bpestilence Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Don't bring up a "silly thing" like Occum's Razor? Uh, okay. You won that debate. In the meantime let's go ahead and see what BETHESDA decides to do. I have a feeling that it won't be what YOU think they should do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bittermans Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Akavir its in fact the Asia/Ancient China/Feudal Japan of Nirn(which is funny since Tamriel is based on the Western Europe, Russia, the north Africa and Middle East)http://images.wikia.com/elderscrolls/images/d/d1/Akavir0yy.jpg Remember that the blades armor is a mix of Samurai Armor and Chinese Warrior About the Tsaesci, Probbaly they're humans but... (taken from Skyrimwiki) -The Tsaesci are entirely human, but their choice of armor (dragonscale), fighting style (katana blades with martial arts like maneuvers), and mounts (red dragons) earned them the name "snake men" from the Imperial Armies. Over centuries, this name came to be taken literally, until modern legend paints them as actual half-snake-half-man monsters. -The Tsaesci are humans, who along with the Ka Po' Tun have a magical ability to shape shift into the animals they identify with their cultures. This gives them the ability to take on the power of that animal. The eating of humans is a symbolic reference to the Tsaesci ability of adapting foreign cultures into their own. For instance "the eating of the Ka Po' Tun" is symbolism describing cultural absorption in their large empire. The rumor that they are literally snakes either comes from the confusion of Tsaesci magic or cultural prejudice against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sajuukkhar9000 Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 (edited) snip You are aware that1. That map is completely fan made2. Skyrimwikis information on everything is wrong? The tasceti are not humans they are snake people, nor has there been any information to support them absorbing other cultures. NEVEREVEREVERUse skyrim wiki, either go to UESP or the Imperial Library. Edited March 13, 2012 by sajuukkhar9000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magiii Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 they are snake vampire! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettM Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Okay, after researching the lore in the UESP wiki, I have become a believer in the appropriateness of DLC involving Akavir. Forget Atmora. What could be more appropriate as a followup to Skyrim than the Last Dragonborn dealing with the Tiger Dragon? Who else could possibly deal with a dragon who is reputedly the largest dragon on Nirn and has intentions of invading Tamriel? An Akaviri invasion attempt is long overdue, and could certainly serve as a unifying force bringing all Tamrielans together, making all issues of rebellion, Empire, Dominion, etc. seem trivial in comparison. Heck, even the Blades might forgive you for refusing to kill Paarthurnax (assuming you did refuse), and there might even be a chance to rally the dragons of Tamriel to fight on your side against the invasion. I see that there are some exciting possibilities in such a storyline, even if it never involves visiting Akavir at all. Though actually going there would certainly be icing on the cake, especially if one also got to travel through areas of Tamriel between Skyrim and Akavir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RighthandofSithis Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 I'd not use the Imperial library, it has been known to post articles that do not use in game evidence. However, I'd have to say that there is credibility in the Tsaesci (Not sure of the spelling) being humans. And at the same time, there is credibility that they are not. Alduin's Wall depicts that Dragonguard (At the time Akaviri [Tsaesci]) as human, with the usual human limbs (and Esbern points out that thwy are the Dragonguard). And In Oblivion, the undead akaviri and their commander appear as human, and while this may be a result of Bethesda just being unable to make an Akaviri race for Oblivion, it may also imply that they are humanoid. And the Akaviri messengers diary states that the Akaviri messenger had humanoid limbs. At the same time, however, the 2029 series clearly depicts the Tsaesci as being snakelike. However, 2029 is a book (series) of entertainment. The Remanada also depicts the Tsaesci as snakelike, I cannot tell if it is pure fact, or if it is legend made to make Talos and the Blades look cool. The statement that the Tsaesci used dragon mounts is unlikely, as they had attempted to eliminate the dragons (and nearly succeeded). All in all, it is pointless trying to establish any solid facts about Akavir (and in some respects, the rest of Nirn). There is little to no solid evidence that is without contradictions in any way. What can be established is that Akavir and Tamriel have a history of warfare, and that Bethesda will not show Akavir in a future TES game or DLC, as that would ruin the mystery (and they seem to be interested in keeping that up). Intellectual debate aside, it would be nice to see something of the Akaviri. And Atmora would be cool, being the homeland of Tamrielic humanity (or most of it), and the whole Nordic feel would be enhanced in Skyrim by doing that (maybe the Companions are involved somehow). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magiii Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 the only reliable source is the Mysterious Akavir book.Tsaesci is "Snake Palace", once the strongest power in Akavir (before the Tiger-Dragon came). The serpent-folk ate all the Men of Akavir a long time ago, but still kind of look like them. They are tall, beautiful (if frightening), covered in golden scales, and immortal. They enslave the goblins of the surrounding isles, who provide labor and fresh blood. The holdings of Tsaesci are widespread. When natives of Tamriel think of the Akaviri they think of the Serpent-Folk, because one ruled the Cyrodilic Empire for four hundred years in the previous era. He was Potentate Versidue-Shaie, assassinated by the Morag Tong. serpent-folk, golden scales. they are not humans. they look a little like them but again they are not humans. and it says when tamrielics think of the akaviri they think of serpent folk! no humans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bittermans Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 (edited) do one knows if the tsaesci is a Bunch of Snakemens or Human/Vampires who use Dragonscale Armor to give that image until bethesda gives to us the truth, we don't know thus Snakeman = NAGA! Edited March 15, 2012 by duoranger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettM Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Alduin's Wall depicts that Dragonguard (At the time Akaviri [Tsaesci]) as human, with the usual human limbs (and Esbern points out that thwy are the Dragonguard).It seems likely that the Tsaeci are not human based on evidence of their extremely long lives and statements about "coiled kings" and "snake captains" in Remanada. But humans and mer have the same usual number of limbs despite being different species, so the limb count is not a sufficient test for determining humanity. A time-worn carving of armored, helmeted warriors on a wall would not allow one to distinguish easily between humans and another species of similar build. I don't think Alduin's Wall can be taken as a smoking gun proving the humanity of the Tsaeci. Furthermore, at the time Alduin's Wall was constructed the Dragonguard had been in Skyrim for around 100 years, correct? (From the time of Reman I to Reman II, with at least one emperor in between). Unless there were many Tsaesci survivors of the battle at Pale Pass -- enough to form a viable breeding population -- wouldn't most of the Dragonguard in 1E 2812-2818 have been humans recruited from the population of the Empire? If so, would it be any surprise if they depicted members of the Dragonguard in a far-future time as being human, regardless of the appearance of the Tsaeci? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubjectProphet Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Tamriel is where TES takes place because Elder Scrolls were written in Tamriel. No TES game will EVER take place on Akavir, mainly because there wouldn't be a connection the any Elder Scrolls, like in Skyrim, you need one in the story. Oblivion, you were described to be the center of the next one. In Akavir, this wouldn't happen. TES games will probably cover every province, then the series will end. There's only one chance of venturing outside of Tamriel, and that's in DLC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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