlasher]

Seriously, the UI is an abomination!! It's clunky in the extreme, "consoley", time consuming to navigate, not exactly logical and in short for me a complete pain in the proverbial. Add to this the bugged and none working quests and the repetitiveness of some of the ones that do work and you might be thinking I was about to run this game down lol...

 

On the flip side there's simply too many good, nay great things about it for the above to make me throw it away this early on. I'm confident that the vast majority of the major bugs will be sorted out soon (it's only been out a week!) and that the modders will have their wicked way with it shortly too.

 

Personally speaking here, as is the way with many new releases these days, we are the beta testers and simply have to put up with the foibles and bugs until they're sorted out.

[Brittainy]

Might not entirely agree with how you put it, but I do agree with the general sentiment.

 

Skyrim was a waste of money and I'm sorry I bought it :facepalm:

 

And, despite people who can't handle negative opinions about the game, people like ourselves who don't like it are entitled to say so. A lot of us waited a long time for it and wanted to love it...but it was a massive disappointment.

 

Nothing wrong in stating that.

 

:whistling:

[JimboUK]

I think you have to try and forget that Skyrim is part of the same series as Morrrowind and judge it for what it is, despite it's obvious shortcomings it still stands head and shouders above most of the crap developers throw at us these days. What's more depressing is the response the OP got from certain posters, you used to be able to express yourself here without being jumped on by moronic fanboys, that appears no longer to be the case.

[Matth85]

handle negative opinions about the game,

Oh, we got nothing against it. What I got something against, is people who keeps whining it is not morrowind. Why the **** do you buy another game, if you are so deeply in love with Morrowind? ....

If somebody just don't like it, and don't mention the name Morrowind, I understand. Can't please everybody :)

[abaris]

Its a good game compared to a lot of past years releases.

 

But I was warning everyone singing the praise in advance cause game developers nowadays aim for the lowest common denominator. Making a quick buck is essential in todays industry and that leads to the so called "streamlining" and a premature release that's usually buggy as hell. Also the simultaneous release for three platforms doesn't do any good when it comes to quality control.

[CaptainChaos]

for sure Bioware is the king of story. the stories of the main quests here are kinda blah sometimes, but not horrible by far. I would have liked some more dialogue choices here and there but yah for me it's the open world that gets me coming back. And some of the sidequests are great, the literature is amazing, the little things. I could never get into Morrowind ever since I entered a house got into a fight, was losing, ran out of the house, and i was safe enough to heal and come back in and repeat the cycle until I killed everything. Cheap. It was crazy the AI was too dumb to follow me and finish me off. Oblivion fixed that totally (almost too good b/c they would chase you across all of Tamriel) but Skyrim seems to suffer from that again, sigh.

 

I admit I guess I never gave MW a real chance but that early break in the immersion, was too much for me at the time, although I am sure it was a fine game. Not being able to compare it, I cannot comment on your full disappointment, but if you can't find true enjoyment in this game or fallout 3 or FNV despite (however great Fallout 1 or 2 might have been) I actually feel sorry for you. These are immensely satisfying games. Dragon Age had the best roleplaying out there in any computer game, at least since Baldur's Gate, but even that felt a bit constricted compared the Bethesday open world environments in first person.

 

And with the modding community, you can make it the game *you* want it to be, even more so than the developers imagined. In Oblivion, thanks to mods, I turned off leveling of creatures, used four MEGA mods to handplace items and creatures of fixed levels all through Cyrodil AND turned off the experience system so that I received XP based on creatures and quests not skills I used. I couldn't believe they could mod something so intrinsic to the game and so core fundamental to Bethesda philosophy! Not only that, the XP modder made his code easily adjustable, so I could even adjust how fast or slow I wanted to level!!

 

AMAZING. And credit for Bethesda for being just about the only gaming company that makes it so easy to mod their games like this. Firaxis (Civ is another one).

 

So, maybe in another few weeks you'll give it another chance. Otherwise, I have to agree, four weeks is good play time. Mass Effect 3 will be out in a few months anyway, lol

[Brittainy]

handle negative opinions about the game,

Oh, we got nothing against it. What I got something against, is people who keeps whining it is not morrowind. Why the **** do you buy another game, if you are so deeply in love with Morrowind? ....

If somebody just don't like it, and don't mention the name Morrowind, I understand. Can't please everybody :)

 

I don't like Morrowind. Never have, never will :thumbsup: But I don't like Skyrim, either. Even if I don't compare it to anything else, it's not a game I enjoy in its own right.

 

However, anyone who DOES like it, I'm glad they got their money's worth. I don't want everyone to feel the same way that I do. I'm just having a moan because I am disappointed :whistling: