Collingwood Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 (edited) I was just wondering which antagonist you liked more. I have to say i like Alduin more because i see Mehrunes Dagon as a brute with power. Edited December 17, 2011 by Collingwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrotek Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 (edited) They are both boring antagonists. I personally like it to find out stuff about antagonists in storys, that makes them looking like a beeing with feelings and not a untouchable thing u dont know anything about.Also i like that they show up from time to time, at least alduin does that, mehrunes doesnt, so i say alduin > mehrunes. But just because of that, not because they are actually "good" antagonists. I dont like those "Evil and superstrong untouchable enemy want to take over the world"-scenarios. Morrowind is the same by the way. I cant even remember who it was. Hopefully anyone can decipher what i wrote, my english isnt that great :x. Edited December 17, 2011 by Cyrotek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matth85 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Alduin: Come on, he is a dragon! A very powerfull one. However, I believe Dagon could kick his ass: A powerfull dadreic prince which is immortal. Perhaps if Dagon would get a new model, and could actually walk, I would like him more. I remember that damn ugly thing in Oblivion >.< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdonin Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Dagon is a villan. Alduin is more of a force of nature. The Oblivion Crisis was the culmination of centuries of plots and work by Dagon, who was forced to work through minions and intermediaries. There was something of a Cthulu element to the story, with a hidden cult, viewed as mad by the common rabble, working to bring their god into the world... In my mind, minions are a very important element to the character of a villan, and Dagon had them. Meanwhile, Alduin doesn't really have any. The other Dragons bow to him, sure, but do they really do his bidding? The story also has nothing to do with Alduin's own actions or plans, but rather a freak happenstance of using a particular Elder Scroll. He does have one villany quality, and thats talking big and running away when he's beat. Be it when he resurects the Dragon at Kynesgrove, or his defeat at the Throat of the World, it's all "I'm going to eat you" and "We'll finish this later". Due to something my brother had said earlier in the day, when you defeat Alduin in Sovengarde all i could hear was "Next time Gadget! Next time!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjimmyz Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 To be honest, Mehrunes is not an antagonist, he is just a boss at the end. He features in almost none of the rest of the game, and antagonist implies he actually take spart in the plit. Alduin isnt much better, but at least you see him before the final battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenMonkey47 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Stalemate. Dagon couldn't permanently put Alduin down as he's not Dragonborn, and Alduin couldn't best Dagon in combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InuyashaFE Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Stalemate. Dagon couldn't permanently put Alduin down as he's not Dragonborn, and Alduin couldn't best Dagon in combat. Dagon is a Daedric Lord, much more powerful than the Aedra, and especially much more powerful than a Lesser Aedra. Dagon would have it. I think Alduin is a better villain simply due to having more characterization. Dagon never spoke in Oblivion if I'm right, it was all about Mankar Camoran and the Mythic Dawn. Alduin however operated somewhat on his own, albeit with other dragons aiding him. Dagon had to operate through servants, so they got a much bigger spotlight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingblind Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Mehrunes Dagon was beaten by a dragon already. But I liked the plot better with Mehrunes Dagon than with Alduin. It seemed more in depth and drawn out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdonin Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 The only reason Dagon was defeated by the Avatar of Akatosh was because of the proximity of White Gold Tower. Undoubetedly, Dagon opted to appear there in order to destroy the last barrier between Mundus and Oblivion in one strike, but the PC and Martin mess up his plans. WHen dealing with Dagon, you also have to consider the fact that he was not JUST in Oblivion. He was a background antagonist in Arena (He was the power behind Jagar Tharn) and he was the main antagonist in Battlespire. Dagon had been working on the Oblivion Crisis for decades at least, probably longer considering Mankar Cameron's Paradise had been around for centuries. He may not have been physically present very much, but he was heavily in play throughout the entirety of the TES games. Alduin just kinda gets displaced, comes back and is like "WTF? Ah well, back to killing humans". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justwannaddl Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Alduin is definitely the weaker of the two in terms of raw power. He is roughly as powerful as the Dragonborn, maybe stronger, and, as Clavicus Vile put it, the dragonborn is almost as powerful as he is when he was at half strength. I wouldn't make blanket statements over the power of daedra over the aedra or any other god though. That would be like saying daedra are more powerful than any mortal. Akatosh did beat Mehrunes Dagon pretty easily after all. Just because they cannot be permanently killed doesn't mean they are unbeatable. Alduin seems like a simple super villain. Mehrunes Dagon strikes me as a murderous jerk with power. How anyone would choose to worship him when so many other daedric princes offer similar or better services is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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