Timeline: Fallout>Starfield>Elder Scrolls

[MightyZ0G]

we've all seen the speculation following the discovery of the experimental root, but I was thinking about this as I got to the Nucleus and it struck me that the heavy armour worn by the Children of Atom had a distinctly Dwemer look to it.

 

are the Mer folk of TES the mutated descendants of irradiated humans?

 

thoughts?

[DoctorKaizeld]

hmmm, maybe. I always assume FO was the predecessor

[montky]

an interesting question, Mighty-Zog.

lore chats are probably some of the most awesome things about being a bethesda fan;

bethesda's one of the few companies that encourages folks to play with the continuity

and make it their own, while retaining a 'prime continuity'/official continuity that they more actively steer.

Bethesda hasn't felt the need for a "Chee-esque" chief to hand-hold and tell folks what is 'canonical' or not.

 

past Fallout games had Ron Perlman title cards and narrations for all the gamestates in the game,

with continuity being based on a pastiche from among those.

FO4 shows a pastiche of prior gamestates which would only be possible with replays and a merge based on those.

notably, in the contentious depiction of the BoS, and the notable absence of the Enclave, despite signs of Enclave presence.

 

you could write a dissertation about continuities, authorial intent, etc...

I might post the long-form at some point hehe.

 

I digress,

while there are undeniable allusions, and 'intertextuality' between those franchises,

ostensibly at this time as easter eggs or recycling of assets, not as a deliberate intentional crossover,

I personally, in my subjective canon and continuity,

would not like to see those distinct franchises all in the same continuity or persistent universe.

whether my personal stance is proven apocryphal or aligns with 'official-ness-ness', remains to be seen.

 

 

 

most of this will hinge on 'meaning', 'continuity', pluralism, 'authorial intent', 'authorial legitimacy'

and who by what authority determines what exegetical materials are apocrypha or of influence...

 

it's a little like Aliens, Predator and AVP continuities,

or DC, Marvel and other comics continuities or epocs,

or Trek, Wars and the conflation of those in recent continuities

see RedLetterMedia "ScienceMan explains franchises" and "disruptive"-angst-fueled 'creative managerial style".

or, you know, 'no-true-scotspersons' for other 'continuities' -

where some stuff was held by officialdom as apocrypha, led to schism elsewhere in the past...

 

it's about "you know it when you see it" -

for it to be the thing-itself, it has to conform to a formula or recipe for that,

see Scott McCloud "Making Media" rather than a gloss at TVTropes or continuity-geek.org...

cue an analogy: LL Cool J in Toys, speaking about how he envisages his meal.

nb: the tray is a TV Dinner Tray...

"I want my plate compartmentalized. I want my peas in the pea partition. I want the carrots over here with the carrots, I want potatoes in with the potatoes."

 

no doubt, if the inside of the box was configured into bubble and squeak/hodgepodge

it might be as nutritional as the other possible configurations, though it would not resemble the image on the outside of the box.

it wouldn't meet the envisaged expectation of it. it wouldn't be the meal as envisaged,

despite both being comprised of the same parts...

(it's a real Ship-of-theseus paradox/ antique restoration paradox.).

 

 

 

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from post #1: "Are the Mer... descended from |Fallout|? Thoughts?"

 

so, no.

the Mer are from TheElderScrolls-verse.

TheElderScrolls are quite an enjoyable game franchise in its own right,

I enjoy TESIII, then SkyrimSE, then oblivion, then 2 then 1 hehe.

 

the fallout-verse is from the fallout verse.

the plants have a passing resemblance coincidentally at that moment in time.

there are only so many configurations of rags and drab green/brown, so the visual similarity is coincidence,

not as yet a deliberate intentional thing.

 

A well-contextualized premise and framing device for a crossover here or there would be interesting,

it'd have to have a reason "a fissure in space-time sent X,Y,Z through from their universe to another one"

or "it's a virtual recreation on the Memory Den Memory Lounger Virtual Holodeck"

 

but, having it all be in the same universe... it just wouldn't be it anymore.

how would you reconcile majik with science?

"quantum handwave technobabble, allusion to Arthur C Clarke aphorism "magic is science not yet sufficiently understood"?

"it's a holodeck virtual reality'... so, The Matrix, right?

bah

the sci-fi dieselpunk/retropunk fanbase of Fallout would cringe as much as the purist-Fantasy/Magical Realism fans would.

[TheSpaceShuttleChallenger]

I don't know man. I was always a firm believer in Fallout and Elder Scrolls being, yaknow... different universes. Unless science somehow changed the laws of physics to make magic possible and yet somehow this happens quickly enough that most species, despite the significant selective pressure placed on them by a nuclear holocaust, have evolutionary since pre-war earth. And somehow we're going to completely rearrange earth's continents without killing the life there? And dragons happened. Species that were once extinct are now alive and thriving again.

That said, because these games are, in fact, creative works with shared creators, it's perfectly possible for them to have shared themes, whether it's done consciously or unconsciously by the creators. But s#*! like dwemer/CoA armor? There's really only so many ways you can wrap a human body in a metal casing without it being highly impractical for some reason or another.

[Moksha8088]

Later on, in the Fallout wastelands, old videotapes of Homer Simpson were found. The wit and wisdom of Homer Simpson lead to the formation of a cult and over time many myths were created. By utilizing the wit and wisdom of Homer, the wasteland was changed and many great magical deeds were performed. In honor of Homer, the residents even found a way to attract a second moon. Finally, the bulk of the Homeric followers wanted to expand their potential and so left the earth for parts unknown.

 

Vast periods of time passed until even the name of Homer was mostly forgotten and those remaining abbreviated the name to Mer. What came before was referred to as the Merethic Era and that is when the Elder Scrolls entered the picture.

 

Hope this additional lore helps to clarify the long transition from an irradiated wasteland to the beauty of Tamriel.

Edited August 18, 2017 by Moksha8088

[DoctorKaizeld]

Pretty sure the real canon is that Elder Scrolls happened between the point Benny shot the Courier and the Doc patched them up.

[Guerlot]

Actually, they could be in the same universe. They are on two different planets after all. Doesn't mean they are in the same time/period.

 

Fallout world which is Earth, could be the descendants of colonists from a futuristic TES World and their magic simply doesn't work on this colonized planet

[dragonslayer2k12]

I hate this idea of mushing it all together like some really gross sammich at an eating contest. They could hire new writers that don't have some giant political thing shoved up their asses and make something that is actually entertaining and has a good deep story with interesting choices here and there. I don't think we have really ever gotten a really good game from them ever it has mostly been almost a whole game they have sold us. The only two things that make their games an actual game we want to play more than once are the unofficial patch team fixing it up for a year minimum and modders. Oh and the third thing which is the people that figure out how to mod the games in the first place like the x-edit team and the nifskope team and the skse/f4se teams too. If we get one more game out of them and they use the same graphics as fallout 4 that would be fine just don't screw up the story or writing and don't release with all the bugs. The mass effect universe is dead now they don't even intend to deal with the story anymore for single player only focus on multiplayer and tell the rest of the story through some web related crap and comics that nobody reads. The only other major game universes we have left now are call of doody time, brokenfield series, some lame stuff from ubishit and bethesda games. Everything else is fighting games and boring (I see it on the way to work everyday anyway) driving games. We really need some new games from some major devs that can't and won't be bought by the likes of EA or any of the others. Just look how summer movies bombed this year it is obvious people are bored with sequels and the same ol content creators we need new blood soon or the entertainment industry as a whole is going to be very boring for the next few years if not longer.

[saberthechampion]

Can't believe people even think this is something that is possible. The plants were at most a tongue-in-cheek reference to Elder Scrolls that's it. There are easter eggs all throughout their games, doesn't mean anything. Just stop it... :wacko: