sunshinenbrick Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 The chaos in the lives of plebeians is a somewhat small price to pay for oil, money, and influence. We all bought (continue to buy) into living outside our means and enjoying freedoms at the expense of those less fortunate, and so really only have ourselves and the governments/corporations we put in power to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMastersSon Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) The chaos in the lives of plebeians is a somewhat small price to pay for oil, money, and influence. We all bought (continue to buy) into living outside our means and enjoying freedoms at the expense of those less fortunate, and so really only have ourselves and the governments/corporations we put in power to blame.IMO fusion energy will revolutionize the world, and while my irony meter is absolutely pegged on the claim, if the rise of China has any silver lining, it's that the world finally has an advocate for popular will that is not (or at least is less) beholden to the multinational corporate mafia that now controls most Western governments. Watch what happens to our fusion energy programs once Trump is in office. With Rick Perry running our DOE and ExxonMobil's CEO as our Secretary of State I'd look for either no or virtually no advancement. Think dirty coal and fracking in Texas instead. Meanwhile China is going to the moon to begin mining helium-3 for their fusion energy program. As I've mentioned elsewhere, experts tell us we could finish the fusion job for substantially less than a single year's tax subsidies to ExxonMobil. Edited January 16, 2017 by TheMastersSon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyYou Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 The chaos in the lives of plebeians is a somewhat small price to pay for oil, money, and influence. We all bought (continue to buy) into living outside our means and enjoying freedoms at the expense of those less fortunate, and so really only have ourselves and the governments/corporations we put in power to blame.IMO fusion energy will revolutionize the world, and while my irony meter is absolutely pegged on the claim, if the rise of China has any silver lining, it's that the world finally has an advocate for popular will that is not (or at least is less) beholden to the multinational corporate mafia that now controls most Western governments. Watch what happens to our fusion energy programs once Trump is in office. With Rick Perry running our DOE and ExxonMobil's CEO as our Secretary of State I'd look for either no or virtually no advancement. Think dirty coal and fracking in Texas instead. Meanwhile China is going to the moon to begin mining helium-3 for their fusion energy program. As I've mentioned elsewhere, experts tell us we could finish the fusion job for substantially less than a single year's tax subsidies to ExxonMobil. Yet we have spent significantly more than those subsidies on fusion research, and we still don't have it....... Throwing yet more money at the problem isn't going to make it happen overnight. This is something folks have been poking at for decades, and from what I have seen, we are no closer now, to a viable commercial fusion reactor, than we were 30 years ago. We have just spent a few more billions and research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMastersSon Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) HeyYou, when Skunk Works claims five years or less, and $30B or less, personally I bank on their claims and see no reason to doubt them -- especially considering what China, France, Germany and other countries have accomplished recently. China successfully tested a fusion reactor last February for 102 seconds etc. And I'm serious about them going to the moon for helium-3, the first launch is three years away. They're proceeding, unlike the entire rest of the world, on a defined schedule for conversion to fusion power. Look it up if you don't believe it. Relatively recent advances in lasers and especially magnets have driven fusion power to practicality for the very first time. That's the short answer to why I think your cynacism is misplaced. For 40 years I had the exact same "yeah right" reaction to fusion power stories, until I started reading the details about superconducting magnets/cables, fusion plasma and the lasers used to start the reaction. All the pieces are there, but in classic government bureaucracy form, our feds have dumped the bulk of fusion R&D funds into the wrong projects. It turns out that fusion reactors don't need to be three stories tall and take huge numbers of people to design, build and operate, but that's all we're going to get from our current federal government. And with the recent election I think they'll cease funding of these projects altogether. Safe bet imo that Rick Perry, ExxonMobil's CEO etc are not in a big hurry to develop fusion reactors. It's been the problem with our DOE almost since the agency was created. Edited January 16, 2017 by TheMastersSon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunshinenbrick Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 I remember we came to similar resource paradoxes in another thread. Even if we can (and I hope we can) make fusion work, the energy, technology and materials to get to that point will still largely be oil based. Also energy, while a main factor, is not the only thing that has us hooked on oil, and all of these products and materials will have to be replaced as well (some not yet replaceable), again though only by the use of oil to get there. So we are left with the conundrum of choosing between saving or spending our way out a hole and as any decent economist will tell you (and this is all economics - or rather geopolitical economics) you actually need a little bit of both, but in the right places. It's a very careful balancing act that needs the correct investment at the correct time. The problem at the moment seems to be that collaboration has broken down. However, politics and power is a circus, so I do also wonder if many things are a smokescreen (a real and deadly for many of us, kind of smokescreen) that leads us all on a wild goose chase, while those who are 'warning' us make of with the golden egg. Hmmm... but then maybe it is a double bluff! Who knows at this point, and I think that is actually the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMastersSon Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 IMO Americans need to learn what dollar hegemony is, and why we're literally enslaved to the fossil fuel industry. With the collapse (or at least substantial decline) of Big Oil goes somewhere between a substantial and majority value of our currency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of the Strings Posted January 20, 2017 Author Share Posted January 20, 2017 First of all: Thank you all. There are so much answers really welcome and there are others I completely disagree with . Some of them I even don't like to read. But I'm used to accept that people are different and their personal experience is different. Surely you all don't need me to tell you howto keep tolerant and friendly. And @ Site Management: It's great to be here! ... No, i don'T like this profit logic, I don't like the way how personal relations are bound to profit religion, I don't like so muchhhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amoryenar Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Some of US didn't like the vietnam war....... Of course, a fair few of us didn't want Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Syria, etc. either. There are also a fair few of us that DON'T want Hillary......... That leaves us with pretty much one choice........ you coulda voted 3rd party -shrug- Neither of them were capable, we just got the short end of the stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyYou Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Some of US didn't like the vietnam war....... Of course, a fair few of us didn't want Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Syria, etc. either. There are also a fair few of us that DON'T want Hillary......... That leaves us with pretty much one choice........ you coulda voted 3rd party -shrug- Neither of them were capable, we just got the short end of the stick. A third-party candidate has zero chance of winning here. It was be akin to simply not voting at all. At least a vote for trump (or, really, a vote AGAINST Hilary) would count for something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyquest32 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) If your implying what I think you are give me a break. Don't think Nazi Germany, think the Regan years, trump is a 80's man like me...that's what we want...just a little common since in the world along with the restoration of our society, our culture/values, art and media. Not literally the 1980's of course, but a return to life as we know it, and all that implies. Please grow up guy. This is not the twilightzone, and none of you are Mr wordsworth. Even I, if given the opportunity, would not go that far. Our noble commander merely wants to set the wrong things right and give us back our lives. That's all. There were gays and radical sexist feminist then too, don't worry...but they were mostly sane and many of them had good reason, if they felt that way.. it was not so shallow. People had fun, did what they wanted, more so than now. You will probably need to trust me on that. In the absence this brand of inane thinking we really did not worry about such nonsense. There were civil rights stuff, but not as much a feeling of entitlement. The exploitation of these beliefs were missing to a greater degree. A lot of people I have talked have said these new people parroting the words, don't even really know what they are talking about. The exploitation makes them ill. A lot of them view it as an insult, not all but many that were there in the 60's, 70's and 80's. Edit: Incidentally, in response to that anon communication directed at this post, (reply bounced) I need to correct some of my info as a mistake was obviously made on my behalf, but unsure how. I noticed it before now, of course but was unsure how to change the info on my profile...I am also regrettably lazy sometimes with things that don't really matter. Hahaha good catch whoever you are...and good deductive reasoning to be able to send me that. Have a rubber pizza for a prize, its the kind of diet stuff, like the foul swamp water you guess call soda you like right? Really though, come to think of it, that diet drink is so foul tasting its not a replacement but rather like nasty carbonated water someone put something bad in. I had rather a drink of prune juice and rotgut whisky, than that. I mean at least it would be a honest drink you know? Such a drink would probably give most people less stomach problems too, than that nasty fake sugar at least. Absinthe taste much better in my experience. This type of reply, I believe, is on par with the quality content of your little malcontent letter. Anyway, pleasant day to you, and...enjoy your implied, faux pizza. That is all. Edited January 28, 2017 by skyquest32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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