Trump and Comey

[gandalftw]

First Paragraph: I would pay real money to see that. :smile: (Side note: It is not "my" army.......)

 

Trump/Bannon trying to turn us into an 'autocracy' (I.E. dictatorship) has about as much credibility (and likelihood of coming about) as Obama trying to turn us into a socialist state. We've heard it all before, the rhetoric only changes slightly, depending on which party holds the oval office.

 

I am NOT a republican. But then, I am not a democrat either. Both parties hold some views that I agree with, both parties hold some views that I do NOT agree with. This time around, Hilary's platform had too many poison pills for me to swallow, so, I voted republican. Not because I *wanted* Trump in office, but, because I DIDN'T want Hilary in office. Trump was simply the lesser of two evils. (I voted in both elections for Obama, when he was in the runnin'. Not because I WANTED Obama in office, but, because, once again, I DIDN'T want who he was running against in office.)

 

The division is real. It has been real for at least a decade. It was beautifully illustrated how powerful it was becoming in Obama's first term, when the major goal of the republican party was to make sure that NOTHING Obama proposed, actually happened. Didn't matter if it was a good idea or not. If Obama proposed it, the republicans opposed it. Even in the first two years of his first term, when the dems controlled the house, senate, and oval office, he STILL couldn't get much done........ The mainstream media only contributes to the division. In fact, I hold them mostly responsible for goading it into the level we see today. I wonder what happened to an unbiased media? Reporting facts, and taking no position on the issues/events.... Today, there is no such thing as 'unbiased media'. They ALL have their own agenda they want to put forward, and the competing views only further the division.

Hehehe,you'll pay?Cool want my paypal account number?SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!

 

Actually the attempt by Trump/Bannon to create an autocracy is extremely credible in that everything Trump is doing is to set the stage for it.Trump's anger at the media is to enrage his supporters at the unfairness of it all,It's a total ploy,Trump/Bannon wants Trump to appear as a victim to his supporters.Trump wants the media to attack him to gain backing to control the media.The Trump administration has been looking into ways to gut the first amendment for several months now.It's all over the net...

 

You are a very good example of Trumps success at planting a distrust of the media.Lies,lies,lies Trump says as he sharpens his shears for his willing sheep.The first amendment needs to go he says and his sheep respond in kind.Baa,baa master baa,baa...

 

I do agree with you about Obama being severally obstructed.

 

As for your opinion on division,when were we ever united?Give me one instance.Hehe..

[HeyYou]

I wanna see at least the trailer for the show before I shell out hard money for my ticket. :)

 

Trumps anger at the media is mainly due to citing 'anonymous sources'. Some of which, he accuses the press of fabricating. Looking at his list of 'fake news' organizations....... immediately discredits any notion of accuracy there. Granted, some newseys have been bitten by running a story before it was verified..... but, by and large, the stories they run do have some basis in truth, just with whichever organizations political bias proudly displayed. The only thing I can see that he wants to 'gut the first amendment' is to bar press organizations of using anonymous sources...... Congress isn't going to allow that to happen..... Nor would two thirds of the states allow it to happen. (the only way it COULD happen is with a constitutional amendment...... how far do you think that's going to get?)

 

You think I should trust the media? Take whatever they say at face value? That isn't going to happen. I haven't trusted the media LONG before trump even considered running for political office. That isn't something you can blame on him. The press has proven themselves biased, and untrustworthy for decades. They are only in it for the ratings, and the money. Accuracy went out the window with the bathwater decades ago.

 

We were united during WWII. :D Yeah, and we haven't really been since then........ It's just becoming far more obvious, and far more pronounced of late.

[gandalftw]

So division is an illusion,thank you. :tongue:

 

As a special interest group we can unite, as Americans never.

I seem to remember someone judging a link i provided referring to the burgeoning bromance of Trump and Putin as being biased..Hehe..Who was that guy?The link i provided were actual videos of Trump praising Putin for his wonderful leadership.Obviously you neglected to check the link and videos.Why is that i wonder?Might you be biased?Might you be burying your head in the sand?Huh?What?

 

Where did i say YOU should trust the media?I don't trust the media i trust my ability to fact check,i trust my ability to withhold judgement until i am convinced,i trust the reality that no matter how convinced i am new information may come to light that will change my opinion.Like i said before there is no reality,there is no truth, there is only perception.If you choose to close your mind you lock your perception,you stagnate,you become an entity that gives up the struggle for truth for a resting place within which there only exists changeless dogmatic assertions.Within a closed mind nothing is possible but the content one clings to.Emotionalism is a big problem for it creates strong bonds to erroneous concepts because of ones preference to accept emotional content as true and necessary for ones continued existence.Giving up an emotional construct is similar to suicide because of it's deeply entrenched roots that not only encompass the brain but extends itself into the very nervous system of the individual so inflicted.

 

Ok,i admit,i was playing with reality,i was just tired of the buffoonery of pumpkinhead and i thought what if....What if Trump were actually a bloody genus,what if his crazy behavior were nothing more than misdirection.Have you ever seen the TV show Colombo?Colombo played a detective that would convince those he was investigating that he was a total buffoon.Once his suspects were convinced of his incompetence as a detective they would relax and end up revealing far more than they intended.Smart gig...

 

Seriously though you really need to read some of Bannon's interviews he's not part of the administration for his corpulent goods looks alone. :wink:

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[HeyYou]

So division is an illusion,thank you. :tongue:

 

As a special interest group we can unite, as Americans never.

I seem to remember someone judging a link i provided referring to the burgeoning bromance of Trump and Putin as being biased..Hehe..Who was that guy?The link i provided were actual videos of Trump praising Putin for his wonderful leadership.Obviously you neglected to check the link and videos.Why is that i wonder?Might you be biased?Might you be burying your head in the sand?Huh?What?

 

Where did i say YOU should trust the media?I don't trust the media i trust my ability to fact check,i trust my ability to withhold judgement until i am convinced,i trust the reality that no matter how convinced i am new information may come to light that will change my opinion.Like i said before there is no reality,there is no truth, there is only perception.If you choose to close your mind you lock your perception,you stagnate,you become an entity that gives up the struggle for truth for a resting place within which there only exists changeless dogmatic assertions.Within a closed mind nothing is possible but the content one clings to.Emotionalism is a big problem for it creates strong bonds to erroneous concepts because of ones preference to accept emotional content as true and necessary for ones continued existence.Giving up an emotional construct is similar to suicide because of it's deeply entrenched roots that not only encompass the brain but extends itself into the very nervous system of the individual so inflicted.

 

Ok,i admit,i was playing with reality,i was just tired of the buffoonery of pumpkinhead and i thought what if....What if Trump were actually a bloody genus,what if his crazy behavior were nothing more than misdirection.Have you ever seen the TV show Colombo?Colombo played a detective that would convince those he was investigating that he was a total buffoon.Once his suspects were convinced of his incompetence as a detective they would relax and end up revealing far more than they intended.Smart gig...

 

Seriously though you really need to read some of Bannon's interviews he's not part of the administration for his corpulent goods looks alone. :wink:

Trump is a genius a lot like Kim Jung Un......... I think they use the same play book.

 

Why do you keep insisting I am closed minded? I am more than willing to consider any position, provided there is some evidence to back it up. In all reality, I don't CARE if Trump is buddy buddy with Putin, would that really be a bad thing? If so, in what way? Do you think Trump is going to support Russia rebuilding the USSR??? Do you think there is any likelihood at all of that happening? Doesn't being on good terms with Russia actually REDUCE the chances of confrontation? So far, I am not seeing a downside. In all reality, we should become even MORE buddy buddy with Russia. We should be working WITH them, SUPPORTING Assad in Syria. After all, he maintained some semblance of stability there, until we stepped in, and threw a handful of hand grenades into the works. Sure, he is a dictator, and not a very nice guy, but, I tend to think that the folks in that neck of the woods NEEDS that type of leader to keep all the various sects from killing each other. And here we come along, and not only encourage them to do so, but, supply them with the weapons to do a better job of it.

 

Our record in the middle east quite frankly, sucks. We have the schmidas touch there.... everything we touch turns to feces. The folks there would be better off today, had we done NOTHING there. ISIS wouldn't exist, and a whole let less folks wouldn't be dead. Probably...... (they tend to want to whack each other dead at the drop of a hat.....) For the supposed "world leaders", I think we are going in the wrong direction....... But, too late now for Iraq, Yemen, Libya, et. al. Sorry guys.

[TheMastersSon]

 

Less,brother,far less because as a supporter of Trump and Bannon he has destroyed his own future.

 

Trump and Bannon are not going to succeed there will never be an autocracy in this country without a civil war and we are,the citizenship, far better armed then in any other time in history.I own five guns myself and in my advanced age i would rather die than give up my my arms.

Keep in mind, that various law enforcement agencies, the national guard, and, if it comes down to it, the Army.... are MUCH better armed, likely better trained, and have pretty much a limitless supply of manpower. If you take on the government in an armed conflict, you lose.

The above gets my vote as the most pathetically ignorant claim I've ever read on this site.

 

HeyYou, can you tell us what country you live in, where your federal government derives its power from somebody other than the citizens of your country? You sure as hell don't live in the U.S.

 

If a march to DC was organized, not to demand change but to forcibly replace our current government, do you seriously believe a single U.S. soldier would pick up his gun and start firing on his family and friends, in order to protect a financially and morally bankrupt government? Who would stand to defend it at this point? Anyone?

[HeyYou]

 

 

Less,brother,far less because as a supporter of Trump and Bannon he has destroyed his own future.

 

Trump and Bannon are not going to succeed there will never be an autocracy in this country without a civil war and we are,the citizenship, far better armed then in any other time in history.I own five guns myself and in my advanced age i would rather die than give up my my arms.

Keep in mind, that various law enforcement agencies, the national guard, and, if it comes down to it, the Army.... are MUCH better armed, likely better trained, and have pretty much a limitless supply of manpower. If you take on the government in an armed conflict, you lose.

The above gets my vote as the most pathetically ignorant claim I've ever read on this site.

 

HeyYou, can you tell us what country you live in, where your federal government derives its power from somebody other than the citizens of your country? You sure as hell don't live in the U.S.

 

If a march to DC was organized, not to demand change but to forcibly replace our current government, do you seriously believe a single U.S. soldier would pick up his gun and start firing on his family and friends, in order to protect a financially and morally bankrupt government? Who would stand to defend it at this point? Anyone?

 

On paper, the US government derives it's power from the people, but, that really hasn't been the case for quite some time. If the people actually had any power, do you think we would have started wars based on lies? Would we have invaded a country to kill one man?

 

If a march to DC was organized to overthrow the government, you can bet your bottom dollar there would be troops willing to kill their fellow citizens. And they would indeed do so. If you believe otherwise, I would put forth that YOU are the one living in a delusion.

 

Of course, we will never know for sure, as the typical american has become to fat, dumb, and lazy to ever consider such a course of action. We would all rather sit back at home, in front of our computers, and piss and moan about how screwed up our country is, and it's the "other guys" fault.

[gandalftw]

 

Trump is a genius a lot like Kim Jung Un......... I think they use the same play book.

 

Why do you keep insisting I am closed minded?I haven't. I am more than willing to consider any position, provided there is some evidence to back it up.Your posts,so far,don't reveal that about you. In all reality, I don't CARE if Trump is buddy buddy with Putin, would that really be a bad thing?Then why did you argue the point and refuse to view actual videos of pumkinhead flattering Putin?? If so, in what way? Do you think Trump is going to support Russia rebuilding the USSR???Of course if it benefits Trump and his agenda. Do you think there is any likelihood at all of that happening?Yes. Doesn't being on good terms with Russia actually REDUCE the chances of confrontation?Sure as long as we are good Putin puppets. So far, I am not seeing a downside.Obviously.

In all reality, we should become even MORE buddy buddy with Russia. We should be working WITH them, SUPPORTING Assad in Syria. After all, he maintained some semblance of stability there, until we stepped in, and threw a handful of hand grenades into the works. Sure, he is a dictator, and not a very nice guy, but, I tend to think that the folks in that neck of the woods NEEDS that type of leader to keep all the various sects from killing each other. And here we come along, and not only encourage them to do so, but, supply them with the weapons to do a better job of it.

Pure pumpkinhead lunacy.

 

Our record in the middle east quite frankly, sucks. We have the schmidas touch there.... everything we touch turns to feces. The folks there would be better off today, had we done NOTHING there. ISIS wouldn't exist, and a whole let less folks wouldn't be dead. That's goofy,they would be exactly where they are now. Probably...... (they tend to want to whack each other dead at the drop of a hat.....) For the supposed "world leaders", I think we are going in the wrong direction....... But, too late now for Iraq, Yemen, Libya, et. al. Sorry guys.Apology accepted. :tongue:

The middle east factions that prefer violence instead of peace,that prefer superstitious ignorance

instead of reason is no fault of the US what so ever.Have any attempts by the US to bring the light of reason into an irrational and superstitious world succeeded?No.Is that the fault of the US?No.

 

 

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[gandalftw]

 

 

If a march to DC was organized to overthrow the government, you can bet your bottom dollar there would be troops willing to kill their fellow citizens. And they would indeed do so. If you believe otherwise, I would put forth that YOU are the one living in a delusion.

 

Of course, we will never know for sure, as the typical american has become to fat, dumb, and lazy to ever consider such a course of action. We would all rather sit back at home, in front of our computers, and piss and moan about how screwed up our country is, and it's the "other guys" fault.

 

Pure projection on your part.

Edited June 9, 2017 by gandalftw

[gandalftw]

https://youtu.be/205l4W7nbDA

Edited June 9, 2017 by gandalftw

[RGMage2]

 

 

 

If a march to DC was organized to overthrow the government, you can bet your bottom dollar there would be troops willing to kill their fellow citizens. And they would indeed do so. If you believe otherwise, I would put forth that YOU are the one living in a delusion.

 

Of course, we will never know for sure, as the typical american has become to fat, dumb, and lazy to ever consider such a course of action. We would all rather sit back at home, in front of our computers, and piss and moan about how screwed up our country is, and it's the "other guys" fault.

 

Pure projection on your part.

 

 

 

New York Times May 4th 1970

 

Kent, Ohio, May 4 -- Four students at Kent State University, two of them women, were shot to death this afternoon by a volley of National Guard gunfire. At least 8 other students were wounded.

The burst of gunfire came about 20 minutes after the guardsmen broke up a noon rally on the Commons, a grassy campus gathering spot, by lobbing tear gas at a crowd of about 1,000 young people.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/0504.html#article