Why Trump Won

[TheMastersSon]

Aurielius, point noted about Obama, and personally I can't decide whether I'm more glad Hillary lost than sad that Trump won. I get the same feeling from a lot of people about this election, the choices this time reached some kind of all-time nadir for our country, and I think lots of people believe our federal government and the current USA (as the USSR before it) is headed for certain permanent extinction in the very near future, regardless of who sits in the White House pretending to make a difference. Economically we're doomed to eventual collapse as long as the hemorrhaging of our treasury continues to enslaved markets, unless someone wishes to claim it's possible for Americans (or the British, Germans etc) to make a living by earning $3/hour, and operate our industries with no environmental protection or concern whatsoever, and with our nine year-old kids tethered to workstations for 10 hours every day, with no individual civil or human rights etc etc etc. The scam has continued regardless of party since Nixon, and Trump represents the first claimed threat to our ongoing and imo intentional destruction. But his victory was bad news primarily for establishment Republicans, not Democrats, because R's are now unable to spend the next four (or eight) years doing nothing except attacking Hillary and trying to remove her from office, as with her husband.

 

We'll see how long it takes the same machine of personal destruction to rev up against Trump, if it becomes necessary. E.g. see if anything comes from all his rhetoric about China, and if the word "tariffs" is involved it's an outright scam. Unlike everyone else, China dictates the value range of their own currency and thus tariffs are of less than no use. They accomplish nothing except to raise prices for everyone. Trump already knows this, yet he continues proposing tariffs as a solution to our China problem. He's therefore yet another tool of the multinationals imo and mouthpiece for the ongoing scam. So my advice is to buy gold with any USD holdings you might have left, after 40 years of trying to compete with a monolithic government-business alliance of over a billion enslaved people. Last I checked over three-quarters of American families are now surviving from paycheck to paycheck, our middle class is already history and GDP-wise we're about to become a banana republic for 1.5 billion Communists.

Edited November 11, 2016 by TheMastersSon

[bluesunmerc]

Just some food for thought. Maybe if everyone cared so much about US politics as they do right now then maybe our government wouldn't be in the shape it is in now. As with anything people will complain for a few weeks and then no one except the ones who cant accept change will care.

All I really have to say on the matter is pro Trump, Hillary, or third party we now have riots in streets and kids in schools beating each other up simply because they supported one candidate or the other. http://www.infowars.com/video-high-school-girl-viciously-attacked-for-supporting-donald-trump/

 

This is the example we are setting for our children, but in the age of the internet where voicing your opinions on anything can lead to death threats maybe I shouldn't be so surprised.

[Beriallord]

This coming from a guy who cannot source or backup a single thing that he says with reputable facts.

 

 

Most of your supposed "facts" is either quoted from biased media sources, (I actually looked at most) or is bringing up stuff we've already heard blasted on TV screens for months now. Most of it isn't even worth replying to.

 

You even resorted to butchering my quotes out of context. Like with Hadrians wall, lol. When your argument is just because the Romans couldn't do it with Hadrians wall, we somehow can't do it either in 2016.

 

Your argument is a wall is somehow pointless if there are any vulnerabilities/alternative methods. Based on your comments. The ones asking for a better wall, better border security aren't doing so with the expectation of complete invulnerability. And this isn't about right now. So what if illegal immigration is down at the moment? A new wall would provide many decades of security. During good economic times and bad. During increased and decreased periods of illegal immigration. I don't see why I should even have to explain this, but it's clear you don't get it.

 

 

You did not even know that Japan and South Korea had their own militaries and yet you lecture about foreign policy and how to prevent global conflict, touting your

 

I never claimed they didn't have a military. Neither country has a large enough military, or a big enough deterrent to keep someone like China or North Korea from rolling them over. They're going to need to build their own militaries up to defend themselves, or cover our expenditures, like 100% or close to it for us to do it. These aren't poor, 3rd world countries. They got plenty of money.

 

 

All you have is the internet fan boi 'U MAD BRO' mentality, how original.

 

I do think the reactions of the left are hilarious. I have absolute zero regard for their emotional stability, or concerns. I can only react to their rage with laughter at this point. And most Trump voters are laughing as much as I am. When they go out in the streets and smash cars (in their own areas, LOL) and burn American Flags, I can barely contain the laughter. My sides are literally HURTING from all the laughing since Trump got elected. I haven't laughed as much in the last 3 years combined as I have in the last week.

Edited November 11, 2016 by Beriallord

[Beriallord]

Here is a take somewhere from the middle ground. Meaning not a traditional Republican. The guy is an atheist.

 

There is cursing in the below video. It's not intended for people easily offended. But he brings up a lot of good points about the reaction of the left.

 

Edited November 12, 2016 by Beriallord

[Signette]

I sincerely want to congratulate all Americans with election of Donald Trump as your new President. America will be great again, I'm sure of it, and I really wanted him to win, but didn't believe he could. This country has some incredible capabilities for intrigue, both in Hollywood and real, political life. I don't think president elections could ever be more exciting anywhere than they were in US, as entire world was speaking only about this event for the last two weeks non-stop.

 

Hopefully this man will hold at least 10% of his promises (very unlikely, but still) and some internal policy will change for the best. I'm 100% sure external political course won't change one bit, you can mark my words on it.

 

Don't know about you, but for me every news report or press conference with Trump would be quite exciting and I'm sure a lot of fun to watch.

 

P.S. To all greasy headed white guys: please don't assassinate Trump, he's good guy, I'm telling you.

[TheMastersSon]

The fact that the rhetoric has gone from "keep America great" to "America will be great again" says more than I ever could. It's over as long as multinational traitors control our feds' pursestrings. And they still do after this election.

 

Also imo we now elect presidents based on their maximum viewer ratings potential for SNL skits and Fox News. Probably in that order.

Edited November 12, 2016 by TheMastersSon

[Beriallord]

It's over as long as multinational traitors control our feds' pursestrings. And they still do after this election.

 

I'm sorta in agreement here. I think the Federal Reserve needs to be shut down, and US government should print its own money. I feel like that's a bipartisan issue. Trump does support an audit of the Federal Reserve though.

 

Last time such a bill was brought up it was pushed by Ron Paul originally, and passed the house with overwhelming majority. But it got stone walled by Harry Reid and the Democrats.

 

It's possible such a measure could pass under the Trump administration. Unless the Democrats filibuster it. But why would they be so afraid of a simple fed audit?

Edited November 12, 2016 by Beriallord

[Aurielius]

Having read through the entire thread the essential question has not really been answered imo.

The reason Trump won and HRC lost , is the 'fly over states' which HRC took for granted and Trump did not. These states are the same ones that Obama dimisively referred to as 'clinging to their guns and the Bible', forgetting that at one time they were the core of Democratic voting pool. At one time the Democratic Party was the champion of the little man versus corporate America....no longer. Through wiki leaks we learned in what contempt the inner circle of the DNC held the working class, Catholics and even the far left of their own party. Oddly enough the party of FDR now is more in line with the coastal elites than their former base. What astonished me was when HRC told West Virginians that coal was a dead industry and would be fazed out....talk about being tone deaf to the interests of her former constituents. Last but by no means least Americans were tired of the more than forty years of scandals dogging the Clintons, she and now even Bill have lost the teflon quality that allowed them to push past incidents that would have resulted in indictments for lesser mortals.

[HeyYou]

Having read through the entire thread the essential question has not really been answered imo.

The reason Trump won and HRC lost , is the 'fly over states' which HRC took for granted and Trump did not. These states are the same ones that Obama dimisively referred to as 'clinging to their guns and the Bible', forgetting that at one time they were the core of Democratic voting pool. At one time the Democratic Party was the champion of the little man versus corporate America....no longer. Through wiki leaks we learned in what contempt the inner circle of the DNC held the working class, Catholics and even the far left of their own party. Oddly enough the party of FDR now is more in line with the coastal elites than their former base. What astonished me was when HRC told West Virginians that coal was a dead industry and would be fazed out....talk about being tone deaf to the interests of her former constituents. Last but by no means least Americans were tired of the more than forty years of scandals dogging the Clintons, she and now even Bill have lost the teflon quality that allowed them to push past incidents that would have resulted in indictments for lesser mortals.

Basically, I think the american public was tired of the 'business as usual' thing going on in DC, regardless of which party was in charge. Trump is an outsider, with no real political affiliations...... He has ideas that a pretty good percentage of americans agree with.... Hilary, not so much. She was just another one of the political elite, and promised the same agenda as Obama. Her idea of a 'no-fly zone' in Syria would pretty much guarantee a confrontation with Russia...... I am thinkin' they would be somewhat less than impressed if we shot down one of their aircraft.......

[TheMastersSon]

Having read through the entire thread the essential question has not really been answered imo.

The reason Trump won and HRC lost , is the 'fly over states' which HRC took for granted and Trump did not. These states are the same ones that Obama dimisively referred to as 'clinging to their guns and the Bible', forgetting that at one time they were the core of Democratic voting pool. At one time the Democratic Party was the champion of the little man versus corporate America....no longer. Through wiki leaks we learned in what contempt the inner circle of the DNC held the working class, Catholics and even the far left of their own party. Oddly enough the party of FDR now is more in line with the coastal elites than their former base. What astonished me was when HRC told West Virginians that coal was a dead industry and would be fazed out....talk about being tone deaf to the interests of her former constituents. Last but by no means least Americans were tired of the more than forty years of scandals dogging the Clintons, she and now even Bill have lost the teflon quality that allowed them to push past incidents that would have resulted in indictments for lesser mortals.

IMO virtually anyone would have done as well against Hillary as Trump. Her downfall is that the more she talks, the less people like her, it's been true her entire political career. This is not to say she's a bad person, or that I think as much, but her objective record as Sec. of State for four years can only be called something between non-existent and disastrous, and imo it would have been a very similar presidency. I agree that Trump won because he represents the only possible change in (or at least shaking up of) our status quo, but personally I think either all or virtually all of his campaign rhetoric will be completely forgotten within a matter of hours after he takes office.

 

Good point about the flyover states imo.

 

Also, credit where it's due imo: the objective record also shows our current president has kept more of his campaign promises than any president in our history.

Edited November 13, 2016 by TheMastersSon