War with N. Korea?

[TheMastersSon]

Welcome to the age of nuclear blackmail, brought to you by the fine folks of North Korea. :)

 

I don't know if Kim is crazy, stupid, or..... crafty. So far, he has made a lot of noise, and threats, but, hasn't done anything that could be directly considered an 'act of war'. (although, sinking a s. korea ship, and shelling a s. korean island SHOULD have been considered as such.) So long as all he does is holler and scream, we can't really touch him, without setting off a larger conflict. Unfortunately, I believe that we need to wait for him to make the first act of real aggression, in order to keep China, and Russia, from coming in on his side. And it HAS to be an overt act, that is clearly perpetrated by the N. Korean government.

The claim that NK has not done anything that directly constitutes an act of war is beyond ignorant. They're boasting about their ability to hit L.A. and S.F. with nuclear warheads. So I take that for what it is: a direct and imminent threat (again, as was falsely claimed for Iraq) against the lives of myself, family and millions of other people in my state. Unfortunately for Jong-un, I'm not Korean and I'm not obligated to live under his thumb or those of any other emotionally disturbed loser dictators who never had their asses handed to them until they met my country. There have been many throughout our history and frankly I'm looking forward to this one more than most others. This so-called leader and his pathetic excuse for a government have been warts on the face of humanity for far too long imo. If NK wishes to play WMD, we have almost a century of R&D ahead of them, e.g. with our space-based laser defenses the only question is whether they'll get as far as opening the hatches and bays to at least most (and with any luck all) of their hallowed missiles. This is true regardless of where they are, even offshore of our own country. The speed of light is very fast. Also, as a reminder, just a few of our subs can convert the entire Korean Peninsula into radioactive glass in under 15 minutes, without a single U.S. soldier getting his boots wet and absolutely regardless of what's happening or happened on our mainland. In other words it's assured suicide for NK to strike first, there is no such thing as a pre-emptive strike for them just as there wasn't one for Japan in 1941. It didn't stop them from dropping their bombs first.

 

By all accounts (except his own of course) Jong-un is in no position to win a conventional war, so to defend his inherited regime that has been the world's poster child for terror, repression, poverty and utter dysfunction for 70 years, he's resorted to his last and desperate option: WMD terror. We not only should deal with the problem, imo we must do it ASAP. I'm hoping our CIA still has a sense of humor, i.e. when the same WMD situation arose with Pakistan some decades ago, it was reported that our CIA had secretly and permanently disabled the triggers on their warheads etc. My own dream is to rig their missile system(s) so that when the launch button is pressed, all they'll get is Kate Smith continuously singing "God Bless America" at full volume throughout their military base, with no way of shutting it off short of destroying the base. Such things are entirely possible given the current disparity of capabilities between our two countries.

Edited October 29, 2017 by TheMastersSon

[HeyYou]

Oh, for my own sake, yeah, I would agree with you that the threats lil kim his continuously uttered would most certainly constitute an act of war, if said by any other countries leader........ But, because of the situation being what it is...... We also need China and Russia to agree with that assessment. (and I don't see that ever happening.)

 

I also agree that we need to do something about him SOON. The longer we wait, the worse the consequences are going to be. At this point, unless lil kim takes a MAJOR step back on his position, there aren't going to be any negotiations.... Not that I have any illusions that negotiations would do anything other than give him more time to develop his weapons programs...... Which pretty much makes war inevitable. The question now becomes, do we want to fight him NOW, when his nuclear arsenal is quite limited, or, do we want to wait some more, and be pretty much assured of nuclear escalation?

[TheMastersSon]

As stated previously imo it's why waiting is not an option. The longer we delay the more people will die, and the eventual difference would be counted in billions not millions.

[HeyYou]

As stated previously imo it's why waiting is not an option. The longer we delay the more people will die, and the eventual difference would be counted in billions not millions.

But if we rush into it, we initiate WWIII....... Either China needs to deal with him, (or Russia for that matter I suppose) or lil Kim needs to make the first move. If we attack 'preemptively', China and Russia will join NK..... and the situation escalates FAR to quickly.

[TheMastersSon]

I'm not sure if any love is currently lost between NK and Beijing, especially since Jong-un "purged" China's most influential faction within his regime not long ago. China's main concern is or should be that they stand in the direct path of WMD fallout in NK and (again as mentioned earlier) this forcibly involves them. But imo Jong-un's regime can be handled with conventional forces, if one includes lasers in the latter category. They're not technically WMDs but boy the power and speed of a good laser can't be beat for surgical precision. :)

[HeyYou]

I'm not sure if any love is currently lost between NK and Beijing, especially since Jong-un "purged" China's most influential faction within his regime not long ago. China's main concern is or should be that they stand in the direct path of WMD fallout in NK and (again as mentioned earlier) this forcibly involves them. But imo Jong-un's regime can be handled with conventional forces, if one includes lasers in the latter category. They're not technically WMDs but boy the power and speed of a good laser can't be beat for surgical precision. :smile:

China recently stated that if WE fire the first shot, they would support NK, but, if NK fires the first shot, they will not intervene. (and this was after the purge......) I would just as soon not gamble WWIII on China sitting it out if we strike first.

[TheMastersSon]

Our ability and responsibility to defend ourselves and our Constitution are not and should never be dependent on what "China" (read: the unelected and until 1979 unrecognized by our country graft operation that calls itself the PRC) or anyone/everyone else thinks about it, or their responses. Again I think everything will be done to limit our operation to conventional weapons, if that's not good enough for whomever it's their problem not ours. A nuclear-equipped NK is not an option for a very long list of reasons, if China is seriously this stupid and myopic again it's their problem and we must not allow it to become ours. I refuse to live under NK's thumb even if it's only a potential thumb.

 

Bottom line imo: if this is shaping up to be a global conflagration between free people and enslaved people, bring it on imo and the sooner the better. We've had 45 years of godless thugs sucking every drop of economic life out of our and most other Western countries, there is no economic recovery for us as long as Nixon's obscene and traitorous "gate" remains open. If war is the only way to reestablish integrity in the global free market, again the sooner the better imo. I never imagined "better dead than red" would come to pass 25 years after the USSR fell in 1992, and I guess another thank you is in order to Henry Kissinger for his insistence the last half century that "China" has no ambition to global dominance. But if our president had a fraction of the brains he claims to have, he could easily force Jong-un's hand of violence by diplomatic means. Imagine the latter's response to proceedings to make Korea (or at least South Korea) our 51st state, or something similar like a U.S. territory or protectorate etc.

Edited October 31, 2017 by TheMastersSon

[HeyYou]

If their response is a declaration of war, I would much prefer to avoid that. Seeing millions dead isn't something I would consider a 'successful' campaign.

 

That, and even if it did end up that way, I seriously doubt it would change much in our 'global economy'. Too many people in power make too much money in the current circumstances, they are not going to willingly change that.

[TheMastersSon]

Short of NK handling their own problem, which almost never happens with military dictatorships, I think we're looking at lots of dead people regardless, and the longer we wait the worse it will be. When Jong-un isn't busy threatening us with nuclear holocaust he's doing the same to the other two-thirds of his own country. So I'm baffled by the PRC's apparent desire to keep this monster in power. He'll eventually explode in their faces regardless of what our country does.

[HeyYou]

Short of NK handling their own problem, which almost never happens with military dictatorships, I think we're looking at lots of dead people regardless, and the longer we wait the worse it will be. When Jong-un isn't busy threatening us with nuclear holocaust he's doing the same to the other two-thirds of his own country. So I'm baffled by the PRC's apparent desire to keep this monster in power. He'll eventually explode in their faces regardless of what our country does.

Yeah, I really don't expect to see anything change here from within. It hasn't happened in almost 70 years, (and three generations of kims....) no reason to expect that to change.

 

China HAS been more cooperative when it comes to NK of late. It's possible that they are finally figuring out that their 'buffer dictator' is just as dangerous to them, as he is to everyone else. Whether they will actually DO something about it though.... well, that's another question entirely. They could solve the problem in a week, if they had the correct motivation.

 

Wonder what they would do if we flat out TOLD them "Solve this problem yourselves, or WE WILL." and give them a deadline...... Think they would actually make an attempt?