Just when you think it's working...(CTD on load)

[Varichi]

Hey guys, I'm posting here because I'm getting CTDs on loading screens (again...).

 

It is definitely not a memory issue, or a missing esp or other data issue. I was in the middle of the last Companion quest to clear the Tomb of Ysgramor. I finished that quest, explored around a bit, saved the game, and exited. No issues.

 

However, when I try to load any of my saves, they crash after a few seconds. I have NOT changed my load order at all since saving. I have a few saves that work from the middle point of Ysgramor's Tomb (where the spiders are) and any saves from before that point seem to work just fine. Any save I've made after that point, whether it be in the Tomb itself or after three hours of playing and ending up somewhere else, crashes on loading. I've tried three times to make a new group of saves from the last working one, but none of them work.

 

I've been trying to upload my crash dmp file to that reader site but it just sticks on the upload and doesn't work, otherwise I'd put it up here. I do have quite a few mods, but again, the game didn't crash out (I exited normally) and was working completely fine right before this without me changing anything.

 

Does anyone have any idea what would cause a normally functioning game to all of a sudden not load saves, despite the mod list not changing? Skyrim not having a crash viewer is the most counterintuitive slice of futile idiocy in the whole expanse of the cosmos.

 

Thank you in advance for the time anyone takes to try and help me out.

[ymf331]

usleep fixes the location data for there. i know of a couple mods that change it to a different dungeon, but i don't know if that would make the game crash or not. there's some options for crash logging in the crash fixes ini you might try.

Edited November 22, 2016 by ymf331

[Varichi]

Thank you for the response, ymf331. I use USLEEP already, but what do you mean by options in the crash fixes .ini?

[ymf331]

well usleep sets the location data correctly, but i know at least elfx and realistic water two change it to something else entirely and would overwrite that. crash fixes comes with a configuration file in which you can set some variables, and one of them is for crash logging. when the game crashes it puts a report in the skse folder.

 

edit: also you can set up skse.ini to make a crash dump, but that would have to be machine translated to give any sort of helpful information. assuming your problem is because of some records conflicting, either way you'd get at least a formid to check out in xedit and try to find some clue what sort of conflict you (might) have that causes the crash.

Edited November 23, 2016 by ymf331

[Varichi]

Alright. I'm using the skse crash log (that can't be translated by that site everyone seems to use). I will try the Crash Fixes logger to see if there's anything there.

I doubt that Water and ELFX, which I use, have to do with the crashes, just because the cell placement doesn't seem to be the problem. The crash is not in that cell, nor is it limited to any specific cell or set of cells. It just seems to happen no matter what save I load after that point.

EDIT: Well, I got the crash log. It was pretty useless to me though. I couldn't make much sense of it. Is there a good place to have it looked at? It's only about two lines long, and another paragraph of irrelevant stuff (don't post unless asked). I'll go ahead and attach it just in case:

 

 

Crash info:
2016_11_23_13-46-19 - 6DC2B9: V(1); EAX(58); EBX(0); ECX(0); EDX(3); ESI(2DBF4D68); EDI(18F760); EBP(2DBF4E64); ESP(18F65C); STACK(670152 67BE82 D6D26F 737365 10076BC);

Not so useful info (don't post unless asked):
STACK_FULL(0 2DBF4D68 4612FF98 131BE218 670152 0 2DBF4D68 0 0 3E 8000000 42700000 3 1E733E0 10CF82C 2DBF4D68 0 18F760 0 18F6D8 0 0 0 1275FE8 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 67BE82 18F760 131BE218 35B4DC70 18FA60 0 467B3C50 19485 2DBF4D68 0 0 8B040000 80000000 467B3C50 1DD2D458 569FF01 80000002 2 0 0 0 0 0 1E733E0 0 0 0 107B614 DED0008 1E73864 34A59 217 202 8B040000 DD 217 2DBF4D68 8000000 0 4A410000 1B9E9C4 1C2DF94 25671 2F5F3 6ECF8 D6D26F 9 E 5 34041 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 569FF30 18F8D8 0 0 0 1243758 56901FC 0 5690150 5690000 0 0 0 1243758 6F 0 1 65766153 33393320 202D2033 206C6F53 69766E49 73757463 69572020 7473646E 4D206461 726F6E61 33322020 37352E32 2E36352E 737365 56F1B28 0 4000004 0 56F1BA8 56F2F90 56910E0 20 5690000 80000 56F1B28 18F990 775B3001 5690138 775B2FDD C0 56911B8 C0 56911B8 56911B8 C0 56911B8 18F904 6B947096 6B94709E 18F910 6B947096 6B94709E C79E2000 0 C0 6B9908C0 0 6B9908C0 C0 18F90C 6B9470D2 56911C4 18F94C 6B941FE8 3 6B941FDF C79E205C 1 6B981A80 0 18F958 1 18F91C AC1173D0 18F9A4 696E6144 2D206C65 2F313120 322F3332 20363130 343A3331 31313A36 5845202C 65562045 6F697372 31203A6E 332E392E 2C302E32 76615320 65562065 6F697372 2E39206E 6B003437 C79E20A4 56BD8C8 56BD8C8 56BE0F0 0 18F988 18FCDC 18FCDC 6B93CF60 AC1171C0 FFFFFFFE 6B939F07 6B936883 6B981A80 18F9C8 6B936517 18F9DC 6B9365F4 6B98B768 0 10076BC 18FA34 6B930591 5 6B9676BC 18F9F8 6B931597 6B9676BC 131BE218 35B4DC70 0 6B93371B FFFFFFFF 3 6B9628A8 0 56BE0F0 56BD8C8 6B9628A8 2 33 35B4DC70 131BE218 18FA60 6B92656C 0 2 6B92657D 35B4DC70 0 1345E2B0 35B4DC70 0);

 

[ymf331]

mind posting your plugins with the hex ordering from loot? the main thing the crash report tells you is that the error involved an unnamed worldspace at -35, -9.

Edited November 23, 2016 by ymf331

[Varichi]

Thank you for your time, ymf331. Even if this ends up not being successful, I do appreciate your time in helping me.

Here is my load order from LOOT. Please let me know what else you may need or if you would like any clarification. I have been doing this for a little while, but the depth of knowledge has been severely tested by this issue.

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Dawnguard.esm

3 3 HearthFires.esm

4 4 Dragonborn.esm

5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp

6 6 Falskaar.esm

7 7 Wyrmstooth.esp

8 8 Unique Flowers & Plants.esm

9 9 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

10 a Nock2Tip.esm

11 b Campfire.esm

12 c ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

13 d JSwords.esm

14 e ApachiiHair.esm

15 f ApachiiHairFemales.esm

16 10 EFFCore.esm

17 11 moonpath.esm

18 12 Omegared99-Compilation.esm

19 13 Dustbound.esm

20 14 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

21 15 Differently Ebony.esp

22 16 Tamriel Reloaded HD.esp

23 17 ELFX - Exteriors.esp

24 18 EquipmentStateCopy&Rename.esp

25 19 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - default.esp

26 1a Original Opening Scene.esp

27 1b SC_hairs.esp

28 1c SkyUI.esp

29 1d VioLens.esp

30 1e TR HD no grass no trees.esp

31 1f ELFX - Dawnguard.esp

32 20 immersive roads.esp

33 21 3DNPC.esp

34 22 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

35 23 Merge3-Weapons, Armor.esp

36 24 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

37 25 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

38 26 Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp

39 27 Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp

40 28 CASM.esp

41 29 WetandCold.esp

42 2a WetandCold - Ashes.esp

43 2b ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp

44 2c Cleric Armours - Credo.esp

45 2d Omegared99-WeaponSets.esp

46 2e Thanatos Dragonx.esp

47 2f ELFX - Dragonborn.esp

48 30 Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp

49 31 Real Wildlife Skyrim 0.1.esp

50 32 Immersive Jewelry.esp

51 33 SoS - Combined.esp

52 34 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp

53 35 FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp

54 36 WhitePhialReplacer.esp

55 37 Saeri_Khajiit_Hair.esp

56 38 WondersofWeather.esp

57 39 ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-1.esp

58 3a ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp

59 3b Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp

60 3c dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

61 3d dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

62 3e Supreme Fog - CoT.esp

63 3f Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - lvl-2.esp

64 40 ISCompendium Enhanced Blood Patch.esp

65 41 Beasts of Tamriel.esp

66 42 Coins of Tamriel V3 Legendary Edition.esp

67 43 ELFXEnhancer.esp

68 44 RealShelter.esp

69 45 Helgen Reborn.esp

70 46 Merge2.esp

71 47 SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB + FS + WT.esp

72 48 NPCs Protected and Uncapped.esp

73 49 RBB - New Lands Merge.esp

74 4a Merge7b.esp

75 4b OpulentThievesGuild.esp

76 4c RevampedExteriorFog.esp

77 4d ENB Snow FX.esp

78 4e Coins of Tamriel V3 Legendary Edition - Wyrmstooth patch.esp

79 4f Elemental Destruction.esp

80 50 FireAndIceOverhaul.esp

81 51 DeadlySpellImpacts.esp

82 52 TrueStorms.esp

83 53 TrueStorms-ClimatesOfTamriel.esp

84 54 FNIS.esp

85 55 Painkiller's_Hrothmund's_Axe.esp

86 56 AnnaNPCs.esp

87 57 Birdsofskyrim.esp

88 58 Merge8.esp

89 59 Immersive Weapons.esp

90 5a WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp

91 5b Lore Weapon Expansion.esp

92 5c Unique Unique.esp

93 5d Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp

94 5e Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp

95 5f MoonAndStar_MAS.esp

96 60 Merge6 - Misc.esp

97 61 Unique Places.esp

98 62 SkyHavenTemple'sGlory1.3.esp

99 63 Holidays.esp

100 64 BetterDGEntrance.esp

101 65 SkyrimsUniqueTreasures.esp

102 66 AnnaNPCs-AndunielsMeadery.esp

103 67 Inconsequential NPCs.esp

104 68 Atvir.esp

105 69 Merge4-Weapons, Armors.esp

106 6a SkyFalls DB + FS Small Waterfalls.esp

107 6b Glass Variants.esp

108 6c Inigo.esp

109 6d Merge9.esp

110 6e The Honored Dead.esp

111 6f Cloaks.esp

112 70 ExtraBlades.esp

113 71 LC_immersiveLoot.esp

114 72 MergeSet2.esp

115 73 UniqueBorderGates-All.esp

116 74 NorthernCardinal.esp

117 75 Merged Treasures.esp

118 76 JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp

119 77 TCOSS.esp

120 78 Immersive Patrols II.esp

121 79 SL99Exchanger.esp

122 7a SL99Exchanger_Patch_Immersive Jewelry.esp

123 7b CerwidenCompanion.esp

124 7c ELFX - NoBreezehome.esp

125 7d Unique Uniques.esp

126 7e 1nivWICCloaks.esp

127 7f EFFDialogue.esp

128 80 ogDiverseDragons2.esp

129 81 Animallica.esp

130 82 Better Vampires.esp

131 83 AgentOfRighteousMight.esp

132 84 Nock2Tip.esp

133 85 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

134 86 Beautiful Whiterun.esp

135 87 The Huntsman.esp

136 88 Armored Circlets.esp

137 89 HothFollower.esp

138 8a SFO - Dragonborn.esp

139 8b Merge5 - Experimental1.esp

140 8c Darrow.esp

141 8d WheelsOfLull.esp

142 8e MzarkWonders.esp

143 8f Thorald GreyMane.esp

144 90 Throthgar Follower.esp

145 91 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

146 92 AK- Buyable Paintings and Pictures.esp

147 93 FishingInSkyrim.esp

148 94 Immersive Music Temples.esp

149 95 Immersive Music.esp

150 96 ESFAela.esp

151 97 JoOsSkyrimKnightlyArmory.esp

152 98 Nimra's Goat.esp

153 99 My Home Is Your Home.esp

154 9a Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp

155 9b RealisticWhiterun.esp

156 9c Lore Weapon Expansion - Goldbrand.esp

157 9d ImprovedFishBASIC.esp

158 9e Nithhogg Dragon.esp

159 9f Lore Weapon Expansion - Daedric Crescent.esp

160 a0 aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp

161 a1 TorchArrow-Dawnguard.esp

162 a2 RBB - Row Boats - Hearthfire Hotfix.esp

163 a3 RealisticWaterTwo.esp

164 a4 SoS - Patches.esp

165 a5 AOS.esp

166 a6 RealisticWaterTwoPatches.esp

167 a7 Darkend.esp

168 a8 Odvar.esp

169 a9 Apocalypse - Dragonborn Staff Crafting.esp

170 aa Painting In Skyrim.esp

171 ab Lore Weapon Expansion - Relics of the Crusader.esp

172 ac VL No AoE Drain.esp

173 ad 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp

174 ae Coins of Tamriel V3 Legendary Edition - Falskaar patch.esp

175 af Beards.esp

176 b0 RaceMenu.esp

177 b1 RaceMenuPlugin.esp

178 b2 RaceMenuOverlays.esp

179 b3 Immersive Dragon Sounds.esp

180 b4 KJ Lore Tattoos 4K.esp

181 b5 KJ Tattoos 4K.esp

182 b6 Elisif Makeover.esp

183 b7 JaxonzEnhGrab.esp

184 b8 BHWarPaints.esp

185 b9 TheCoenaculiMALE.esp

186 ba KS Hairdo's.esp

187 bb Realistic HD Beverages.esp

188 bc Inconsequential NPCs - Enhancement.esp

189 bd Merge10.esp

190 be AOS Patches.esp

191 bf Immersive Jewelry-Immersive Sounds Patch.esp

192 c0 ISCompendium CCO Patch.esp

193 c1 Thunderchild - Wyrmstooth Compatibility Patch.esp

194 c2 CCO_SIC_Patch.esp

195 c3 Requiem.esp

196 c4 Requiem - Legendary Bugsmasher Edition.esp

197 c5 Requiem Patches 01-26-16.esp

198 c6 Requiem - Blessings Ignore Crime.esp

199 c7 Dragon Combat Overhaul.esp

200 c8 Rebirth Monster.esp

201 c9 Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp

202 ca MoonAndStar_Requiem_compat.esp

203 cb COR-CraftingOverhaulReqtified.esp

204 cc Civil War Overhaul.esp

205 cd Brevi_MoonlightTalesEssentials.esp

206 ce RSPatch.esp

207 cf Animallica - Real Wildlife Loot.esp

208 d0 moonpath_questdata.esp

209 d1 UIExtensions.esp

210 d2 ExtraBlades-EFF.esp

211 d3 Bijin Wives, WMs, NPCs, Followers, Females.esp

212 d4 FollowerCompatibility.esp

213 d5 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp

214 d6 AnnaNPCs-AlternativeFaces.esp

215 d7 MergedPatch.esp

216 d8 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

217 d9 ReqtificatorVault.esp

218 da Requiem for the Indifferent.esp

[nilok]

I feel for you. It is like trying to herd cats at times. With all those mods I would look into making a TES5Merged patch. You can find videos on how to do it pretty easy. Maybe try CLaralux instead of Lanterns of skyrim. Maybe replace CLimates of Tamriel with Vivid weathers too, there are just less patches to deal with, so far I am liking both those mods a lot. Very simple.

 

Edit Nevermind I see now you have something called Merged patch? I thought though that Gopher said you needed to name that TES5Merged if that is it.

Edited November 24, 2016 by nilok

[Varichi]

Thanks for the response, nilok. I would say that if anyone is going to be a successful cat-herder, I can absolutely guarantee that someone modding Bethesda games is going to be the guy who does it.

 

If it didn't require a tear down of my current system, I would have replaced CoT a while ago. Unfortunately I have a lot logged into this save ;). It was working beautifully up until now. Since I've figured out how to solve all of the traditional crashes, Skyrim decides to throw another one at me. We go back and forth, it's more of a game than Skyrim itself is. Rather sad, really.

 

The MergedPatch is what I made, you are correct. I didn't think the name mattered, I've been using them for years without issue and naming them that the whole time. Is there a reason that the name is significant that you know of?

[nilok]

I just remember in a video of I think Gopher, it was one of the big modders videos on youtube, he said you needed to name it TES5Merged. Seems like it had to do with Loot. I am not certain it matters at all, just trying to follow directions I get. :dry: I am redoing everything as well, just bought a EVGA 1070 8gb card so I think I can actually use decent textures now.

Edited November 25, 2016 by nilok