The US justice system.

[ginnyfizz]

it costs billions to fuel the war, the arrests, the prisons. So they should care.

 

I think why many are against it is because of the illusion that everyone will turn into drug addicts f it is legalised.

 

No, it isn't, that's twisting what has been said. What I said was that the dealers who are dealing now would go, supposedly, legit. Other people might want to get in on this lucrative, now legal market. Please don't tell me that the gangster drug pushers are suddenly going to forget how to gun down the opposition for muscling in on their turf. That's what goes on in the biggest town in my area, Shottingham aka Nottingham, where the criminals ain't Robin Hood any more. The same would go for the USA, you'd still get the gangs duking it out.

 

And I love how you sneer at, as "anecdotal", experience from someone who has spent time actually working among the sort of people who you like to label as more likely to commit crime, and has spent a lifetime living in a deprived area. Fine if you would rather believe a set of statistics, which everyone knows can be bent to prove whatever point you like. It is currently "politically correct" to say that the downtrodden poor are likely to turn to crime, in a bid to drive up the spending of public money on employment projects, housing schemes, etc.

 

The area where I live has lost all the core industries that once made it prosperous - mining, textiles, engineering. Despite that, all those ex miners have NOT turned cat burglar or bank robber. The crime rate is relatively low. What there is tends to be to do with...aherrrmmm....drugs or alcohol, and concentrated in Shottingham and the regular Mob vs Yardies vs Triads vs Hells Angels vs Notts Outlaws bouts.

[TheFourthHorse]

Then I'd say we've come to a mutual understanding.

 

:sweat:

[Beriallord]

 

If you knew you would get executed for committing 3 felonies, would you still do it?

 

 

you sound like you assume people commit crime just for kicks

 

Reasons for committing the crime don't matter.

 

of course it matters.

the world is unfair.

you cant expect people to just accept that they were "pre chosen" to starve to death.

"sorry buddy. i was meant to live past 50, you werent. bite it."

 

the vast majority of crime happens because people are forced into that kind of life. further punishing them with a lifetime in prison makes absolutely no sense, and to me it only speaks of sadistic snobbery in the minds of the lawmakers.

 

Life isn't fair, the world isn't fair, and that is just how it is. Nobody is forced into any kind of behavior. You are just completely denying personal responsibility in an effort to blame someone else or the rest of society for someones shortcomings. Are you trying to tell me someone is forced into stealing a car, or robbing a store, etc? Then would would you have everyone do? Give these people something for nothing, when everyone else had to work hard for what they got? The ones who are dumb and lazy, like most criminals, the most I would give them if they behaved is food stamps and maybe some very humble living arrangements. Other than that they don't deserve anything more if they aren't willing to earn it.

Edited December 6, 2011 by Beriallord

[marharth]

it costs billions to fuel the war, the arrests, the prisons. So they should care.

 

I think why many are against it is because of the illusion that everyone will turn into drug addicts f it is legalised.

 

No, it isn't, that's twisting what has been said. What I said was that the dealers who are dealing now would go, supposedly, legit. Other people might want to get in on this lucrative, now legal market. Please don't tell me that the gangster drug pushers are suddenly going to forget how to gun down the opposition for muscling in on their turf. That's what goes on in the biggest town in my area, Shottingham aka Nottingham, where the criminals ain't Robin Hood any more. The same would go for the USA, you'd still get the gangs duking it out.

 

And I love how you sneer at, as "anecdotal", experience from someone who has spent time actually working among the sort of people who you like to label as more likely to commit crime, and has spent a lifetime living in a deprived area. Fine if you would rather believe a set of statistics, which everyone knows can be bent to prove whatever point you like. It is currently "politically correct" to say that the downtrodden poor are likely to turn to crime, in a bid to drive up the spending of public money on employment projects, housing schemes, etc.

 

The area where I live has lost all the core industries that once made it prosperous - mining, textiles, engineering. Despite that, all those ex miners have NOT turned cat burglar or bank robber. The crime rate is relatively low. What there is tends to be to do with...aherrrmmm....drugs or alcohol, and concentrated in Shottingham and the regular Mob vs Yardies vs Triads vs Hells Angels vs Notts Outlaws bouts.

I am still confused on why you think drug dealers would be fine.

 

When legal, if they are going to gun down the opposition they would have to attack corporations and the government.

 

Why would you buy drugs from a shady drug dealer at a higher price when you could buy it somewhere safe at a low price?

[Aurielius]

Life isn't fair, the world isn't fair, and that is just how it is. Nobody is forced into any kind of behavior. You are just completely denying personal responsibility in an effort to blame someone else or the rest of society for someones shortcomings. Are you trying to tell me someone is forced into stealing a car, or robbing a store, etc? Then would would you have everyone do? Give these people something for nothing, when everyone else had to work hard for what they got? The ones who are dumb and lazy, like most criminals, the most I would give them if they behaved is food stamps and maybe some very humble living arrangements. Other than that they don't deserve anything more if they aren't willing to earn it.

Once again I find that we see things with a similar perspective. If we are to give away anything to those that are too bone lazy to fend for themselves then it should be the minimum to sustain existence not anything more. Career spongers are a bane to society and should not be rewarded for their lack of moral fiber. It is an insult to the hard working poor who forge ahead despite severe roadblocks in their way. Life isn't fair and whoever thought we all have equal opportunities is delusional but that doesn't mean one can't improve one's station, it just requires a lot more effort than for those that have had the silver platter handed to them but is well within the realm of possibility.

[Beriallord]

Life isn't fair, the world isn't fair, and that is just how it is. Nobody is forced into any kind of behavior. You are just completely denying personal responsibility in an effort to blame someone else or the rest of society for someones shortcomings. Are you trying to tell me someone is forced into stealing a car, or robbing a store, etc? Then would would you have everyone do? Give these people something for nothing, when everyone else had to work hard for what they got? The ones who are dumb and lazy, like most criminals, the most I would give them if they behaved is food stamps and maybe some very humble living arrangements. Other than that they don't deserve anything more if they aren't willing to earn it.

Once again I find that we see things with a similar perspective. If we are to give away anything to those that are too bone lazy to fend for themselves then it should be the minimum to sustain existence not anything more. Career spongers are a bane to society and should not be rewarded for their lack of moral fiber. It is an insult to the hard working poor who forge ahead despite severe roadblocks in their way. Life isn't fair and whoever thought we all have equal opportunities is delusional but that doesn't mean one can't improve one's station, it just requires a lot more effort than for those that have had the silver platter handed to them but is well within the realm of possibility.

 

There is no such thing as equal opportunity. And we live in a society that consistently lies to kids telling them they can be whatever they want. Individual people are limited in intelligence and ability to keep them from being anything they want to be. Unless you happen to be one of those of genius level IQ. Not just anyone can be doctors, engineers, etc. But that doesn't give anyone an excuse to be a criminal.

 

Society needs janitors, and people to do the menial work, the ones at the bottom of the totem pole in intelligence and ability are going to have to take these jobs. If they don't like it then they should strive to prove they can do better, instead of making excuses.

Edited December 6, 2011 by Beriallord

[Ghogiel]

it costs billions to fuel the war, the arrests, the prisons. So they should care.

 

I think why many are against it is because of the illusion that everyone will turn into drug addicts f it is legalised.

 

No, it isn't, that's twisting what has been said. What I said was that the dealers who are dealing now would go, supposedly, legit. Other people might want to get in on this lucrative, now legal market. Please don't tell me that the gangster drug pushers are suddenly going to forget how to gun down the opposition for muscling in on their turf. That's what goes on in the biggest town in my area, Shottingham aka Nottingham, where the criminals ain't Robin Hood any more. The same would go for the USA, you'd still get the gangs duking it out.

 

And I love how you sneer at, as "anecdotal", experience from someone who has spent time actually working among the sort of people who you like to label as more likely to commit crime, and has spent a lifetime living in a deprived area. Fine if you would rather believe a set of statistics, which everyone knows can be bent to prove whatever point you like. It is currently "politically correct" to say that the downtrodden poor are likely to turn to crime, in a bid to drive up the spending of public money on employment projects, housing schemes, etc.

 

The area where I live has lost all the core industries that once made it prosperous - mining, textiles, engineering. Despite that, all those ex miners have NOT turned cat burglar or bank robber. The crime rate is relatively low. What there is tends to be to do with...aherrrmmm....drugs or alcohol, and concentrated in Shottingham and the regular Mob vs Yardies vs Triads vs Hells Angels vs Notts Outlaws bouts.

More to the point, what you said is not only anecdotal, it is contrary to crime and poverty data. You can say that crime isn't highest in the poorest areas, you can say that the highest offender rates aren't amongst the poor all day and not convince anyone.

 

I suppose your hard knock ghetto experience is too much for this poor inner city Baltimore boy to compare to Shottingham bullet dodge fest. Get real. :confused:

[Aurielius]

it costs billions to fuel the war, the arrests, the prisons. So they should care.

 

I think why many are against it is because of the illusion that everyone will turn into drug addicts f it is legalised.

 

No, it isn't, that's twisting what has been said. What I said was that the dealers who are dealing now would go, supposedly, legit. Other people might want to get in on this lucrative, now legal market. Please don't tell me that the gangster drug pushers are suddenly going to forget how to gun down the opposition for muscling in on their turf. That's what goes on in the biggest town in my area, Shottingham aka Nottingham, where the criminals ain't Robin Hood any more. The same would go for the USA, you'd still get the gangs duking it out.

 

And I love how you sneer at, as "anecdotal", experience from someone who has spent time actually working among the sort of people who you like to label as more likely to commit crime, and has spent a lifetime living in a deprived area. Fine if you would rather believe a set of statistics, which everyone knows can be bent to prove whatever point you like. It is currently "politically correct" to say that the downtrodden poor are likely to turn to crime, in a bid to drive up the spending of public money on employment projects, housing schemes, etc.

 

The area where I live has lost all the core industries that once made it prosperous - mining, textiles, engineering. Despite that, all those ex miners have NOT turned cat burglar or bank robber. The crime rate is relatively low. What there is tends to be to do with...aherrrmmm....drugs or alcohol, and concentrated in Shottingham and the regular Mob vs Yardies vs Triads vs Hells Angels vs Notts Outlaws bouts.

More to the point, what you said is not only anecdotal, it is contrary to crime and poverty data. You can say that crime isn't highest in the poorest areas, you can say that the highest offender rates aren't amongst the poor all day and not convince anyone.

 

I suppose your hard knock ghetto experience is too much for this poor inner city Baltimore boy to compare to Shottingham bullet dodge fest. Get real. :confused:

A poor ex pat American living in the UK....I think you need a dose of reality if you expect that to fly. :down:

[zegh8578]

Life isn't fair, the world isn't fair, and that is just how it is. Nobody is forced into any kind of behavior. You are just completely denying personal responsibility in an effort to blame someone else or the rest of society for someones shortcomings. Are you trying to tell me someone is forced into stealing a car, or robbing a store, etc? Then would would you have everyone do? Give these people something for nothing, when everyone else had to work hard for what they got? The ones who are dumb and lazy, like most criminals, the most I would give them if they behaved is food stamps and maybe some very humble living arrangements. Other than that they don't deserve anything more if they aren't willing to earn it.

 

wow.

just... wow.

 

you actually believe everyone, around the world, gets the same starting point in life, do you? if you actually believe this, im gonna cut you a break, and let you take your time to learn about reality.

 

i'm baffled.

[Ghogiel]

it costs billions to fuel the war, the arrests, the prisons. So they should care.

 

I think why many are against it is because of the illusion that everyone will turn into drug addicts f it is legalised.

 

No, it isn't, that's twisting what has been said. What I said was that the dealers who are dealing now would go, supposedly, legit. Other people might want to get in on this lucrative, now legal market. Please don't tell me that the gangster drug pushers are suddenly going to forget how to gun down the opposition for muscling in on their turf. That's what goes on in the biggest town in my area, Shottingham aka Nottingham, where the criminals ain't Robin Hood any more. The same would go for the USA, you'd still get the gangs duking it out.

 

And I love how you sneer at, as "anecdotal", experience from someone who has spent time actually working among the sort of people who you like to label as more likely to commit crime, and has spent a lifetime living in a deprived area. Fine if you would rather believe a set of statistics, which everyone knows can be bent to prove whatever point you like. It is currently "politically correct" to say that the downtrodden poor are likely to turn to crime, in a bid to drive up the spending of public money on employment projects, housing schemes, etc.

 

The area where I live has lost all the core industries that once made it prosperous - mining, textiles, engineering. Despite that, all those ex miners have NOT turned cat burglar or bank robber. The crime rate is relatively low. What there is tends to be to do with...aherrrmmm....drugs or alcohol, and concentrated in Shottingham and the regular Mob vs Yardies vs Triads vs Hells Angels vs Notts Outlaws bouts.

More to the point, what you said is not only anecdotal, it is contrary to crime and poverty data. You can say that crime isn't highest in the poorest areas, you can say that the highest offender rates aren't amongst the poor all day and not convince anyone.

 

I suppose your hard knock ghetto experience is too much for this poor inner city Baltimore boy to compare to Shottingham bullet dodge fest. Get real. :confused:

A poor ex pat American living in the UK....I think you need a dose of reality if you expect that to fly. :down:

Stop calling me a liar.