Burma: It Can't Wait

[Stormcrown]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK8inPfHg_0

 

Warning: Sort of adult content. Safe for youtube without "adult" tags.

 

Where is Burma?

-Country between India and China. Size of Texas, Population of 55 million people.

 

Who is Than Shwe?

-The dictator of burma. He spreads fear through forced labor, torture, and systematic rape. Last year, he brutalized buddhist monks and other peaceful supports for pro-democracy.

 

What is 8-8-88?

-This is the day that 3000 peaceful protesters were killed by the Burmese military, and thousands more imprisoned for protesting against their authoritarian rule.

 

What is the United Nations Security Council doing to help in Burma?

-They are doing...nothing.

 

Burma. It can't wait.

 

Than Shwez, as four (4), count them, four huge ships are anchored off Burma, ships filled with relief medical supplies, a helicopter, food, tents, clothing for the poor suffering people of Burma, and YOU Than Shwe, whose names literally mean “million gold’ …refuse to allow the ships into port to land.

 

This, Than Shwe, is now three weeks after the entire planetary community has rushed to give aid to the people of Burma. You have said and continue to say, No. You have grabbed what shipments of goods you’ve allowed into the country, for yourself and your friends, with only pale distribution far from the center of the Irrawaddy devastation.

 

-This is my Humanitarian post for the day. ^_^ Screw Iraq. Let's go to Burma.

Edited December 27, 2011 by Stormcrown

[zegh8578]

the west won't intervene in burma. we saw that just a few years ago, when it ended in bloodbath for the monks, and all that courage the civilians showed ended up with no significant result. aung san suu kyi was finally released, and maybe, just maybe the junta will finally give up, and realize their lust for power is taking them nowhere good, and finally allow fair elections.

[ita]

Screw Iraq. Let's go to Burma.

 

There's too little oil in Burma to make any intervention profitable.

[Vagrant0]

We learned from Vietnam not to get involved with that region. Several empires failed there, worse than the Middle East. Put simply, it's not our fight yet and China usually has jurisdiction as a world power in that region. Human rights aside, they probably don't want U.S. action.

[zegh8578]

We learned from Vietnam not to get involved with that region. Several empires failed there, worse than the Middle East. Put simply, it's not our fight yet and China usually has jurisdiction as a world power in that region. Human rights aside, they probably don't want U.S. action.

 

afghanistan is teaching us a similar lesson lately

and somalia sortof tought it in a single evening :D

 

its more what ita says, above,

most regions will give you a neck-deep bog of hell. nobody likes to be invaded

 

only some regions are more profitable to invade than others

[JimboUK]

I get the feeling Iran is the next in line to be "Freedomed", the Burmese shouldn't hold their breath.

[zegh8578]

I get the feeling Iran is the next in line to be "Freedomed", the Burmese shouldn't hold their breath.

 

bush admin was the most eager for war in iran (and war other places), so at least the greatest eagerness has gone away with him and his crew.

now, if iran can develop that nuke quickly, there will obviously be no war there. nobody wants to invade a nuclear power.

 

most important however, is right there in your own implication "freedomed" <---with the ""'s, its not about freedom. burma simply needs someone to remove the junta.

why would anybody remove the junta?

burma is a sovereign nation. nowhere does it say that cruel juntas must be removed by foreign powers. the "imposition of freedom" was never anything but a lame excuse for other reasons to invade. freedom in itself is of no concern of other powers. there are many nations who would love more freedom, but who can only dream, for the time being.

liberia, back in the civil war days, even begged america to come and give them freedom.

"you got oil?"

"um, no, but thats not the point, we just - "

"forget it."

 

to rub it in, american troops actually defended a carlsberg beer delivery in liberia, and then left once the beer was safe. true story.

[Arthmoor]

One of the biggest problems with Vietnam (and Afghanistan too) was that the people themselves simply weren't motivated enough to fight for their own freedom. An ally cannot fight to win you your freedom if you don't want it badly enough yourself.

 

I see the same issue playing out in Burma. The people there complain, sure, but they're not sufficiently motivated to want to fight for it. We could step in and spend the next 30 years there doing it for them, but in the end, they have to want it badly enough themselves to pick up guns and join the fight.

 

A similar situation is currently playing itself out in Syria, although even if they do prove willing to fight, US involvement there would only lead to disaster.

[zegh8578]

One of the biggest problems with Vietnam (and Afghanistan too) was that the people themselves simply weren't motivated enough to fight for their own freedom. An ally cannot fight to win you your freedom if you don't want it badly enough yourself.

 

I see the same issue playing out in Burma. The people there complain, sure, but they're not sufficiently motivated to want to fight for it. We could step in and spend the next 30 years there doing it for them, but in the end, they have to want it badly enough themselves to pick up guns and join the fight.

 

A similar situation is currently playing itself out in Syria, although even if they do prove willing to fight, US involvement there would only lead to disaster.

 

thats just condescending.

not motivated?

they arent armed. theyre civilians. what are you gonna do, throw produce at the troops?

 

condescending naiveness is the _last_ thing they need. they need appropriate backup.

this attitude really pisses me off, its the same as when people say crap like "why do they starve? thats so lazy. all the have to do is eat grass." (just recently i had to respond to such a comment... )

when 1. there is no grass there, and 2. you have to be a cow in order to survive on grass. if youre a human, youll starve to death no matter how much grass you eat.

Edited December 29, 2011 by zegh8578

[McclaudEagle]

I wouldn't say it's lack of motivation, more like the lack of resources. The only reason the Libyan uprising happened was because Middle Eastern nations are literally laden with firearms, with so many civilians owning them. Look at the Taliban, most of them are simple farmers, yet they're supplied with AK-47s, IEDs, RPGs, machine guns, etc. You can't expect a civilian population to fight against a military if there's no resources to do it.