World War III, fact or fiction.

[TheMastersSon]

> #4 - Which is why escalating tensions with the Russians over Syria is a fools game. Assad might be a tyrant, but we can't just go around ousting every tyrant in the world without serious consequences.

 

Our Pentagon has been taught that exact lesson over and over and over (and over) since the end of WWII, in everywhere from Korea and Vietnam to Iraq and even Iran, if anyone happens to remember Operation Ajax, but they're unable to both learn the lesson and keep their paychecks coming in. For over 70 years we've employed millions of Americans in our armed services who had and still have essentially nothing to do, since the last formal declaration of war in our country was in 1941. So it's been non-stop military adventurism and deck scrubbing/tank cleaning ever since. Their primary job is not protecting our country, it's generating relentless and artificial imminent threats to our national security, out of thin air when necessary, to justify their paychecks. Everything from the "Red Menace" to South American "war lords", and the current scam is keeping 320 million Americans perpetually afraid (not to mention irradiated and raped at our borders and airports) because of 19 idiots with box cutters, over 15 years ago.

 

If you haven't read it already I highly recommend a book called "Terrorizing Ourselves" published by CATO several years ago. Even our right-wing is telling us the "war on terror" has become a political football between our two parties. The book explains that the primary tool of terrorism, and the only tool that can effect permanent change in a country, is not violence, it's fear of violence. E.g. it's beyond ridiculous to claim the 911 attack could have defeated the U.S. militarily, or politically etc, but we've spent the last 15 years on a self-created hysteria train, negating our Bill of Rights and handing our Executive Branch every right they've ever dreamed of having over the American people, simply because of the fear of more violence. In other words, fear is infinite and infinitely powerful, while the resources of terrorists are not. So the truth is that the world's primary terrorist for these last 15 years has been our own federal government, and this orchestrated fear machine (the same one that converted the Weimar Republic into Nazi Germany) has become self-propelled in our country. Our politicians regardless of party have discovered a frightened electorate is a subservient and loyal electorate, and they have no plans to put any brakes on their treason train. Reason #17 I'm convinced the only eventuality for our current federal government is collapse and replacement. My only hope is that they don't take the entire civilized world with them on their way out.

Edited November 13, 2016 by TheMastersSon

[HeyYou]

Yeah, its rather dumbfounding how stupid our government/military appear to be. They keep doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results...... Of course, the results are always the same, utter catastrophe for the people we are trying to 'help'....... The 'average' american can see that the current policies are unworkable, unfortunately, our government seems blind to that fact. Do I expect this to change? Nope. Well, not until January at any rate... Maybe trump will have some better ideas on this score.....

[Harbringe]

Yeah, its rather dumbfounding how stupid our government/military appear to be. They keep doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results...... Of course, the results are always the same, utter catastrophe for the people we are trying to 'help'....... The 'average' american can see that the current policies are unworkable, unfortunately, our government seems blind to that fact. Do I expect this to change? Nope. Well, not until January at any rate... Maybe trump will have some better ideas on this score.....

 

Well I'm just so glad it wasn't Hillary , her desire for a no fly zone over Syria and her eagerness to go at Iran was extremely troubling . Figured if she won it was 90/10 WW3 was likely to happen , with Trump figure its 50/50 and thats not because of him , its the neo-con types that seem to be lining up to become part of his administration that worry me. Still dont think we are out of the woods on Syria. People still dont seem to understand just how dangerous that situation is . In the Cuban Missile Crisis you had 2 sides clearly delineated in who wanted what and it was an easily defined and contained locale . Syria on the other hand is fluid with many competing interests doing their own thing. In this you have anywhere from 8 - 12 actors involved, any of which could do something to trigger others to make much more consequential decisions , creating a cascade of events that could trigger a world war.

[HeyYou]

 

Yeah, its rather dumbfounding how stupid our government/military appear to be. They keep doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results...... Of course, the results are always the same, utter catastrophe for the people we are trying to 'help'....... The 'average' american can see that the current policies are unworkable, unfortunately, our government seems blind to that fact. Do I expect this to change? Nope. Well, not until January at any rate... Maybe trump will have some better ideas on this score.....

 

Well I'm just so glad it wasn't Hillary , her desire for a no fly zone over Syria and her eagerness to go at Iran was extremely troubling . Figured if she won it was 90/10 WW3 was likely to happen , with Trump figure its 50/50 and thats not because of him , its the neo-con types that seem to be lining up to become part of his administration that worry me. Still dont think we are out of the woods on Syria. People still dont seem to understand just how dangerous that situation is . In the Cuban Missile Crisis you had 2 sides clearly delineated in who wanted what and it was an easily defined and contained locale . Syria on the other hand is fluid with many competing interests doing their own thing. In this you have anywhere from 8 - 12 actors involved, any of which could do something to trigger others to make much more consequential decisions , creating a cascade of events that could trigger a world war.

 

And that is one of the main reasons I think we should be working WITH the Russians, in support of Assad. He may be distasteful, but, he is a known quantity..... Deposing him, and then having a bunch of competing factions vying for power in Syria would make it look just like Iraq after we 'won'.... Or Libya, or Yemen.... Just what we DO NOT need in that region.

[TheMastersSon]

 

 

Yeah, its rather dumbfounding how stupid our government/military appear to be. They keep doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results...... Of course, the results are always the same, utter catastrophe for the people we are trying to 'help'....... The 'average' american can see that the current policies are unworkable, unfortunately, our government seems blind to that fact. Do I expect this to change? Nope. Well, not until January at any rate... Maybe trump will have some better ideas on this score.....

 

Well I'm just so glad it wasn't Hillary , her desire for a no fly zone over Syria and her eagerness to go at Iran was extremely troubling . Figured if she won it was 90/10 WW3 was likely to happen , with Trump figure its 50/50 and thats not because of him , its the neo-con types that seem to be lining up to become part of his administration that worry me. Still dont think we are out of the woods on Syria. People still dont seem to understand just how dangerous that situation is . In the Cuban Missile Crisis you had 2 sides clearly delineated in who wanted what and it was an easily defined and contained locale . Syria on the other hand is fluid with many competing interests doing their own thing. In this you have anywhere from 8 - 12 actors involved, any of which could do something to trigger others to make much more consequential decisions , creating a cascade of events that could trigger a world war.

 

And that is one of the main reasons I think we should be working WITH the Russians, in support of Assad. He may be distasteful, but, he is a known quantity..... Deposing him, and then having a bunch of competing factions vying for power in Syria would make it look just like Iraq after we 'won'.... Or Libya, or Yemen.... Just what we DO NOT need in that region.

 

My own percentages were and still are 100/0% under Trump (egomaniacal + reactionary + presidential power = CERTAIN DISASTER) and 90/10% under Hillary (incompetence + laziness + presidential power = PROBABLE DISASTER). Our Syria problem is due entirely to our Pentagon problem, which in turn is due substantially to our Israel problem. Ever notice how it's always Israel's worst enemies that our own military is invading and bombing, and who supposedly represent threats to our country? It's not coincidental, and as long as we pretend theocracy isn't absurdly stupid, as long as it's based on the "right" religion instead of the "wrong" one, we're doomed to perpetual fighting between six year-old kids, arguing over whether Superman or Spiderman is King of the Marvel Universe.