Skyrim and modding; about to give up after about twenty hours...

[SDRE]

I need help. I was excited to play Skyrim again after many years. I had only played through the game once before (MQ) and found it a terrible game but a good 'experience'. I was hoping that mods would actually make it a good 'game' as well. Well, there seem to be a lot of mods out that cater to my needs and I decided to jump into the project of modding Skyrim. Jeez, it's a lot of work, especially when you go into it without any knowledge.

Anyway, I got my 127 plugins running in the end, LOOT is reporting back absolutely no errors.

I used the following software and methodology:

1.) Mod Organizer to manage mods.

2.) Latest SKSE installed.

3.) Used TES5Edit to clean the recommended base game files (Update.esm, dragonborn.esm etc). Continued to clean all mods that LOOT gave warnings about.

4.) Used LOOT to organized mod order and then use Mod Organizer to organize the order again (the triangle warning symbol pops up with potential mod order problems after running LOOT sort).

5.) Ran the Patchus Maximus java program to create that .esp patch as well. 6.) Installed any other compatibility patches I could find that were relevant for my mods.

Even after all this (and starting from scratch once) my game is now experiencing CTDs. I had a few CTD's in the first 4 hours of playing but not much. Now, however, after doing a bounty mission from Riften I keep crashing constantly when loading into Riften and also (when I actually manage to load into Riften) when trying to enter Mistveil keep for the reward. I will post my Mod Load Order below and I would like some input on what are the easiest steps for me to fix my CTDs?

I'm sure some of you more experienced modders will be able to glance a few possible mod incompatibility issues or issues in general with the combination of mods I have running. If removing a few mods will make the game stable I'd be willing to do that.

I've spent roughly 20 hours trying to configure this however and perhaps only 10 actually playing the game and the frustration is getting to me.

The only step I could think of moving forward with is WryeBash. But I genuinely don't quite understand what that actually does or why it would help make my game stable. Is this the direction I should be going?

Thank you for any insight you might have!

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Dawnguard.esm

3 3 HearthFires.esm

4 4 Dragonborn.esm

5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp

6 6 SPIKE.esm

7 7 SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esm

8 8 Campfire.esm

9 9 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

10 a HighResTexturePack01.esp

11 b HighResTexturePack02.esp

12 c HighResTexturePack03.esp

13 d Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp

14 e fFastTravelSpeedMult_4.esp

15 f Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp

16 10 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

17 11 AHZmoreHUD.esp

18 12 Extended UI.esp

19 13 iHUD.esp

20 14 SkyUI.esp

21 15 HelmetToggle.esp

22 16 dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp

23 17 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

24 18 Character Creation Overhaul.esp

25 19 CCO - Diverse Races And Genders.esp

26 1a CCO - Dynamic Skill Progression.esp

27 1b CCO - Oblivion Carry Weights.esp

28 1c RaceMenu.esp

29 1d RaceMenuPlugin.esp

30 1e SimplyKnock.esp

31 1f Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp

32 20 3DNPC.esp

33 21 Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp

34 22 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp

35 23 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp

36 24 Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp

37 25 Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp

38 26 Rebirth Monster.esp

39 27 Scarcity - Less Loot Mod.esp

40 28 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp

41 29 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp

42 2a SoS - The Wilds.esp

43 2b SoS - Civilization.esp

44 2c OBIS.esp

45 2d Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp

46 2e SoS - The Dungeons.esp

47 2f SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp

48 30 Combat Evolved.esp

49 31 Immersive Weapons.esp

50 32 WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp

51 33 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

52 34 Point The Way.esp

53 35 VVE.esp

54 36 RealisticWaterTwo.esp

55 37 Thieves Guild Requirements.esp

56 38 TheChoiceIsYours.esp

57 39 RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp

58 3a PerkusMaximus_Master.esp

59 3b PerkusMaximus_Mage.esp

60 3c SoS - Civilization-PatchRLOMajorCityInteriors.esp

61 3d SMIM-Merged-All.esp

62 3e Immersive Patrols II.esp

63 3f Frostfall.esp

64 40 CCO - Permanent Birthsigns.esp

65 41 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

66 42 PerkusMaximus_Thief.esp

67 43 Pre PaMa SiC Patch.esp

68 44 Stealth Skills Rebalanced_COMPLETE.esp

69 45 TradeRoutes.esp

70 46 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

71 47 Equipping Overhaul.esp

72 48 PerMa Mage Defluffed.esp

73 49 PerkusMaximus_Warrior.esp

74 4a PerMa Thief Defluffed.esp

75 4b PerMa Warrior Defluffed.esp

76 4c DeadlyCombat.esp

77 4d Rebirth Monster - OBIS Patch.esp

78 4e High Level Enemies.esp

79 4f Rebirth Monster - USLEEP Patch.esp

80 50 OBISDB.esp

81 51 Rebirth Monster - High Level Enemies Patch.esp

82 52 Rebirth Monster - SIC Patch.esp

83 53 High Level Enemies - Dawnguard.esp

84 54 High Level Enemies - Dragonborn.esp

85 55 Scarcity - 10x Loot Rarity.esp

86 56 Scarcity - 10x Merchant Item Rarity.esp

87 57 Scarcity - 2x Loot Rarity.esp

88 58 Scarcity - 2x Merchant Item Rarity.esp

89 59 Scarcity - 4x Loot Rarity.esp

90 5a Scarcity - 4x Merchant Item Rarity.esp

91 5b Scarcity - 6x Loot Rarity.esp

92 5c Scarcity - 6x Merchant Item Rarity.esp

93 5d Scarcity - 8x Loot Rarity.esp

94 5e Scarcity - 8x Merchant Item Rarity.esp

95 5f TradeBarter.esp

96 60 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

97 61 dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp

98 62 1nivWICCloaks.esp

99 63 Footprints.esp

100 64 WetandCold.esp

101 65 WetandCold - Ashes.esp

102 66 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp

103 67 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp

104 68 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp

105 69 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Weathers.esp

106 6a Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

107 6b Convenient Horses.esp

108 6c RealisticHumanoidMovementSpeed.esp

109 6d SFO - Dragonborn.esp

110 6e DeadlyDragons.esp

111 6f PerMa_USLEEP master patch.esp

112 70 Rebirth Monster - Clothing & Clutter Fixes Patch.esp

113 71 Rebirth Monster - Immersive Weapons Patch.esp

114 72 Rebirth Monster - OBISDB Patch.esp

115 73 Rebirth Monster - WAFR Patch.esp

116 74 SoS - Civilization-PatchCoT.esp

117 75 SoS - Civilization-PatchRLOMinorCities.esp

118 76 SoS - The Wilds-PatchCoT.esp

119 77 SoS - The Dungeons-PatchRLODungeons.esp

120 78 SoS - The Dungeons-PatchRLOMajorCityInteriors.esp

121 79 Open Cities Skyrim.esp

122 7a Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

123 7b OCS - 3DNPC.esp

124 7c Pre PaMa CCOR Patch.esp

125 7d Pre PaMa WAFR Patch.esp

126 7e Pre PaMa CCF Patch.esp

127 7f PatchusMaximus.esp

[2much4l1]

Disabling the Hi Res Texture packs fixed my random ctds.

[TristanIseme]

Wrye Bash is used to make a bashed patch, which, as I understand it, is basically just used for merging levelled lists. This is useful when you have multiple mods that add items to leveled lists such as weapons, armour or spellbooks.

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/wiki/beginners_guide is the guide that I followed when setting up my Skyrim (I'm fairly new to modding too) and it has a good explanation of what Wrye Bash does and how to set it up. It also explains Merged Patches using TES5 Edit, which is another thing often recommended to use.

[nilok]

Heck I have been at it for more than a month off and on. Your best bets are to visit these pages and follow along, even if you do not want to follow all steps they have great advice.

 

http://wiki.step-project.com/STEP:2.2.9.2

 

http://wiki.step-project.com/User:Neovalen/Skyrim_Revisited_-_Legendary_Edition

 

http://wiki.step-project.com/User:Darth_mathias/SRLE_Extended_Legacy_of_The_Dragonborn

[Deximator1771]

 

Can some one please help me with my mod order I have no clue whats wrong (new at this) tips would be welcomed please and thank you

[Varichi]

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Can some one please help me with my mod order I have no clue whats wrong (new at this) tips would be welcomed please and thank you

 

Don't hijack this guy's topic. That's incredibly rude.

 

As far as the OP goes, the first thing I would recommend is Crash Fixes. If your crashes are memory related and your machine is good enough to run your mods, then this mod will allow Skyrim to use your machine's memory instead of capping it at the engine's 3.1GB limit. That's a really short and bare explanation of what it does. Basically, it eliminates crashes due to the game requiring more memory than it is allowed to use. Read his explanation on the page before you install it.

 

Secondly, it does not look like you have a TES5Edit Merged Patch or a Wrye Bash Bashed Patch down there. It's been a long time since I used Perkus Maximus, so I cannot recall if, like Requeim, the mod author does not want either of those two used (I use edited versions of both anyway with Requiem, so it's not a gamebreaking issue at least). If I recall, you can use the Merged Patch at least with Perkus Maximus. I would check to see the mod author's policy to confirm, but I would create one immediately for those mods.

 

Thirdly, it looks like you have multiple .esps activated for Scarcity that deal with leveled lists. I do not have that mod, but it looks like you should only have one of those active as they look like multiple separate options for leveled lists. Check on that and make sure that you only need one.

 

Fourth, I can see a couple of patches that are loaded before their respective mods. You have an OBIS patch, for instance, that's loading before OBIS. You also have multiple mods that affect creature spawns, such as SkyTEST, Immersive Creatures, EncounterZones, Immersive Patrols, and maybe a few others that I missed. Anytime that many mods are modifying the same set of variables (in this case, spawns, which can trigger crashes similar to what you've described) you increase your random crashes a lot. Go through each one and make sure they are all compatible and that you have any necessary patches.

 

Fifth, your load order itself looks kind of out of whack. Are you sure you sorted it with LOOT before going back through it? You have some .esps loaded way up in the load order, and their patches in the middle. Are you sure they are all where they need to be? Usually big mods will have something under the instructions saying "make sure to load this .esp last or by the bottom" or "make sure this .esp loads first or towards the top" or sometimes "this mod is compatible with [x], but make sure it loads afterward."

 

I hope this helps some, good luck with your mods and come back with any questions!