PrometheusTS Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Actually I woudl make the front legs much smaller , and slender , it looks like you placed front the rear legs... check some anatomy of ancient dinosaurs perhaps... http://paleobiology.si.edu/dinosaurs/images/info/brakcer1.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntsman2310 Posted December 23, 2011 Author Share Posted December 23, 2011 Fantasy Dragons are not ancient Dinosaurs. The reason I decided to copy the back legs is three fold 1. I won't need to make my own animation for it. Decreasing work load and amount of time.2. It gives it a much more bestial look.3. It doesn't really matter to me which ways the front kness face. Although I will probably make the front a bit thinner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghogiel Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Fantasy Dragons are not ancient Dinosaurs. The reason I decided to copy the back legs is three fold 1. I won't need to make my own animation for it. Decreasing work load and amount of time.Seeing as no animal actually has legs like that in Skyrim...at what point wouldn't you have to animate it :unsure: It seems to me that needs attention, even if you rigged it to some existing skeleton, it'll be o_O when the front knees start to bend the wrong way. To me it just looks weird and I dare say weirder if using a vanilla rig and animation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanwh Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 (edited) Yes it looks awkward and will move is more weirdly but its fantasy so its okay. Any critiques you have, "its fantasy, they're not dinosaurs, so its okay". Nice feedback thread. Dragon mythology is directly linked to ancient people discovering dinosaur bones, so the structure of a dinosaur is worth observing when designing a dragon. Edited December 23, 2011 by ryanwh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matth85 Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 (edited) but its fantasy so its okayNo, not really. If somethng looks akward, it looks akward. No matter what it is. We are humans, we are real. If we see something that is not logical, or bound to the physics of our world, we will react. A good example is shadow and lightning: If you see a shadow that is wrongly placed compared to the light source, you will see it akward. You might not know exactly what is wrong, but you will notice something is wrong. Another example will be tileability: If I model a wall where the bricks line up 100%, but the bricks themself are worn out and give the feeling this is ancient, you will notice something is wrong. Your eye will see a pattern in the tileability, even if your head won't. Also, dragons got anatomy. Dragons, and other fantasy creatures, are not random stuff with a name. They are as real as you can get them theoretically, but they are not real in our world. If you google "Dragon Anatomy" you will find countless sites and pictures that got the same core of information. Dragons got bones, internal organs, muscles and everything a normal animal got. It is the same reason I can not make a rock and call it an orc, or make a cat and call it a dragon. They are concepts, albeit loose, that got anatomy. Heck, with the information that is set on certain fantasy creatures, they could be real. Of course, we know they are not, but a dragon is almost as well documented as any animal. My point being "lol its fantasy, its cool! whatevz" doesn't work on certain things. Famous fantasy animals got lore and anatomy bound up to them. There is a reason we got "Wyvern", "Dragon" and "Drake" and "Whelp". They are all different, but they all come from the same concept.For thoose who wondered: Dragon got 4 legs and wings.Wyvern got 2 legs and wings, where the wings act as legs.Drake is a wingless dragon.Whelp is a baby dragon. Most likely they resemble a small drake untill their wing grows. No, this is not me throwing out random stuff. Dragons have been used as a creature since the age of the Vikings. Edited December 23, 2011 by Matth85 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanwh Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Your sarcasm detector needs a tuneup. I couldn't have been more unsubtle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matth85 Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Your sarcasm detector needs a tuneup. I couldn't have been more unsubtle. Funny, since you know there are no ways to show sarcasm over the internet? What you write is what is understood, not what you mean. Yes it looks awkward and will move is more weirdly but its fantasy so its okay. Any critiques you have, "its fantasy, they're not dinosaurs, so its okay". Nice feedback threadScreams serious to me, or bad english. You can choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghogiel Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Dragon got 4 legs and wings.Wyvern got 2 legs and wings, where the wings act as legs.Drake is a wingless dragon.Whelp is a baby dragon. Most likely they resemble a small drake untill their wing grows. No, this is not me throwing out random stuff. Dragons have been used as a creature since the age of the Vikings. A drake is a fairy. And when it's a dragon.. well it's a dragon. And since have to have wings? In mythology they hardly ever have wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matth85 Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 (edited) A drake is a fairy. And when it's a dragon.. well it's a dragon. And since have to have wings? In mythology they hardly ever have wings. A drake is a small looking dragon without wings. This is slightly loose, since any Eastern dragon got no wings. This is the term used by most western people though.And a Western Dragon got wings. In the eastern culture they usually do not got wings, which we all know. Of course this is all loose terms, but it is what I've learned throughout the years, and what google agrees with me on. I do know the Vikings used dragons ase a symbol. Wether it had wings or not there is irrelevant: as it had to fit both their ship and arcitecture. My terms, or the ones I know of, are all western based. Which is because I am not from the East, and got no connection there. I also know Skyrim is based off the area I live in, meaning the terms should be somewhat Western.Of course, in Skyrim they call Wyvern Dragons. For some reason. EDIT: Forgot to add -- all the terms are based on whatever part of the world you are. Where I live my terms stand true, but if we go to another part of the world a drake could be a fairy, a wyvern a dragon and whelp becomes baby dragon. But as I said, Skyrim is based off a certain part of the world I live in, and the terms that we use here. Edited December 23, 2011 by Matth85 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrometheusTS Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Yes it looks awkward and will move is more weirdly but its fantasy so its okay. Any critiques you have, "its fantasy, they're not dinosaurs, so its okay". Nice feedback thread. Dragon mythology is directly linked to ancient people discovering dinosaur bones, so the structure of a dinosaur is worth observing when designing a dragon.Indeed but also , Bethesda portrayed the dinosaurs in a very belieavable form , there was once a documentary made by a Biologist to study the hypothesis if Dragons really lived woudl they be Scientifically plausible? and if so how woudl they look like? Well it ends that they woudl look a lot like The Bethesda Dragons , the only difference woudl be in the wings span , they would have much bigger wings , probably the double of the actual size and a bit larger belly to store the gas for the combustion .... and Yes even the breath fire woudl be plausible under certain biologic circustamces , not sure for the frost touch as it wasn't touched ad topic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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