Lighting glitch

[McLeod63]

! AHH, I was that guy and posted to the wrong section. Can a mod please move this post to the technical support section? !

Hi everyone,
So I'm getting a lighting glitch from what I'm assuming stems from ingame torches and other light sources. It's exactly the same as in this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5PqHVav0no

I've noticed it inside and outside. It even happens during the day, only the ground/floor isn't as dark.

I initially figured it was a lighting mod, so I disabled any lighting mods I could think off. I also changed settings in my NVIDIA Control Panel, but nothing worked.

I've been doing some digging and it looks like it's something to do with the engine and how it handles light sources. All reports I've seen are from people using Oldrim though.

Here's my load order, just in case. If you see anything in the wrong place, please point it out to me

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

Hearthfires.esm

Dragonborn.esm

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp

BSAssets.esm

BSHeartland.esm

BSPatchSE.esp

arnima.esm

BS_DLC_patch.esp

Falskaar.esm

Better Gray Quarter.esm

ApachiiHairFemales.esm

ApachiiHairMales.esm

SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp

Ducks and Swans.esp

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

dD-Increase Fall Damage.esp

ValdacilsItemSorting.esp

50 More Perk Points.esp

SMIM-Bruma-Patch.esp

VISPatch-BeyondSkyrim.esp

SunDaytimeNorth_MM_default.esp

JBMod.esp

RLO - Interiors.esp

LightngDuringStorm.esp

InnCredible.esp

sandboxcylinderheight.esp

whiterun_guard_outfit.esp

DragonRemains_SSE.esp

LessDragons10.esp

RLO - Effects.esp

RLO - Illuminated Spells.esp

Folkstead.esp

Footprints.esp

3DNPC.esp

Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp

Better Cities Solitude.esp

EEKs Whiterun Interiors.esp

Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul - Skyrim.esp

Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

dD-No Screen Blood.esp

Vivid WeathersSE.esp

TrueStormsSE.esp

Vandia + Fort & Various v2.0.esp

SkyrimUnleveled.esp

Nyhus.esp

Jehanna.esp

Solitude Expansion.esp

Winterhold.esp

Helgen Reborn.esp

RLO - Exteriors.esp

Populated Skyrim Legendary.esp

Eli_Breezehome.esp

Skyrim Alchemy Fixed - Ordinator.esp

ShezrieOldHroldanVer2.esp

Weathered Road Signs.esp

Windhelm Exterior Altered.esp

InnCredible_3DNPC_Patch.esp

morthal.esp

HearthFires Roads.esp

SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp

SU-SkyTEST Patch.esp

Convenient Bridges.esp

Windhelm Bridge Overhaul.esp

SE - Better Cities Patch.esp

Skysan_Icicle.esp

MajesticMountains.esp

Kato's Falkreath.esp

Whitewatch Tower.esp

Clockwork.esp

Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin SSE Version.esp

JKs Whiterun.esp

Reach Mugwort and Thistle.esp

TKAA.esp

Falskaar TKAA Patch.esp

Tel Mithryn.esp

Raven Rock.esp

Skyrim Better Roads and Bridges - All In One - Merged.esp

Run For Your Lives.esp

Cloaks.esp

Rorikstead Revised.esp

Complete Pack.esp

VISPatch-Skyrim Unleveled.esp

TheAutumnOfWhiterunRemastered.esp

Skaal Village.esp

Gavrostead.esp

Swamp - Poison bloom.esp

Shor's Stone.esp

WhiterunStablesTweaks.esp

SPTConsistentOlderPeopleSE.esp

OpulentOutfits_2017-SSE AIO.esp

Cats-in-SkyrimSSE.esp

AF Dragonborn Village.esp

MajesticMountains_Moss.esp

Halls Of Dovahndor SSE.esp

Ivarstead.esp

Morgensterns Mushroom circles.esp

Helarchen Creek.esp

Kynesgrove.esp

Soljund's Sinkhole.esp

Karthwasten.esp

Raven Rock - Clockwork Patch.esp

More Guards (Imperial ESP only).esp

Dynamic Giant Campfires.esp

JKs Whiterun exterior.esp

The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

SmallEnviromentalFixes(SEF).esp

Immersive Music Temples.esp

Immersive Music Replacer.esp

stonhenge + hilltops.esp

ClosedBorderGates.esp

JK's SkyHaven Forge.esp

DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp

Deku tree.esp

DDCse Deleveled patch.esp

RLO - JK's Riverwood.esp

RLO - JK's Whiterun.esp

RLO - VIS Patch.esp

Vivid Weathers & True Storms MCP.esp

Vivid Weathers - Extended Snow.esp

JK's Riverwood.esp

UniqueLocationsRiverwoodForest.esp

ULRiverwoodForestJKPatch.esp

Snapneck Shack.esp

ELSnapneckShackPatch.esp

RealisticWaterTwo.esp

RealisticWaterTwo+-+Verdant+Patch.esp

RWT Lod Fix.esp

Vivid Weathers - Extended Rain.esp

IcePenguinWorldMap.esp

3dnpc - Overhual.esp

3DNPC TKAA Patch.esp

When Vampires Attack.esp

Brows.esp

ISC Enhanced Blood Patch.esp

Realistic Death Physics - No Animations - Skyrim.esp

Search and Destroy.esp

LWPlayerHeadTracking.esp

No NPC Greetings.esp

PrinceandPauper.esp

Immersive Sword Draw Sound Effects.esp

BlanketScarf.esp

HearthfireMultiKid.esp

BlanketScarvesLeveledLists.esp

1nivWICCloaks.esp

LSFX-SSE-Audiosettings.esp

Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp

Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp

sirwho_Wizard_Hat.esp

zz_GDRAHoods.esp

Immersive Weapons.esp

Unique Uniques.esp

HearthfireMultikid_PNP Patch.esp

ApachiiHelmetWigs.esp

HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp

Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp

RR.IM.Hotfix.esp

Darkwater Crossing.esp

more idle markers.esp

EEKs Whiterun Int - ICAIO patch v1.2.esp

Whistling Mine.esp

Weathered Road Signs - Whistling Mine.esp

RLO - IC Patch.esp

MLU.esp

VISPatch-MLU.esp

ISC Morrowloot Ultimate Simplified Patch.esp

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

ULALPatch.esp

Bruma - Alternate Start.esp

VISPatch-AlternateStart.esp

RAO - Alternate Start Patch.esp

EEKs Whiterun Int - Alternate Start patch v1.2.esp

ASLAL-Folkstead-plugin.esp

ASLAL-Nyhus-plugin.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

ASLAL-Haafstad-plugin.esp

EzEWorldMapSE.esp

Edited August 17, 2017 by McLeod63

[belenbelen]

Do you use ENB ?

[LeddBate]

I would be tempted to say that Realistic Lighting Overhaul is conflicting with something else in your load order. Hanged If I can figure out what though. Try a new game with everything checked on the plug-in page (I'm presuming you use NMM) EXCEPT RLO (and all of it's patches.) See if the problem persists in the new game. If not, now at least you know it's something conflicting with RLO. Might be as simple as an outdated patch for one of the other mods.

Edited October 2, 2017 by LeddBate

[NikitaDarkstar]

I'm also inclined to say RLO may be the issue. It's Exterior plugin is known to not always get along with things that modify weather or exterior lights, and it's Interior plugin doesn't always get along with things that touch upon interior lights. Also you got what looks to be weather and light mods sorted both above and below your RLO .esp's try putting all of them either above OR below RLO and see if it makes a difference (I personally don't play with an extensive weather mods right now, but a messy load order can cause a lot of weird problems)

[yian]

I think you simply have too many light sources in one scene. This is a problem in Oldrim but not in Fallout 4 so you would think that this is something Bethesda could fix for SSE, but no.

 

With or without mods, there are part of the game that reaches the light source number limit. And when you add one more light source with your torch, the game needs to shut down one of them. This is a limitation of the game engine. There is nothing you can do about it. (if you disable the "Spell cast loght" option in RLO you will not have this issue with your spells in your hand. But when you lit a torch the same area will bug out again - unless it is bugged by a mod that adds additional lights, which you can then fix by disabling that mod as well.)

 

If you want to keep using RLO, pay extra attention when you are in an interior cell. Light a torch or a lantern while you are inside, and you will encounter this bug more often. One place I know for sure has reached the light limit is Belethor's shop in Whiterun. Go in there, with RLO enabled, and light a torch, and watch the lights go on and off.)

 

I am more concerned with your pitch black shadow, though. Your game looks like Doom 3 right now. Was that intentional?

Edited October 4, 2017 by yian