The Creation Kit

[Sulo]

Well, I am not saying that I will boycot their future games for I am too deeply fascinated by the Elder Scrolls Lore.

 

But I certainly won't buy their games at release date anymore, if things start to develop in the wrong way. In fact, Bethesda games were the only ones left I have been buying from day one. I own every Elder Scrolls game except of Battlespire. I have Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim as Collector's Editions. Also, I bought F3 and FNV as CE at day one.

 

This I did, because I always have been sure to have the Construction Set by my side, helping me customize my game. I started fixing bugs from the start, always did. They disappointed me with releasing the GECK so late so I was forced to play vanilla, something I do not like too much with Bethesda games, which are known for their weak main quests and numerous quest glitches and sloppy QA. With a modkit at hand, I always could counter that.

 

Now they got me for the second time, for reasons that don't have to do with tech, but only with the issue implementing it with Steam. I simply do not believe that it isn't ready. A modkit should not be idiot proof, because modding needs some brains and a keyboard. They start to develop a business plan which has the goal of availability of mods for consoles - fine with me, it is business after all.

 

But I don't understand, why I have to endure disadvantages AGAIN.

 

1.) Crappy console like UI

2.) Crappy Low-Res console graphics

3.) Crappy usage of modern gaming machinery. Dumbed down graphics and console like gameplay. What I am supposed to do with my rig? They don't do RPG no more, quests are linear, dumb down "go and fetch things" for gamepad holders, no more thinking and reading and so on. So can I expect modern gfx? Not even that?

4.) They announce no restrictions and a week after release they bind the exe to steam. Come on, for a singleplayer game? What is this, I already bought that game, legally. Why do I have to use steam? I want to play when I want and not read "game not available" messages.

5.) Bind the Construction set to Steam? C'mon, what for? Pirates will always find a way, they are just punishing the paying customer, me.

6.) My greatest concern is a big split in the modding community, this went on good for too long. Now they want to earn their share, with their intellectual property. While I can understand this as a businessman, I can't understand this as a fan. If talented modders start charging money, they surely won't be that helpful in the future to fellow modders. Because where money comes into mind, everything goes cold.

 

I still will buy Bethesda games in the future. But I am critical of the way it develops and I will surely wait for them to appear on some bargain occasions a year later or so, with appropriate patches and - eventually - a modkit that costs nothing. So far no one said it to be free of charge for Skyrim.

 

Well, there will always be younger players who buy a game regardless of limitations or reputations, but I have grown too old for that. That is why I don't buy any "Gothic" games no more, do not even look at EA / Origin titles and try to avoid everything trying to force me to be online. After more than 15 years of Bethesda gaming and almost 25 years of overall gaming I have to say:

 

I am too old for this sh*t, I am done with being fan of some game series or a company or whatever. Unfortunately people will continue falling for clever, shiny marketing and gladly accept to be beta testers after purchase. I have seen that happen one time too much now.

 

Cheers.

 

P.S. And do not dare to call me a brat, I am almost 40 and have seen so many great games and Skyrim is not the thing I have been hoping for. If you like it, good. I do not like it and please leave this opinion to me. Every other firm like Crytek or so would love to see their customers having fat rigs for gaming, but Bethesda sits on the mediocre mainstream console horse. Another thing I do not understand. Writing in this manner, you can't be even 20 yourself. If you like being ripped off, okay - but leave others users alone, please. And apparenty you do not know what a real Role Playing Game is after all.

[PippoFranchino]

I'm also very disappointed by the realese date. I buy the game only to mod him , as i've done with Fallout 3 , Fallout NV and Oblivion.Now , they want put the creation kit on Steam , they want complicate everything and we have to wait for a fondamental part of the Beth games.We have still a buggy game and we can't expand ita as we have ever done.

 

The better thing they have done is to make their game fully moddable and now we have to wait for them.

 

I cuold complain everything because they are paid to do their work and they are paid well so i 'm expected to be satisfied from their product.

If i go to buy a newspaper only because i know there is a magazine with it and when i arrive the news dealer say me "Come next month" i don't buy the newspaper.

So i've every right to be disappointed or angry because they've said that CK come with game and then they said that it come after two month.

[Sulo]

They want complicate everything and we have to wait for a fondamental part of the Beth games.We have still a buggy game and we can't expand ita as we have ever done.

 

I wouldn't even say that this will be complicated, I think quite the opposite of that. They want to reach a larger audience and they want to implement mods on consoles, a market nearly closed until now. But it will change the face of this modding community, that is what I am afraid of. Comes money, comes trouble...

[stuges]

I cannot believe this is even a topic. I mean, REALLY?! This reminds me of when I was 7 (almost 30 years ago) and got pissed at my grandparents for getting me a lousy FM radio headset for Christmas. A) at least they got me something they thought I would enjoy, even if they were out of touch, and B) it's not like I paid for it, so what the hell was I bitching about. If the only reason you bought Skyrim literally and truly was because you thought you'd be modding it on day one, then I highly suggest you go back to Morroblivion, or better yet GMod. I got the game because it looked incredible, and I wanted to enjoy the most advanced and massive RPG to date. Skyrim = best game yet. And obviously Bethesda intended from the start for there to be incredible and massive fan-made mods -- look at the fact that Morrowind and Cyrodil are in the landmass!!!! So quit whining, you damn spoiled brats! Look at it this way: Bethesda gave us two full months to enjoy their work and what they did so we would have a better understanding of it and what exactly we wanted to mod.

 

You sir, are awesome! Thank you for posting this.

It is exceedingly arrogant for the OP to impulsively jump on beth and then making fun of people who are "rationalizing" bethesda, while all they said was true and very objective.

Here, have a kudos bud. :thumbsup:

[LoganZezima2]

 

Suddenly, we get patches that don't fix anything while the company concentrates on satisfying their XBox players, who are a transient fanbase anyway.

 

 

I bought the PC version and the Xbox version the day of the release. I play on my Xbox, and only use the PC for making mods. So was I disappointed that I'm not getting the CK until January? Yes, a little.

[Ghogiel]

I cannot believe this is even a topic. I mean, REALLY?! This reminds me of when I was 7 (almost 30 years ago) and got pissed at my grandparents for getting me a lousy FM radio headset for Christmas. A) at least they got me something they thought I would enjoy, even if they were out of touch, and B) it's not like I paid for it, so what the hell was I bitching about. If the only reason you bought Skyrim literally and truly was because you thought you'd be modding it on day one, then I highly suggest you go back to Morroblivion, or better yet GMod. I got the game because it looked incredible, and I wanted to enjoy the most advanced and massive RPG to date. Skyrim = best game yet. And obviously Bethesda intended from the start for there to be incredible and massive fan-made mods -- look at the fact that Morrowind and Cyrodil are in the landmass!!!! So quit whining, you damn spoiled brats! Look at it this way: Bethesda gave us two full months to enjoy their work and what they did so we would have a better understanding of it and what exactly we wanted to mod.

 

You sir, are awesome! Thank you for posting this.

It is exceedingly arrogant for the OP to impulsively jump on beth and then making fun of people who are "rationalizing" bethesda, while all they said was true and very objective.

Here, have a kudos bud. :thumbsup:

I don't think he is awesome, when he basically came into the mod forums to tell modders to f*** off back to morroblivion and Gmod, and call us spoiled brats.

[jackalhead]

When i heard that it has been announced to be released within January, my reaction was disgust. I find that the Beth team knew it would take that long to produce the Creation Kit, they knew over 30% of the PC community would have not purchased the game our would have waited. I think what they did is both sick and disgusting towards the consumers and the series. The Bethesda corporation has lost my money for any releases EVER in the future. I will never buy one single product from their arsenal ever again.

I posted a similar thread on the beth forums, removed in less than one minute.

I was banned for this post on the Beth Forum

 

Who's with me?

 

Jesus Christ. :facepalm: Would you have rather they released a buggy / not-working toolset? What that have been less sick to screw the modding community over in the long haul because the toolset was unusable to the average joe?

[Sulo]

I don't think he is awesome, when he basically came into the mod forums to tell modders to f*** off back to morroblivion and Gmod, and call us spoiled brats.

 

And for that, YOU will get a kudo from me, because I won't allow children to call me a brat, especially not when a fanboy is accusing me of not letting myself be ripped off. Thank you.

 

Anyway, it is time to cool down and update my New Vegas mods, I have to play the last add-on yet. There will always be enough people who will eat what they get served and never complain and never stand up if something is not right. In my parents times youth were supposed to go to the streets and protest against the establishment and not to back off. In my time youth are money-oriented apple-polishers, gladly taking any crap from the capitalist establishment and even thinking every sh*t served is cool. Times they are a changin.

 

And for the insulting gentleman I suggest going over to the Beth Forums and licking boots there. You'll quickly see how sh*t will blow, especially in THIS forum and on this site, because the Steam-Mod-Marketing campaign is also directed against the Nexus sites, because this is the biggest and most successful. And they want their share of that. Wait and see.

[jackalhead]

I'm disappointed that it's taking a long time. It's definitely frustrating, and they were a bit of a cocktease in saying they wanted to release soon after launch if they had to no plan to.

 

But to refuse from buying past, current, and future products because of a 2-month waiting period before they give us professional-level modding tools [which they could very well not release, name me one other company that releases their development tools]... that's just idiotic. It's like kicking your girlfriend out of your apartment after a crazy evening of sex because she ordered pizza after you were done, rather than before. I mean, how rude of her.

 

Who wants to eat pizza before having nookie? That would just make you all bloated and gassy and stuff. :confused:

[CampanaAliquanta]

The CK being released late is a drop in the bucket. It's not really the important bit here.

 

The integration with steamworks is the thing that is going to change modding a lot. I kind of wonder if they are planning to have a model on steam that they can then take to Microsoft and say "look, this works for PC. Why not let the same thing happen on consoles?"

 

That way mods released on steam by the community which are approved by Bethesda will be released as DLC on consoles, and the mod creators will get a teeny tiny percentage of the royalties or something. (Did something similar already happen for Left 4 Dead?)

 

That will be fantastic for console players. But it will change the modding community a lot, from something small and cosy and connected to something a lot bigger and more commercially oriented.

Edited December 2, 2011 by CampanaAliquanta