Some concerns about the community

[Graybark]

Reminds me of drama often sparking up in the furry community: "oh noes, %username% used my character's likeness, SUE THE HERETIC!".

In my opinion, Nexus should add a few lines to its ToS, declaring all mods published here released into the public domain de jure and internally enforcing only two sensible rights of a mod author:

a) To be credited for their work

and

b) To have the deciding vote in whether their creation can be used as a part of a commercial product

— so that outside those two issues, public domain rule would apply in any disputed case.

It would be very presumptuous of the Nexus to claim the rights to other people's work. Not even Bethesda does that. Also, the ToS of Bethesda already precludes commercial use. Now, whether the filming of the contents of a mod constitutes public performance is a different matter. The one being discussed here, I suppose.

[Hisu]

It would be very presumptuous of the Nexus to claim the rights to other people's work. Not even Bethesda does that. Also, the ToS of Bethesda already precludes commercial use. Now, whether the filming of the contents of a mod constitutes public performance is a different matter. The one being discussed here, I suppose.

It would indeed, so I'm saying it just should be stated in the ToS that posting your work here means agreeing to release it into the public domain. No claims, no convenient ambiguity: you post it here, you release it, plain and simple.

Edited April 9, 2017 by Hisu

[Deleted82156User]

 

Nobody is entitled (has the right) to not being called silly as calling someone silly for something or calling an idea silly is in itself an opinion freely expressed.

 

 

People do have the right to their own opinions without being abused for it by those who do not share the opinion. In other words it crosses the line from 'expressing an opinion' to 'abuse of someone for their opinion' to throw insult on someone elses opinion or on someone else for their opinion. An utter misconception of 'free speech' held up as an excuse by people as they verbally abuse others.

 

Free speech is not the right to abuse everyone else if they do not share your opinion, it is the right to have an opinion and not be abused for it.

 

My point...EVERYONE is entitled to not be called 'silly' for what they think and feel.

Edited April 9, 2017 by Guest

[Deleted82156User]

Reminds me of drama often sparking up in the furry community: "oh noes, %username% used my character's likeness, SUE THE HERETIC!".

In my opinion, Nexus should add a few lines to its ToS, declaring all mods published here released into the public domain de jure and internally enforcing only two sensible rights of a mod author:

a) To be credited for their work

and

b) To have the deciding vote in whether their creation can be used as a part of a commercial product

— so that outside those two issues, public domain rule would apply in any disputed case.

 

Nexus is NOT going to enforce anything on modders and could NOT enforce anything on modders. So you are out of luck there. Modders own their mods and the only one who can decide on commercial usage is Bethesda, because that particular right is signed away by modders when they use the CK.

 

You try 'enforcing' anything on a large group of individuals you will get FAR less people uploading mods in the first place. Modders are not legally bound and forced to make mods, making mods is a choice and when that choice becomes adhere to draconian enforcements on your work against your will, then who would bother uploading...

 

Whoops sorry double post.

Edited April 9, 2017 by Guest

[AGreatWeight]

 

I maintain that that is exactly what you posted, and that there was no ambiguity in it (4 requirements to be fulfilled, one 'blatantly' failed). If that is not what you meant, then that's even better. Don't want to argue semantics. I would appreciate it if you did not automatically assign a label to me (Team Mator?), and took what I write at face-value. I have seen similar discussions where people are called trolls, stupid etc. for not seeing their point of view. I may be hypersensitive because I am used to an environment where cuss words and rudeness are not seen, but this looks pretty bad to me. People just ganging up on someone because they have a different opinion (not talking about Mator here).

 

I'd appreciate it if you didn't make things up that aren't there in the first place; never said anything about you being 'in league' with Mator, in any shape or form - your name was mentioned alongside his as you both responded to that particular post. There is no insult there or slur, so where did you get that idea?

Hypersensitive? Maybe you are? But that's not a valid excuse for accusing me of something that I clearly didn't do.

[Hisu]

 

Nexus is NOT going to enforce anything on modders and could NOT enforce anything on modders. So you are out of luck there. Modders own their mods and the only one who can decide on commercial usage is Bethesda, because that particular right is signed away by modders when they use the CK.

 

You try 'enforcing' anything on a large group of individuals you will get FAR less people uploading mods in the first place. Modders are not legally bound and forced to make mods, making mods is a choice and when that choice becomes adhere to draconian enforcements on your work against your will, then who would bother uploading...

 

 

Oh, Nexus is perfectly able to enforce stuff, and does it from time to time, too. But, perhaps, it was a bad choice of words nevertheless.

Still, I wouldn't call public domain premise a draconian enforcement (in practice, it's just the contrary). I understand private property is something like a sacred cow to most, but people have, at the very least, recognize it as such and draw distinct borders.

[AGreatWeight]

 

Oh, Nexus is perfectly able to enforce stuff, and does it from time to time, too. But, perhaps, it was a bad choice of words nevertheless.

Still, I wouldn't call public domain premise a draconian enforcement (in practice, it's just the contrary). I understand private property is something like a sacred cow to most, but people have, at the very least, recognize it as such and draw distinct borders.

 

 

An attempt to force mods to all be 'cathedral' or 'public domain' (and by extension, make mods & their content a free-for-all for anyone to use in any way they see fit) is draconian when enforced on mod authors who prefer choice, because you are taking that choice away. Right now, mod authors have choice (with regard to permissions) and I don't see any valid or legitimate reason to change that as this is the best option.

[Hisu]

 

An attempt to force mods to all be 'cathedral' or 'public domain' (and by extension, make mods & their content a free-for-all for anyone to use in any way they see fit) is draconian when enforced on mod authors who prefer choice, because you are taking that choice away. Right now, mod authors have choice (with regard to permissions) and I don't see any valid or legitimate reason to change that as this is the best option.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all pro-choice in pretty much everything. Still, I think the creation is more important than the creator (not ultimately so, of course; no need to invent extreme cases to prove otherwise), and steps must be taken to ensure that creation's availability and continuation, so that making something private would be a matter of choice, as opposed to making something public like it is now. Ideally, the author should have a choice to make the creation private, but the default state of it should be "free-for-all" except for fringe cases.

[Deleted82156User]

 

 

An attempt to force mods to all be 'cathedral' or 'public domain' (and by extension, make mods & their content a free-for-all for anyone to use in any way they see fit) is draconian when enforced on mod authors who prefer choice, because you are taking that choice away. Right now, mod authors have choice (with regard to permissions) and I don't see any valid or legitimate reason to change that as this is the best option.

 

 

Exactly! That is what is so great about this community, it is not made up of only people of one particular mindset, it caters to and welcomes everyone. The only problems that come are when one particular mindset cannot tolerate others and tries to force the entire community into it's way of thinking.

Edited April 9, 2017 by Guest

[Graybark]

 

 

I maintain that that is exactly what you posted, and that there was no ambiguity in it (4 requirements to be fulfilled, one 'blatantly' failed). If that is not what you meant, then that's even better. Don't want to argue semantics. I would appreciate it if you did not automatically assign a label to me (Team Mator?), and took what I write at face-value. I have seen similar discussions where people are called trolls, stupid etc. for not seeing their point of view. I may be hypersensitive because I am used to an environment where cuss words and rudeness are not seen, but this looks pretty bad to me. People just ganging up on someone because they have a different opinion (not talking about Mator here).

 

I'd appreciate it if you didn't make things up that aren't there in the first place; never said anything about you being 'in league' with Mator, in any shape or form - your name was mentioned alongside his as you both responded to that particular post. There is no insult there or slur, so where did you get that idea?

Hypersensitive? Maybe you are? But that's not a valid excuse for accusing me of something that I clearly didn't do.

 

I apologize for the confusion. The part about the insults (including my hypersensitivity) was not directed at your post or you. I was just going off on a tangent and addressing some other concerns I had.

 

 

 

Nexus is NOT going to enforce anything on modders and could NOT enforce anything on modders. So you are out of luck there. Modders own their mods and the only one who can decide on commercial usage is Bethesda, because that particular right is signed away by modders when they use the CK.

 

You try 'enforcing' anything on a large group of individuals you will get FAR less people uploading mods in the first place. Modders are not legally bound and forced to make mods, making mods is a choice and when that choice becomes adhere to draconian enforcements on your work against your will, then who would bother uploading...

 

 

Oh, Nexus is perfectly able to enforce stuff, and does it from time to time, too. But, perhaps, it was a bad choice of words nevertheless.

Still, I wouldn't call public domain premise a draconian enforcement (in practice, it's just the contrary). I understand private property is something like a sacred cow to most, but people have, at the very least, recognize it as such and draw distinct borders.

 

Yeah, I could not get behind that either. And though I am relatively open to collaboration, I would think twice about uploading my mods on the Nexus if I lost the rights to it. I think the way the system it set up right now is pretty good. Everyone can decide for themselves what they do with their mods. I do not see a reason to involve the Nexus in this.

Edited April 9, 2017 by ArtaiosGreybark