Trump is no go for German TES Community as far as I know them

[trogdar51dunce]

thank you for your informed opinions.i lament the fact that most people today are so desensitized that they actually loathe the idea of thinking about or discussing anything.i wish for all of us to start having more communication.we need people to have different opinions and ideas.so we can all learn from each other.

[HeyYou]

thank you for your informed opinions.i lament the fact that most people today are so desensitized that they actually loathe the idea of thinking about or discussing anything.i wish for all of us to start having more communication.we need people to have different opinions and ideas.so we can all learn from each other.

The only problem is, of late, if someone has a different opinion, that makes them evil, the devil, morons, and a whole host of other less-than-complimentary terms...... It seems that in the current climate, you either agree, or you are 'the enemy'.... and your opinion is obviously wrong, therefore, worthless.

[skyquest32]

I'm a 56 year old Woodelf from Germany (well, I'm obviously not, but my game playing mate since TES III has been every time). About 70 years ago we had a terrorism of state here, that was a butchery simply spoken.

 

The whole world was in war with us, and especially young people in the 60ies and up into the eighties were listening to the AFN (American Forces Network) radio, because this was the radio of the guys, that had freed us from this nazi terror ( and Britons and Russians and so on were with them) .... /€(And, to tell the truth: from Jazz to Pop they had the best music )/€ :wink:

 

We didn't agree with some of yours regarding the Vietnam war.

 

But the best of us critical intellectuals dreamed of a studient scholarship at Berkley, Yale or MIT.

 

I please you:

 

DON'T DO THAT TRUMP

 

 

The Lord of The Strings

 

@staff. Possible to type out the typo in the title ... ?

/€dit: oh, thanks/€dit

There are some of us that just don't agree with this toxic level of political correctness *grins* Who don't subscribe to this new version of it that has gone past simple civility, sophistication and good taste, into the land of an extremist cult mentality that is completely idiotic and philosophically unworkable.

 

On the sane level, as the parties were original intended both had some valid points and it kept everything in balance which allowed the freedom that was intended with the country.

 

These people though...are insane. I spoke to a weird cultist once, I wont dignify what he believed in by giving voice to a description, and when you set him off he behaved in the same identical manner as they do. Don't you ever, there is never a reason to...and other little parroted and triggered cues... I met his friends, poor fellows were also very unstable and felt I was speaking to the same person.

 

They even effected the same accessories like there people do, because they think there supposed too...cloned and canned in little black ''pat'' ''film character'' glasses. Its also delightfully funny, ironic and unspeakably annoying as a culture. It even requires textbook cult techniques of selective perception to allow it.

 

Also, in another aspect it reminds me of the movie demolition man where he woke up in this socially dystopian ''Think Hellworld'' future and the only restaurant was taco bell, but they all served was recycled waste products and trash.

 

Its also like the future in the book not ''film'' the running man, without the games department.

 

This movement in ''reality'' is a more surreal and less realistic approach to that. The games authorities in that book still abide by the essential nature of man,though they were twisted and took it to one of its darker places in that nightmare world.

 

Thankfully, that sort of thing is also a double edge sword evolving in one way and devolving in another so its easy if damned annoying to politely pull apart...as these die hard fantastic are mentally weak and subnormal, nonstrategic in any effective ''real world'' way maimed be the nature of there beliefs and allowed perceptions...and limited in what they can see going on around them.

 

So, no worries.

 

They look at what they are pointed at and see as there guided selective perception allows. and right now that's Trump....failing to see the rest of it, and that its too late already for this to continue much longer.

 

However some of it has been useful in some ways, a few workable things can be left over from such extremist insanity and and it is pragmatic to do so, I think it likely these will be used as a mitigating factor to assure the restoration of a sane and balanced perspective.

 

It wont be all one way or the other, in other words. Things should pretty much be OK in future, all signs point to yes.

 

 

The only problem is, of late, if someone has a different opinion, that makes them evil, the devil, morons, and a whole host of other less-than-complimentary terms...... It seems that in the current climate, you either agree, or you are 'the enemy'.... and your opinion is obviously wrong, therefore, worthless.

 

Thing is its all part of this type of modernistic cultist reaction. This is really because of the belief... to except them they requires they have had to establish a collective perceptional filter. Its all black and white for them.

 

They really cant keep things in perspective because they have no discernment. Its a side effect of this bastardized form of incomplete magical thinking, as it relates to there highly extreme version of political correctness. To live in reality would require certain branches of philosophy that would contradict them even aesthetics because it would allow them to see things, differences, aesthetics, and cause and effect...upon reflection force them to.

 

As a hobby we have collected many social studies that point to this in almost ever aspect. A sociologist friend of mine and his psychologist friend complied report based on observations and legal secret study and statistics. Reading this would almost make any thinking person run screaming in utter horror.

 

I have also learned and heard rumors that many such studies have been done and unpublished reports have been compiled and submitted as well as requested by major corporations, organizations and well, who knows? Read up on this yourself, or just wake up and take a look.

 

Certain universities have become there little training camps. Movies have to be remade for them because the artistic original would have no meaning pointing to some bits of reality they have blocked.

 

Telling them would do no good because they literally cant see what you mean. They might as well exist in a different light spectrum than other types of more or less sane people.

 

They just parrot stuff as if these propagandized sayings are the wisdom of the universe, run and attack, curl up in a little ball and sob or do malicious damage to property. They go berserk if you keep verbally pushing the dose not compute.

 

Deal with them about the same way you would a heavens gate type cultist and avoid them or stick to the weather otherwise though its not, its like attacking a zealots religion. They cant put things in perspective because they have none.

 

This has nothing to do with the republican or democratic party at its core, both have had some good and bad ideas, its an outbreak. An epidemic of insanity. A partial national outbreak of group delusion and petty mass Hysteria.

Edited January 1, 2018 by skyquest32

[TheMastersSon]

The new Michael Wolff book looks interesting imo, Trump's lawyers tried to stop its publication. Among other things it confirms Trump never even wished to be our president when he announced and ran. The info agrees with previous stories published just after Trump entered the race. A campaign manager said Trump was entering as a protest candidate and specifically asked her to "do whatever it takes to make me finish in second". So he's simply a shill candidate, intended to beat Hillary Clinton (since no actual Republican stood a chance in the last election), and make way shortly thereafter (or whenever he finally tires of waving his genitals at everyone, whichever occurs last) for the RNC's actual candidate, Mike Pence. Who apparently does wish to be our president. How much you wanna bet Trump is out of office by this summer?

 

According to Wolff's book, Trump "turned white as a ghost" on election night when his win was declared, and his wife started crying. "Not tears of joy" again according to Wolff and apparently everyone else who was in the room at the time. If true it explains quite a bit imo, his performance in office after one year is certainly indicative of a president who doesn't care about much of anything except continuous satiation of his own ego. Certainly not representing or serving the people. I think he's doing anything and everything possible to get himself out of office, it's true from our internet to Jerusalem. Every single day it's yet another round of global embarrassments and pointless, entirely counterproductive tirades, spite tantrums and agendas. Today it's California and Pakistan, in that order:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/05/trump-has-declared-war-on-california-state-defiant-as-white-house-take-aim

 

Just what the people want, CA and FL (among others) coastal waters opened for oil drilling. Instead of spending the final $30B that Lockheed-Martin says will get us to viable commercial fusion power plants. Whatever it takes to alienate as many people as possible. At this point Trump has managed to alienate virtually everyone, even our own FBI, DOJ, even flipping Steve Bannon is calling him a traitor:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/03/donald-trump-russia-steve-bannon-michael-wolff

 

Meanwhile the inaction by our Republican-led Congress to replace our current unfit leader with a fit one is spelling their doom across our country according to polls. Like Tom Cruise once said, the only problem with being #1 is that only one direction is possible. Now that the R's have contrived their way (literally true, from our SCOTUS to our president) to complete control of our federal government, nothing remains for this control except for it to effortlessly decay into fascism and absolute chaos. Between the travel bans, refugee bans, war mongering, wall building, non-stop anger tirades and attack/vengeance on his political opponents, which are pretty much everybody now etc etc, can someone explain the practical difference between Trump and Hitler? I mean aside from gas chambers? Why does our Congress do nothing, while one man with no prior experience in public office and who didn't even get a majority of the popular vote leads us to certain catastrophe if not our final demise? Simply astonishing to watch imo.

Edited January 9, 2018 by TheMastersSon

[skyquest32]

Tom Cruise, dude really? You quoiting eccentric celebrities to validate political opinion? ''a writer or philosopher I can buy, but being Lestat in that Anne rice film was probly the highest point in the mans life and hes also...well lets not go there I am not that low'' Wonder what charlie sheen would say? Probably Winning! President Trumps got/not got tigerblood! That always sounded like a ice cone flavor to me. Trump and Hilter, yeah you guys have lost all perspective, reading this actually makes me head hurt. There is literally no point in debating with you.

Maybe talking about non pc issues but not about this activism.

 

Message Paid for by: the Lestat de lioncourt for president campaign!..and remember our slogan: Inflation really bites but Hillery's integrity absolutely sucked!

Edited January 11, 2018 by skyquest32

[TheMastersSon]

Stupidity really is infinite punishment. Not that I expected any more on a gaming site. So please try and remember Hillary's awful lack of integrity as Mr. Trump enters us into WWIII for no good reason other than to satiate his gargantuan arrogance and ego.

 

Actually there is one major reason Trump is forcibly sending us to our final destruction: we're bankrupt and now the greatest debtor nation in human history, with no possible way of repaying what we owe except by our great-grandkids, and theoretically. So our federal government is already collapsed and failed, and the primary justification for its continued existence beyond its de facto bankruptcy is now "security" in the form of war and constant threat of war. So you better believe the Third Reich analogies being made around the world are more than called for, in many respects they're truly astonishing. The world has decided en masse that we are evil and must be destroyed. Just like Nazi Germany.

 

"Wherever the standard of freedom and independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will recommend the general cause, by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example.

 

"She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself, beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force. The frontlet upon her brows would no longer beam with the ineffable splendor of freedom and independence; but in its stead would soon be substituted an imperial diadem, flashing in false and tarnished lustre the murky radiance of dominion and power. She might become the dictatress of the world: she would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit."

 

-- John Quincy Adams, 7/4/1821

 

Adams gave this speech to Congress, immediately after reading our Declaration of Independence from start to finish.

Edited January 13, 2018 by TheMastersSon

[PkSanTi]

I am from a poor country. Just a couple of decades ago, we suffered the most violent and cruel dictatorship in the history of the country; 30.000 people are disappeared and not found till today, and lot more were killed or persecuted by political reasons. I myself have relatives who were interrogated (this means tortured), and relatives living in exile since then, whom I never met in person (they left before I was born). This was only one of the many dictatorships we suffered (more than ten, more or less violent depending to the case), which is a lot considering that my country has barely more than 200 years of history. Practically, the whole XX century were dictatorships.

 

Most of these dictatorships, and particularly the last one, were financially and military supported by the USA governments, since they could sell weapons to the military governments over here, and also because all this governments had the common characteristic of being anti-communist and neo-liberal -which means they would accept any deal USA would offer, and benefit multinationals coming from the United States-. In short terms, USA supported and actively participated in the disappearance of over 30.000 people and the death and exile of many others only in my country (not to count others countries who suffered the same) for economical purposes. The world hasn't decide that you are evil and must be destroyed; you are the destroyers. And you are evil, in the perception of most of the countries. What I'm trying to say is, this is not just something the world "has decided": it's the consequence of a long-term international policy of interference and war.

 

I loathe USA policies. But do I think you have to be destroyed? No, I don't. Not even when the USA has destroyed lot of countries, under the idea of freedom (since when freedom comes with international interference, political impositions and death?). Because I know -this is hard for me, but I do know it- that not all american people are like this. Not all american people invaded Vietnam, the Middle East and supported the exile and death of many families, including mine. I must, in order to be fair, realise that there's no identity between the US government and the US people. You folks have gave the world John Cheever, Noam Chomsky and Walt Whitman. How would I want you to disappear? How would I hate every american?

 

What I am trying to say is: in countries such as mine, that suffered your invasions and interference constantly, both of which never brought anything but death and misery to us, people do hate you, but they have a human reason to do so. I, myself, do not want you to disappear, but sadly, in this case, I am an exception. And with this current president of yours, people are starting to get more and more defensive, and to worry for you much more. So, what I want to say last, is PLEASE be careful with your votes. You murdered our presidents, contributed to the death and exile of our families, and thrown us to ruin not once, not twice, but many times through our history, and my country is not even a conflict-zone currently. So yes, the world is getting tired of this abuse, and it's very likely that someday there'll be a reaction. Perhaps North Korean president attacking, perhaps not. I sure hope that doesn't ever happen. But you must know that, if we, outside, don't like you, there's a reason; and that the USA must change their exterior policy in order to preserve itself. Otherwise, you won't be able to repress the world without consequences much longer, and nothing good will come out of that for you neither for the rest of the world. But that probably won't happen: USA will continue with their traditional outside policy and continue to create war and chaos. I just hope that people is aware, like me, that the american people must not pay for the wrong deeds of the american government. I'm worried for the world and for the USA people, because death should not be paid with more death.

Edited January 13, 2018 by PkSanTi

[TheMastersSon]

Points noted, and you've explained my motivation for the mass replacement idea. Because I literally have no other solution for our problem, which is intentional political inaction and deadlock by a two-party cartel that keeps itself in power by this very same intentional blame and polarization on every issue. With Trump, the finger pointing and politics of personal destruction now extend even to losers of presidential races. Apparently winning wasn't good enough for him. Ok, so let's have Hillary quartered by wild horses. Now what? Find somebody else to attack? Or do we get to address any of our country's actual problems now? So the actual and underlying problem is that Donald Trump is a raging and altogether politically incompetent a**hole who continuously redefines the precise opposite of leadership.

 

If the Republicans have proven anything beyond any doubt since Reagan, it's that the party, in its current state of ongoing uncivil war between their traditional, small-government libertarians and war mongering, borrow-and-spend, multinational traitor neocons, is incapable of anything other than political obstruction and attack of their claimed political opponents. And the Democrats, even when given the reigns to implement change, as occurred under Obama's administration, do nothing at all. In an interview, when asked why our House didn't advance the DNC agenda when it had the chance, Nancy Pelosi basically said they feared "voter backlash". By the same voters who put them there in the first place?

 

So there we have it. Our two and only choices under the status quo are certain eventual collapse if not destruction from the Republicans, and either Bernie Sanders socialism or no leadership whatsoever from the Democrats. Meanwhile 300 million Americans are utterly disenfranchised from their own paid employees, we continue rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic even as the last of the ship disappears under the waves.

Edited January 13, 2018 by TheMastersSon

[PkSanTi]

Not seldom I see you here on the debates forum, TheMastersSon, and you strike me as a reasonable guy. It must be hard be a compromised and sensible north-american this days, with the current situation. I can do nothing but understand you and hope for the best :/

 

I just don't want to let resentment get in the way of reason; nobody should wish the USA people disappeared. Where I am from, we know pretty much about disappearances: not a cool deal. The only way, as we both said, for that to happen, is to see a change in north-american exterior policy, which seems unlikely. So let's just hope for the best :/

[HeyYou]

Neither party has any of the answers. They aren't in the business of providing solutions. They are in the business of lining their own pockets. NONE of them have the best interests of the country as a whole at heart, only their own interests.

 

Nothing is going to change until we get the money out of washington. The only folks that can change that are the very same people that don't WANT it to change. That would remove their gravy train. So, nothing is going to change. We are going to continue on this course, until the rest of the world figures out that we can't pay our debts, and then the whole house of cards is going to come crashing down.