What kinds of mods do women like?

[Crimsomrider]

 

Considering 1 in 2 women have experienced some sort of sexual violence, surely you can understand that some of us may not appreciate rape mods whether you consider it lore appropriate or not. :armscrossed:

 

I think installing a rape mod makes you a bad person.

 

So people who play or roleplay as villains in games are bad guys in real life as well ? That is some amazing thinking...

 

Going by that logic, I must be worse than Hitler then.

[charwo]

 

Going by that logic, I must be worse than Hitler then.

 

Not to mince words: the state of heart determines what kind of person you are, and your actions are only a reflection of that. There are lots of people worse than Hitler, people that like him were looking for an excuse more than anything else. But they were never given the opportunity. In games, we do. Our darkest and most sociopathic selfs are tempted from the dark corners of mind, and it is a choice to coddle them, to play with them. To play a villain flippantly is to not take the implications seriously. To take it seriously and do it anyway shows severe characters flaws.

 

You'll say "It's just a game!" And you're wrong because if you just wanted to play a game, there's Tetris and Jenga. You're playing this game specifically to do terrible things, most likely because you find it 'interesting' which is so amoral it's nearly as bad enacting dark fantasies.

 

It took me a lot of soul searching to figure that out. I used to be a consequentialist, and I had to embrace virtue ethics to come to terms with the utter revulsion I felt towards the sociopathic cruelty I see when others play their games. It might not sound like much, but I figured out a long time ago those raider scumbags and me have a clear contextual difference: they have opportunity, I don't. Am I really better than them? It's my mission to make sure that I have prepared myself such that if opportunity comes a knockin, I can throw it off my porch. Everything in life, even the little things, is preparation for that moment.

[montky]

what an interesting aside and tangent that has formed

from the original poster Havarth J's question -

 

"what mods do which demographics use or enjoy?"

 

delving momentarily into that tangent...

we don't need to use ad homs or godwin's "law" or "poes law" etc...

its clear that this is a passionate subject to a lot of gamers.

that discussion orbits eerily near

where Sarkeesian, J Thompson and advocates of censure orbit...

 

indeed, we could speak at length in the off-topic's threads about those things,

and I would highly encourage such discussions.

though I wouldn't want to derail entirely

Havarth J's thread to do so.

 

@|havarth J|

after several real-world discussion around this thread,

I hope more Nexus and fallout fans will continue to respond to this interesting thread!

 

several users and fellow nexus and fallout fans suggested

this as an alternate way to obtain some answers

in Nexus' user database, users can self-identify as male, female or other/unspecified...

you could calibrate a google analytics web-index search,

to filter what Nexus mods were downloaded by which users

and 'scrape' data that way...

(assuming that respondents were honest in completing that data-input.

some users may be cognizant of data-mining, metadata etc, and hence may operate under a nom-de-guerre or

otherwise false data which would distort the reliability of the dataset)

 

this way, you could also then form a picture of

"what is the present state of which mods were downloaded by what demography?"

there'd then be venn diagrams in overlap between the different

demographic segments,

though hypothetically, there would be some mods which aren't downloaded as much,

even if the users were unreliable when inputting their gender identity as a Nexus user...

 

note that such a dataset wouldn't be proof outright of

a different choice process or norm itself,

though it could go a ways towards a compatibilist argument hehe.

 

that would be interesting to then cross-comparatively reflect on,

as compared with self-reporting assays,

or by geographical region.

 

why would such data be useful? to help make as you say,

things which appeal to each of the demographics, and make the artifice function on multiple levels,

perhaps even influence the exegetical process of production...

it'd be interesting to see how different norms or free-time/leisure time in a geographical region

influenced how which users downloaded what mods...

the duration of install for mods (how long did which demographic segment retain what mods),

the ease with which users could add or remove mods (by demography would also be interesting).

 

as a related tangent,

one would think that places such as FemFreq, would be doing as much...

that is, google-assays and self-reporting surveys for

each title ever produced, as was claimed in

a metanarrative mise-en-scene assay that a certain person wanted made,

tabling all games ever produced.

that way, it doesn't appear as though some claims advanced

are mere ideological assertion, rather, there is some cross-vetted

evidences and data to support a hypothesis or conclusion...

 

Such an ambitious project would be

a very valuable contribution

not only to game theory and game history,

though as a cross-comparative touchstone...

it is complicated each year though, as hundreds of hours of content are added.

(originality of such notwithstanding)

videogames are only one part of an individuals' "media diet"...

 

though, I digress.

[Crimsomrider]

@charwo

 

A person is defined by their actions and only by their actions. Not by what they think or what's in their heart and certainly not by how they play a videogame. I agree with you that if people were judged on what they thought, a lot would be worse than Hitler had they the opportunity to turn them into reality. But then again, I am also someone who has extremely positive and extremely dark thoughts, and I never let my dark thoughts become a reality and I'll tell you why.

 

You can judge people all you want by how they play videogames, but you couldn't be more wrong. The way I play a videogame says nothing about who I truly am, how I think and how I behave in real life. The whole reason why I play videogames is to explore the unknown. I want to experience what it's like to be a hero, what it's like to be a villain, what it's like to be a victim, what it's like to be a bystander.

 

What it's like to murder someone, what it's like to save someone. I play them so I can experience what I cannot experience in real life.

 

The one mistake you keep on making is that you presume you know anything about me or other people. Every single person in this world is unique. It takes a lifetime to get to know even one person and even then you will never truly know them. I don't play this game to do terrible things. For a fact, not once in 800 hours of the time I played Fallout 4, have I ever killed an innocent NPC nor even been a bad guy. Guess what... I'm playing the game because I find games fun. I'm playing them so I can be someone that I am usually not. A hero, a villain, a bystander, a victim. Leader of an army, the bringer of doom. A werewolf, a vampire, a rabid animal, a magical creature, a monster. It's called "roleplay" and it is healthy to have a rich imagination. My imagination goes from extremely positive to extremely negative. I can write a story so positive that will make you cringe and I can write a story so tragic that will make you cry. I can write a romance, I can write a horror.

 

Our actions based on our choices influenced by our morality is what makes us good or bad. It's not the choice of what games we play nor how we play them, because in a videogame nobody is getting hurt. Without imagination, we are nothing. We are limited.

 

The fact is, I can be the most vile person in a videogame. I can kill innocents by the thousands and not feel anything. I can play that Hatred game in which the whole point of the game is to just kill innocent people. I have absolutely no problem playing an antagonist. I have no problem playing as the ultimate evil.

 

But once I stop playing the game, it's back to real-life... and in real life, I know who and what I am. I am a normal guy who plays all types of videogames, no matter how violent and dark they can be, but once I'm done... it's back to my old self. A normal person who plays with his cat for a while, who loves to watch cartoons and movies, who makes lunch for his family because he loves them, who helps old neighbours who are too old to move themselves and who cares about nature and every living thing around him. Someone who cherishes life and hates injustice and cruelty in the world.

 

I've been playing violent videogames since I was 5. I've been watching 18+ rated movies since I was 8 years old. Not once have I ever had a conflict on what's right or wrong. It's called a character and being able to separate right and wrong. No amount of violence and dark thoughts can ever change who you are as a person, if your character is built strong.

 

It's one of the reasons why I love the Witcher 3 so much. There's no specifically good or bad in that game. There's shades of gray. The game challenges your own sense of morality and encourages you to make a choice and live with the consequence of that choice. Just like real life.

[EmissaryOfWind]

 

Considering 1 in 2 women have experienced some sort of sexual violence, surely you can understand that some of us may not appreciate rape mods whether you consider it lore appropriate or not. :armscrossed:

 

A lot of people have also experienced mutilation, dismemberment, imprisonment, slavery, torture or murder. And yet... here we are. A very successful game filled with lunatic raiders who are raping, killing, butchering, mutilating and all that... and people are okay with that.

 

Cait in particular was used in sick and twisted ways, she says so herself.

 

I personally would rip someone's d*** off if they raped one of my family members, but in a game ? Hell, I'd try that mod. Games and movies are made so that the person can experience and live the life of someone else. I am quite a gentle soul in real life. I go into huge arguments whenever I see someone from my family squash a spider. Just because it's a creature so insignificantly small compared to a human does not mean we have a right to take away its life just like that and never think about it afterwards.

 

In games however, I like to be free. If I feel like killing, I'll kill. If I feel like raping, I'll rape. If I feel like imprisoning people and making slaves of them, I'll do it. As long as it's in a game and nobody is getting hurt, I say go for it.

 

 

No one said you couldn't have them. If that's your thing, I'm not gonna try to stop you. I just think they're in poor taste, personally. Someone else might be okay with rape mods, but dislike torture mods. Some rape survivors might not care, some might have PTSD and not want to see or hear about them. If I dislike something, I can say so, it doesn't have any bearing on your enjoyment of that thing. But as a woman, I already have to live my real life with the knowledge that I'm highly likely to be sexually assaulted in my lifetime, so I'd rather leave that behind when I'm immersing myself in a fantasy world.

Edited January 22, 2017 by EmissaryOfWind

[Athanasa]

Y'all seem to be ignoring the 'flip side' of rape mods. When I read it, I thought people meant player at the receiving end, rather than player dishing it out. Apparently rape fantasies (receiving) are fairly common.

 

What say you to the mods that allow the PLAYER to be raped, rather than doing the raping?

[EmissaryOfWind]

Y'all seem to be ignoring the 'flip side' of rape mods. When I read it, I thought people meant player at the receiving end, rather than player dishing it out. Apparently rape fantasies (receiving) are fairly common.

 

What say you to the mods that allow the PLAYER to be raped, rather than doing the raping?

 

I have the same distaste for both. If it's your fantasy, you do you, but I don't want any part of it.

[SuperSigDeluxe]

Y'all seem to be ignoring the 'flip side' of rape mods. When I read it, I thought people meant player at the receiving end, rather than player dishing it out. Apparently rape fantasies (receiving) are fairly common.

 

What say you to the mods that allow the PLAYER to be raped, rather than doing the raping?

I say that's a great start for a cold cold revenge roleplay on raiders (Assuming i'm getting raped by raiders...no... don't involve Mirelurkers in this... Dammit...)

 

Guys, i just had a great great idea : Mirelurker Pregnancy mod. You're welcome. My Genius is finally recognized !

 

Edited January 22, 2017 by SuperSigDeluxe

[MunkySpunk]

 

All but one of the games I've done in Fallout was with a female character. I love clothing like pretty much everything Elianora has ever done, Crimsomrider's 1950's Feminine Outfits, and various others. It's just the extra slooty stuff and some of the presets I roll my eyes at. I actually agree with Crimsomrider that in many ways looking at a female character is much more attractive. My sexual orientation is queer, I like all genders. So when I roll my eyes at the slooty stuff, it isn't because I would rather drool over a buff man, but because I think it's over the top, unrealistic and depending on the mod actually degrading to women. I don't use CBBE because I think the vanilla, EVB and Wonderbody female shapes are perfectly healthy and normal. I don't feel the need to use CBBE to unrealistically enhance a woman's figure. I DO use the nude EVB bodies for both male and female because despite my dislike of overly slooty stuff, I'm not even close to being a prude, quite the opposite. In fact I find it satisfying to strip my enemies to their bare skin, it means I've utterly destroyed them. I also think the vanilla underwear is just incredibly ugly and I don't like how you can still see things like bra straps with the Gunslinger outfit. I also don't use overly buff looking bodies for the males in my game either because I don't think guys should feel pressure to meet certain body standards any more than women should. :D

 

Same as me, only thing is I couldn't care less if people want boobs and ass or penises and balls, it's their choice.

 

What I do have a problem with is when people come to other people's mods and then criticize them for what they make. Like people that come into my mods and criticize me and ask me dumb questions because I make a lot of barefoot outfits. As if nobody ever saw feet before I started making mods. Boobs and asses are okay, but God forbid that someone makes non-skimpy barefoot outfits.

Try making AB conversions because you like your own particular AB preset, but also find the default AB shape way over the top.

 

I get nailed to the wall a lot and end up deleting them, but I'd invite anyone to look at the pics I upload myself from my profile versus the ones I put in the mods. I usually also invite them to look at how the screenshot pics are ordered for the Tina DeLuca mod - they're all CBBE with a couple AB stuffed at the back.

 

I believe that casual browsers have a right to not be assaulted with pics of boobs so large they have small moons orbiting them and schlongs so large the guy keeps tripping. I admit I learned late, but I adjusted. I try to keep the hotfile, background, and browsing images above all that now in particular. But I also believe that it's pretty tough for a mod you don't care for, or even find tasteless to ruin your own gaming experience - just don't download it, don't comment, and move on.

I try not to bite at the troll bait, but it got to be too much on one occasion recently, not to be too specific, and I regret it. I rezipped my lips and just moved on. There is always a constant trickle of trolls whose games are apparently completely destroyed by my mods. You'd think my mods killed their dog and stole their wallet in real life too by how invective it gets.

 

As for rape mods.... well, that took a dark turn quick. I'll pass, not download, and not comment. If someone wants to fight to get it removed, that's their business. Personally, more power to them (the people trying to get them removed).

 

Speaking of which, is there a way to "block" mods from your own browsing? I know there are tags, but it might be helpful if someone were browsing and come across a mod that is something pretty disturbing, like say ohhhh.. one that turns the chair cushions into naked decapitated bodies (this happened). Is there a way to block yourself from having to see that crap again? I saw this as a person who could benefit from it and someone who knows others could probably benefit from not seeing my mods. I thought Vault Buddy was messed up, but that was in a good way. That chair... man, I'm going to remember that picture I tell you.

 

Admittedly, this got off topic. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Edited January 22, 2017 by MunkySpunk

[Fkemman11]

I would like to say that I think that doing "bad" things in games helps me vent anger and frustration from life. I and other people I have heard from honestly feel that without a safe place to vent, some of us would probably be locked up. I think it is ridiculous to criticize people for how they play a "game". ALL people have the capacity to be very good or very evil. :pirate: AAARRGGHH.