The Sunday discussion - Chesko

[Alkohol]

In response to post #44180230. #44189220, #44200315, #44203670, #44206095 are all replies on the same post.

SparrowPrince wrote: As expected, these interviews have already turned into: "My work is incomprehensible! Wow downloads! I love my users! I love vidya games!"

This is why interviews with users who are already established are just plain boring. As I said before, you need to seek and spotlight the lesser-known creative talent, as well as the programmers whom don't get enough praise for the tools we just can't live without.

I mean, I don't hate any authors listed here obviously, but we already know what Elinora will talk about (for example). It's not like she is going to tell us that she decided to make mods after her stint of nightly crime fighting was becoming too dangerous.

SlackerD wrote: lol

CarBENbased wrote: Well, they did say it would be a weekly thing. It's likely they're starting the series off with well known people to introduce the community to the concept. Eventually they'll run out of the big names and they'll have to find some smaller lesser known mod authors or the devs of the tool to interview if they want the series to continue.

morbidslinky wrote: How do they choose who to interview? Is this only going to be a "bethesda-modders only" thing, or will they also reach out to modders for Witcher, Dragon Age, Xcom, ect.? Show some love to the little guys!

Alexmancer wrote: I'd love to hear about her nightly crime fighting.

SparrowPrince telling it like it is. Thanks.

[Hutspot01]

In response to post #44169115. #44171160, #44171925, #44172710, #44174990, #44175880, #44180895, #44190425, #44192060, #44197925, #44198580, #44201785, #44212395, #44213285 are all replies on the same post.

CptVolto wrote: Not a single question or insight concerning the entire "Paid Mods" fiasco?

Look, I like Chesko's mods as much as the next guy, but are we all really so quick to forget that he heavily took part in a spearhead movement which would have screwed both modders and the modding community as a whole in the long run.

At least a question as to "why?" would have been nice, especially now that it's months behind and hindsight can reign free.

seedannis wrote: He's already made a reddit post about that before if you really want to read it. I don't think this is necessary in this interview. It was nice to have the focus be on the mods he makes and nothing else.

archerarcher wrote: I think nearly no one cares about this cr@p anymore

camycamera wrote: He's already "explained" himself. Bethesda approached him about it, and of course he'd not turn it down, if you were in his shoes, you certainly wouldn't either; an opportunity to get paid for his work that he did for free, that would be great!

But, unfortunately, due to the terrible way that the whole paid mods thing was implemented by Valve/Bethesda, he got caught up in a bunch of this negativity, and then they pulled the plug. End of story.

You shouldn't demonize someone for taking such an opportunity, even if it was for a lost cause later on. Sometimes, s#*! happens, and Chesko is not to be blamed whatsoever for any of that mess.

Rigmor wrote: How Chesko and some other modders were treated by the crapstorm was pretty much disgusting, seeing as it wasn't really their fault the green eyed genie was let out of the bottle by Valve/Beth, and at the worst possible deal available at that.

Chesko leaves his source files in his mods so people like me can pick at them, and takes time to point you in the right direction if you are having difficulties to an issue. I hope the support he gets from his fans keeps him working on mods, especially SSE.

Unfortunately for all you guys/gals out there, he is going to marry me, so whatever...

:)

Iceman8619 wrote: I have no problem with the fact that Bethesda approached Chesko about getting paid for his mods. I consider Frostfall an essential mod for me to play Skyrim. I'd gladly pay for his mods if they were released as paid mods.

Making mods takes a lot of time and work. Sure, it is great to know that the community appreciates it. Having Bethesda approach him because of his work is, I'm sure, an honor for him. We may not all like the way that whole thing went down, but we all need to have respect and show support to all of the modders out there. Regardless of the paid mod deal, modders have made this game and many other game what they are. There are countless games out there that would not be played near as much as they are without the modders. Skyrim is one of those.

SparrowPrince wrote: Everyone forgets and moves on today. That's how companies like EA keep getting away with nickle and dime anti-consumer practices. But no, let's not go on about it!

Not the modder's fault? Did Bethesda hold a gun to their head? The spin is making me feel dizzy.

SamusKnight2K wrote: Far as I'm concerned Chesko did show remorse for it and stuck around despite some mod authors vanishing after the shitstorm. He has and always will have, my respect. Besides, life is too short to hold grudges over something where someone just wanted to get some extra money doing what they love the most. It wasn't a bad idea, just poortly executed. That's my two septims on the matter.

Leros wrote: What fiasco, the whining of kids that feel entitled to other peoples work?

No modder supporting paid mods did anything wrong. It did not work out, be glad, shut up and move on.

Seriously the way you people treated modders that created content for you was simply disgusting, it still makes me angry.

Ethreon wrote: Hope you'll enjoy seeing the paid mods return. Cause they will.

SparrowPrince wrote: 'I don't like X opinion, so it's whining.'

Leros, people can 'whine' or complain about what they want. If they weren't allowed, how would they express their opinions? By talking to themselves? By muttering under their breath? You are doing the same right now, but no one else can because it doesn't aline with your own views? Ok then.

It was a bad idea as it was truly built out of corporate greed. It was an attempt to profit off the work of their user base, while watching some extra revenue roll in for doing absolutely nothing; basically, it's YouTube content ID. It's easy to work out why you should have never been a part of it from the very start.

bigo161107 wrote: "Seriously the way you people treated modders that created content for you was simply disgusting, it still makes me angry."

Did you ever think how the modders treated their fans and supporters? crippling the community by only uploading to steam workshop which isnt a good platform, just to feed bethesda for sitting on their asses whilst the modder did all the work. Its like horsearmour all over again but with slaves doing the DLC. "Ah, i see you finished the George Clooney BatNip armor. have a piece of bread and a glass of poowater peasant, we will take it from here $$$" The modders basically took a dump on their fans and got down on their knees ready to blow bethesda. That was pretty disgusting if you ask me.

Sure, If youre good at something, dont do it for free. But with modding you just have to bite that bullet because there is no good way to make that happen. Bethesda cant just allow people to profit from the source material. Its copyrighted and s#*!. alot of laws would be broken etc. íf modders want to be paid they need to get a job as a gamedeveloper, they cant just piggyback ride off of skyrims success.

archerarcher wrote: SparrowPrince:
Everyone forgets and moves on today. That's how companies like EA keep getting away with nickle and dime anti-consumer practices. But no, let's not go on about it!

Not the modder's fault? Did Bethesda hold a gun to their head? The spin is making me feel dizzy.

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Exact!

Kazuya482 wrote: Man, see I knew this would come back to bite mod authors in the ass. Nobody gained anything from the whole ordeal, and things got disgusting all around.

Why should they? It's not relevant at the moment.

And Chesko has already been quite open as to the "why" and "how". Most of which is still accessible and easy to find if you're really that interested. No need for him to regurgitate the same statements over and over.

Nobody gained anything from that fiasco. Lot's of people showed the worst side of their personalities, while "spearheading" on both sides of the barricades. He's been able to make amends with the people who matter to him, same as everybody else, and that's really the only thing that matters. It's best to just move on.

[Hutspot01]

In response to post #44207725. #44210065, #44213255 are all replies on the same post.

XZodio12345 wrote: Wasn't Chesko the guy that sold out to paid modding, and when it all got taken down he acted like a total c*%! to just about everybody and made a huge deal out of leaving the modding community? I'm glad he's back; his mods are pretty good, but they're not exactly godsend. Well, I can see that he's still acting like the Kanye West of Skyrim modding. Nobody gives Chesko more credit than Chesko.

TehKaoZ wrote: I'm sorry, who are you again?

Kazuya482 wrote: You need to upgrade the bait.

Don't forget that he suffered massive abuse because he was involved in the paid mods fiasco. From fellow mod authors (aka: the people who matter) and many thousands of enraged mod users. He didn't act like a c**, he was treated like a c***, and backed off for a while because of it.

You don't matter. (Same as me.) The people who do matter, his fellow mod authors, have in general made good and moved on. There is no need for mod consuming peasants like us to keep regurgitating that fiasco. It contributes nothing, it helps nothing.

And saying he isn't a godsend and making him the "Kanye West" of modding is pretty pretentious. How many api's have you developed? How many (quality) mods have you published? How many mod authors hold you in high regard? I know the answer: 0.0.

Chesko has every right to be proud of his work. And to take credit for it. Especially since he gladly shares credit when he has other people cooperating, and since he gladly helps out other people when he has the opportunity. Almost everybody who makes quality mods is extremely proud of their work. That's not an attribute unique for Chesko.

[weijiesen]

Nice interview, its a welcomed Nexus feature too.

 

Quite glad to see Frostfall on SSE :yes:

[Psychophobe]

In response to post #44207725. #44210065, #44213255, #44221230 are all replies on the same post.

XZodio12345 wrote: Wasn't Chesko the guy that sold out to paid modding, and when it all got taken down he acted like a total c*%! to just about everybody and made a huge deal out of leaving the modding community? I'm glad he's back; his mods are pretty good, but they're not exactly godsend. Well, I can see that he's still acting like the Kanye West of Skyrim modding. Nobody gives Chesko more credit than Chesko.

TehKaoZ wrote: I'm sorry, who are you again?

Kazuya482 wrote: You need to upgrade the bait.

Hutspot01 wrote: Don't forget that he suffered massive abuse because he was involved in the paid mods fiasco. From fellow mod authors (aka: the people who matter) and many thousands of enraged mod users. He didn't act like a c**, he was treated like a c***, and backed off for a while because of it.

You don't matter. (Same as me.) The people who do matter, his fellow mod authors, have in general made good and moved on. There is no need for mod consuming peasants like us to keep regurgitating that fiasco. It contributes nothing, it helps nothing.

And saying he isn't a godsend and making him the "Kanye West" of modding is pretty pretentious. How many api's have you developed? How many (quality) mods have you published? How many mod authors hold you in high regard? I know the answer: 0.0.

Chesko has every right to be proud of his work. And to take credit for it. Especially since he gladly shares credit when he has other people cooperating, and since he gladly helps out other people when he has the opportunity. Almost everybody who makes quality mods is extremely proud of their work. That's not an attribute unique for Chesko.

Well said Hutspot01

[Psychophobe]

I'd like to know Chesko's favourite colour?

I'd like to know what the first Mod Checko ever played with on Skyrim was?

I'd like to know what Chesko had for breakfast.

I'd like to know what one thing in the world of Skyrim that Chesko would like to fix (for example, there are not enough birds, or there are too many jewels discovered when mining)

 

 

While this interview was interesting, it was (as mentioned by others) entirely on topic, 100% and that sadly doesn't reflect that Chesko is a human being who perhaps once a fortnight doesn't play/mod Skyrim!

 

Anyhow, I'm impressed with Campfire and this was not a bad tinterview :-)

[wilburense]

In response to post #44227750.

Psychophobe wrote: I'd like to know Chesko's favourite colour?
I'd like to know what the first Mod Checko ever played with on Skyrim was?
I'd like to know what Chesko had for breakfast.
I'd like to know what one thing in the world of Skyrim that Chesko would like to fix (for example, there are not enough birds, or there are too many jewels discovered when mining)


While this interview was interesting, it was (as mentioned by others) entirely on topic, 100% and that sadly doesn't reflect that Chesko is a human being who perhaps once a fortnight doesn't play/mod Skyrim!

Anyhow, I'm impressed with Campfire and this was not a bad tinterview :-)

I think he likes blue (?

About the birds there is a mod that add those feathered thingies and is well done.

[rhetrik]

I for one would have liked to know a bit more about his personal life. I mean, not private things, I don't need to know his favorite color, but things like what he is doing for living now and so on. If I remember correctly, there was a time when he said he would stop modding because there was an indie title he started working on. That didn't work out as I recall, correct me if I am wrong.

 

I would have liked to know more about this or if he is doing something similar now/plans to do so ever again.

 

Basically, I hope he is doing well, I am a big admirer and this interview sadly didn't give me anything concerning him apart from his modding abilities.

 

Nonetheless a very good interview, especially the on-topic part ;)

I also liked the fact that you did not bring up the whole paid-modding mess again. Chesko IMO did what he was entitled to, it didn't work out, he was treated horribly and once again I felt sad for him even though I don't know him personally.

 

TL; DR: Good interview, not enough personal stuff.

Edited November 8, 2016 by rhetrik

[Skateboards]

Great read! Looking forward to more.

[VeryNaughtyBoy]

Noooooooo! this is going to be a written thing? but I cannot read!

 

I've actually asked my dad to write this comment just now.

 

:=P