Skyrim and Steam...

[DrunkPirateRobert]

Reading this thread, it is apparent that some posters take the position of "steam has always worked fine for me, so therefore I think it is fine for everybody and I don't want to hear any more complaints about it."

 

Their "reasoning" about the topic begins and ends with that, and they will not go any further.

[luxwing0go]

You know, this is the kind of thing why I wish they'd had the game on both DVD and steam, not just steam (and I don't mean the whole "buy the dvd but still use steam" thing).

 

If you like it and get it to work for ya, awesome and more power to you. Everyone who doesn't like it will either get it on console, use it anyway, not get it or find a work-around eventually. Don't know why all the boards about it turn into flame wars - seems pretty straight forward to me. :ohdear:

[AbleGnome]

I've been using Steam for a while and have had ZERO problems. In fact, after seeing the first page I disconnected my wireless (without going into offline mode) and Skyrim started perfectly. I've have no issues using mods, games starting correctly or anything. Coupled with the fact that I've move a lot for work and can't afford to bring hundreds of cases with me and the great Steam deals (Black Friday was insane) it's a win/win for me. Sucks other people have problems, it's a great service for me.

 

Same for me. No problems. However, you're not getting it. Technical problems are not the big problem. The big problem is hijacking our purchase and gaming experience, not to mention our personal computers.

Edited December 18, 2011 by AbleGnome

[Astaril]

Am I paranoid? or does anyone else wonder if the use of Steam for Skyrim is in some way preparing us for an MMORPG? I just can't think of any other good reason why they would use it for a single player game. I guess maybe the "were making modding more accessable" reason holds...? but do Bethesda really make enough money out of PC sales for this to be worth their while?

 

I don't know a lot about it to be honest but I have some concerned feelings...

 

If they did an MMORPG they would stop making single player games and that would be sooo not cool. :facepalm:

although I confess I would probably play it ...reluctantly

hmm contradict myself much? lol

 

p.s. Able Gnome, I love your avatar. :thumbsup:

Edited December 18, 2011 by Astaril

[elleonblanco]

I have been following this thread for the last couple of days. The more I read the more I see between the lines. (Conspiracy theorist at work :blush: ) I am wondering if Beth is catching so much heat from the gaming community that perhaps Steam is starting to get some heat from Beth. So in the interest of damage control just maybe some Steam employees are getting paid to troll community boards in order to try to sway public interest. I know if I were one of the big shots at Beth and our service department had received so many complaints about a service we forced our customers to utilize maybe we would be thinking about not using that service on our next publication. Actually utilizing Steam could be helping to promote piracy of the product in discussion. By forcing customers to utilize something they don't want you will drive a segment of that group to actually download the pirated version. Then what do those people find? They get the same product at NO cost and with no forced services to block them from playing a game they paid THEIR hard earned money to OWN a copy of.

 

So now you are the game publisher. You see that the delivery system is faulty and not wanted by the client. So you place pressure on the delivery system. They see that a multimillion dollar contract is about to vaporize so they go on the defensive. Since no one with any REAL amount of computer savvy would deal with your bogus service you flame every comment that is detrimental to your position. That is what I see going on here.

 

As for the idea of utilizing this service to pump adverts into the single player game I am playing that really tops the mountain. If it ever comes to that I would at that time always take the pirated copy over that paid copy and hope that every place in the game that the force adverts were supposed to appear that a banner would take it's place saying: You may be playing a pirated version of this game. At that time a large smile would cross my face as I had just showed the corporate greedsters that I took control of my own PC and just proved it. :devil:

 

I am adding this as an edit: In real life I am a general contractor. Many time we have sub contractors that do not perform up to a clients expectations. This generally happens a very great expense to us in money and reputation. After a sub burns us a couple of times we don't call them any more. Sort of a similar experience for Beth with Steam I would say. After FNV, Rage, and Skyrim..... would you keep using a bad subcontractor for a delivery system?

Edited December 18, 2011 by elleonblanco

[Pineapplerum]

What I don't get is why the people who are having issues with Steam are now attacking, quite viciously, the people who aren't having issues with Steam, too. Just because I say I don't have any issues with Steam doesn't mean that I'm attacking you or anyone else who doesn't like Steam. I'm just making a factual statement. I've never had any issues with Steam. I'm not trying to troll anyone and I'm not saying that others aren't having issues with Steam.... I have not noticed any slow down in my computer because of Steam I don't think and I don't care if people are using my info from using Steam for promotional purposes of other games, I basically expect there not to be any privacy when using the internet...I've accepted that fact. For me, it was nice not to have to go hunting for a patch to the game when one was available and especially when I didn't even know one was available..whereas others find it annoying that they install the patches automatically through Steam. Isn't there a way to disable that? I would think. I don't know.

I like the idea of my game data being stored for me in the event my computer dies or there's a catastrophy of some kind that destroys everything I own...at least I'll still have my Skyrim data. :blink: Even though I won't have a computer to play it on.

 

It's okay for people to actually not mind that we have to go through Steam to play the game. And it's okay for people not to like having to go through Steam to play the game. If someone starts a thread saying they hate having to go through Steam to play Skyrim, of course there are going to be people who are going to reply to the thread saying that they don't mind Steam and it doesn't bother them.

I haven't read any one who supports Steam insulting people who don't like STeam but I read about 3 posts from people who don't like Steam insulting people who don't mind.

So, for the person who wrote "It's usually the people who start a thread supporting Steam who are the trolls..." Um, no, I don't think so. I think people calling people who don't mind using Steamtrolls may be. (And I did not twist any words...read the first sentence of that post and it clearly states what I replied to.)

 

I really don't understand what all the whaaa hooo is about. With Sims 2 they used Securom and I could understand why such a fuss was made about it...it destroyed peoples' computers...thousands of it happening reported. From what I understand Steam hasn't destroyed anyone's computer.

When you purchased the game, you knew it was going to have to be played through Steam. YOu knew you were purchasing a game that was only yours as long as Steam existed. You knew you would have to have to go online to download it and you knew you'd have a big fat security guard sitting in the back of your car. You accepted that when you purchased the game. I did. If you didn't want to play through Steam than you had the option of playing a console version of the game..if you really wanted to play the PC in spite of Steam but want to come and complain about it anyway..go right ahead, it's no biggie. But don't go insulting ME because YOU don't like Steam and I don't have issues with it.

Back off. It's really hard to take your issues with Steam to heart and feel compassion for you if you're going to start attacking people who don't have issues with Steam. I guess I'm the fat security guards sidekick sitting in the back of your car. Oh, boo hoo hoo. :devil:

Edited December 18, 2011 by Pineapplerum

[Thoreai]

The OP said he cant understand people having problems with steam...so the people came here to tell him why they dont like steam and that they have issues with it, but because pro-steam people took it personally as an anti-steam propaganda they started to troll them.

 

If you would actually read this topic you would realize this, many of them stated that its everyones own opinion how they look at steam and they arent pushing their opinion upon anyone, they came here just to tell why they dont like it, because they thought this topic was made for that purpose.

 

The problem only is, the OP knew very good why some people dont like steam, since there were made zilions of threads about having problems with it and this thread was made for nothing else then trolling them.

 

"What I don't get is why the people who are having issues with Steam are now attacking, quite viciously, the people who aren't having issues with Steam, too."

 

Its the oposite.

[candycommander]

If you guys hold such a hatred for Steam support places like gog and maybe they'll get a better library of modern games.

[Handofbane]

YOu knew you were purchasing a game that was only yours as long as Steam existed.

Not getting into the rest of any argument here, as nobody on either side is going to be able to change the mind of anyone else, it's human nature to always think the self is right and others are wrong, period. That said, this statement is slightly inaccurate - Gabe himself came out and said if Steam ever went under, plans were in place to allow a mass unlocking of security measures on games people owned through Steam so that the check-in would no longer be necessary or prevent people from playing their games. Whether people choose to believe him or not (I expect many shouts of HE LIES! here), the statement is out there and has been in effect for quite a while now, long before this whole Skyrim business came around.

[AbleGnome]

 

When you purchased the game, you knew it was going to have to be played through Steam. YOu knew you were purchasing a game that was only yours as long as Steam existed. You knew you would have to have to go online to download

 

 

Nope. You are not being accurate (or very adult, I must add.)

 

My game says it requires an Internet connection and free Steam account to activate. Says nothing about needing Steam after activation. The smallest print on the box says that you must agree to the Steam SSA (whatever that is) and it provides a URL to go to so you can review it prior to purchase.

 

How sleazy is that? I didn't even see the box until after it was purchased. I think that is rather deceptive and elusive.

 

My son preordered this for me at a Gamestop store, and the clerk told him nothing about any Steam activation, URL, or anything. They took his money and smiled.

Edited December 18, 2011 by AbleGnome