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[HeyYou]

There's a fundamental difference between disagreeing with the politics of a president and considering him unfit to hold the office. It's specifically why I'd like to know if Trump is the first president to be considered unfit by a majority.

 

Nearly all free countries on Earth have provisions in their laws to deal with incompetent and unqualified leaders, in many countries it's called a "vote of no confidence" etc. The bottom line in a free democracy is that the people are not obligated to employ or continue employing anyone who's unfit or unqualified for their office. Even our president.

I am not entirely sure the question has ever been asked "officially" before. I know I heard it a few times shortly after Obama was elected, but, I don't remember seeing any polls, or much of anything else in the way of pushing that particular idea.

 

Of course, Politics has been becoming more and more partisan as times goes on as well. The divide between left, and right, has grown enormous, and I don't see that trend reversing any time soon either. Doesn't matter which party is in office.... Instead of "doing what's right for the country", a philosophy that died years ago, (roughly about the time citizens united was passed..... probably before that) It's now more about making sure the 'other party' can't do anything good. Doesn't matter if its good for the country or not.

 

Our government has lost it's way, and elections aren't going to change that. Impeaching Trump isn't going to change that.

[TheManitor]

What is fascinating is that you have the great opportunity to understand such power right here and now on a micro scale.
All my 9 posts were removed. Including the very benign one I made here. They are all being processed right now, I imagine to see if there can be a cumulative reason to ban me for legitimate reasons. Regardless I am sure that I will be removed soon enough.

If Google is ever pressured by government or other corporate interests or if it finds a new model to finance itself once Internet 2.0 (The corporate internet, the internet after net neutrality. Do @Google some of these terms before it's too late ) then you can imagine what is happening to me here to happen to you all on a macro scale.


Your voices will not be silenced nor even drenched out in the noise as Youtube is attempting to do now with its algorithms.
They will simply be ignored. One way streets in dark alleys that can no longer be accessed. Where wrong opinions are left to wallow in their own despair. edit: But worse than this so will the content that you create, unless you can afford a premium to go along with its hopefully benign nature.

Edited December 3, 2017 by TheManitor

[HeyYou]

What is fascinating is that you have the great opportunity to understand such power right here and now on a micro scale.

All my 9 posts were removed. Including the very benign one I made here. They are all being processed right now, I imagine to see if there can be a cumulative reason to ban me for legitimate reasons. Regardless I am sure that I will be removed soon enough.

 

If Google is ever pressured by government or other corporate interests or if it finds a new model to finance itself once Internet 2.0 (The corporate internet, the internet after net neutrality. Do @Google some of these terms before it's too late ) then you can imagine what is happening to me here to happen to you all on a macro scale.

 

 

Your voices will not be silenced nor even drenched out in the noise as Youtube is attempting to do now with its algorithms.

They will simply be ignored. One way streets in dark alleys that can no longer be accessed. Where wrong opinions are left to wallow in their own despair. edit: But worse than this so will the content that you create, unless you can afford a premium to go along with its hopefully benign nature.

We are being ignored now, so, aside from having lighter wallets, nothing much will really change.

[TheMastersSon]

What is fascinating is that you have the great opportunity to understand such power right here and now on a micro scale.

All my 9 posts were removed. Including the very benign one I made here. They are all being processed right now, I imagine to see if there can be a cumulative reason to ban me for legitimate reasons. Regardless I am sure that I will be removed soon enough.

 

If Google is ever pressured by government or other corporate interests or if it finds a new model to finance itself once Internet 2.0 (The corporate internet, the internet after net neutrality. Do @Google some of these terms before it's too late ) then you can imagine what is happening to me here to happen to you all on a macro scale.

 

Your voices will not be silenced nor even drenched out in the noise as Youtube is attempting to do now with its algorithms. They will simply be ignored. One way streets in dark alleys that can no longer be accessed. Where wrong opinions are left to wallow in their own despair. edit: But worse than this so will the content that you create, unless you can afford a premium to go along with its hopefully benign nature.

Well I can't comment on what I can't read, but based on this post I hope you manage to stick around. My experience with this site's mods over the years has never been anything other than overly generous and more than completely fair and reasonable.

 

The current push to destroy net neutrality and convert the internet into simply an alternate delivery system for basic cable TV was both predictable and inevitable imo. It's the final and futile death gasp from last century's entertainment establishment, and their ridiculous campaign to cancel the new century. But as mentioned this campaign has already been defeated, the only missing ingredient is time. I think the old saying about things getting worse before they get better applies here as long as our FCC is controlled by prostituted traitors.

Edited December 3, 2017 by TheMastersSon

[TheManitor]

I'm not sticking around anyway. This isn't a place to stick around in anyway, this isn't a community, it's a business. I'm just passing through. I find this site to be a terrible place. As just one example I've noticed from browsing is that the hypocrites here ban people for a lifetime if they are software pirates (not only if they advocate software piracy or link to it). I know that every person I know well (except myself of course) has pirated software for example. My father, my mother, my cousins, my best friend, several of my university professors, my boss and my local deli owner.

I am sure that they who own this site are not different and everyone they know but their wholesome selves have done so. But because they are part of a corporate structure they see it from the corporate perspective and not the personal perspective. Now this wouldn't be an issue if there were a plethora of places to visit. But there aren't. And of course, they also ban you for evading bans. So essentially some poor sucker from a third world country or some kid who doesn't get a lot of money every month gets excluded from all mods for several games because they posted something oh so incriminating here on this wonderful place that just wants to "keep track of its users" by forcing registrations on them all.

 

It's disgusting. But it is nothing compared to what will happen with sites the big sites soon enough.

Also, your senators are not traitors. They serve their enablers. Why didn't you donate 1000 usd last year to your favourite candidate? What percentage of your income would that be in comparison to your total income? 4%?2?1? In a capitalist world money talks. The public isn't even paying their union dues while the wealthy organize capital to back their favourite candidates.

And no, HeyYou. Maybe if you're a basementdweller that changes their alias every 10 months you've been ignored. But many companies, systems and people have flourished in what used to be the free and open and community driven web that preceded this prison that is upon us now. It was torrents I am sure that forced the dawn of payed streaming sites and DRM free vendors like GOG and Humble Bundle. Social media was instrumental in several revolutions and revolts in Europe, the US and especially in the Arab countries. I wonder if it ever again will be now that "sensitive" content is to e censored or at the very least demonetized.

Edited December 4, 2017 by TheManitor

[TheMastersSon]

Also, your senators are not traitors. They serve their enablers. Why didn't you donate 1000 usd last year to your favourite candidate?

I'm assuming or at least hoping your question is rhetorical, since you know absolutely nothing about my political contributions last year. Your question also ignores the fact that no favourite candidate existed in the last election for many or probably most Americans. Our two practical choices were Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, and if we had been required to sit down and intentionally come up with two worse candidates for president I don't think any of us could have done so. Our underlying two problems are a lack of term limits in our Congress, and an at this point entirely corrupt and dysfunctional two-party political cartel that operates in collusion and maintains control by perpetually keeping half of the electorate yelling and pointing fingers at the other half. Intentionally and on every issue. It works the exact same way in virtually all free countries, e.g. I can't stand watching or even listening to British House of Commons proceedings for the same reason. It's beyond ridiculous and counterproductive.

[HeyYou]

 

Also, your senators are not traitors. They serve their enablers. Why didn't you donate 1000 usd last year to your favourite candidate?

I'm assuming or at least hoping your question is rhetorical, since you know absolutely nothing about my political contributions last year. Your question also ignores the fact that no favourite candidate existed in the last election for many or probably most Americans. Our two practical choices were Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, and if we had been required to sit down and intentionally come up with two worse candidates for president I don't think any of us could have done so. Our underlying two problems are a lack of term limits in our Congress, and an at this point entirely corrupt and dysfunctional two-party political cartel that operates in collusion and maintains control by perpetually keeping half of the electorate yelling and pointing fingers at the other half. Intentionally and on every issue. It works the exact same way in virtually all free countries, e.g. I can't stand watching or even listening to British House of Commons proceedings for the same reason. It's beyond ridiculous and counterproductive.

 

This I am in complete agreement with. Term limits would go a long way toward improving this country.

 

And our elections have been the choice between the lesser of two evils for quite some time now...... Unfortunately, some are not very much 'lesser' than the other......

 

And yes, folks get banned here for piracy, advocating piracy, etc. Mainly because, it's actually a crime.... Doesn't matter if 'everyone' does it. It's still illegal.

[TheMastersSon]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42224660

 

If anyone can decipher any semblance of an established story in this article, please do share. Because Trump's story about these accusations is changing sometimes by the minute, depending on his audience. This is simultaneous with his proclamations that James Comey is a nutjob, that our FBI is in shambles and doing a terrible job etc etc.

 

In Trump's 1992 Tonight Show interview, when asked why he divorced Ivana his response was either exactly or something extremely close to the following: "Oh, you know, you get tired of one woman after a while." If you think he was going for laughs, watch the footage if you ever can find it. The gasps of shock from studio audience members were clearly audible to my family who was watching this show along with me, and we all looked at each other in utter disgust as he proceeded to further parade his abject misogyny to the world without the slightest indication of either a conscience or shame. I'm the last person who'd ever deny the maturation process to anyone, but Trump was already in his mid-40's when he made these public comments and I've seen no evidence since then to suggest he's evolved beyond it.

 

As mentioned, imo if that interview footage had been made available by Comcast/NBC during the last election, as it was repeatedly requested and denied, it would have easily knocked Trump out of the race altogether. So what he's about to do for Comcast/NBC is either pure or primarily payback, at the direct sacrifice and expense of our constitutional rights. I wonder how much longer it will take Congress and the American people to recognize this destructive process. The world has seen it before almost verbatim.

Edited December 4, 2017 by TheMastersSon

[HeyYou]

And just what is it he is supposedly doing? The net neutrality thing? That's the head of the FCC. (yes, I know, a Trump appointee.) Personally, I don't think the donald has a clue what net neutrality really is.

 

Trump is a misogynist. That doesn't come as a surprise. Hilary covered for a philanderer. So what? If you think that would have been enough to knock either out of the race, you seriously overestimate moral values here in the US.

[TheMastersSon]

It's been less than a year and Trump is already where Richard Nixon was immediately before he resigned, i.e. claiming he's above our law and not subject to obstruction of justice charges from our DOJ etc. I'll be amazed if Trump sees his first anniversary in office before he's forced to resign or is faced with impeachment. It's the same two eventual choices Nixon had, so imo current defense of him will soon translate into perpetual embarrassment. :)

 

IMO (not just my opinion) Trump is morally unqualified to be our president, so I've never bestowed and could never bestow that title on him or anyone else I morally object to. Also our Constitution not only provides for but requires immoral public office holders to be removed. Again, none of that has anything to do with politics or party, or even issue positions unless one claims abject misogyny as a debate topic. The real problem and issue is moral integrity and therefore qualification to serve in public office.

 

Where I part ways with many or most other Trump critics is that, while no other option exists but to judge his behavior, since he is the one presuming to be qualified for his office, I also would never be dumb enough to blame him personally for who he's become after so many decades of fame and unrestricted wealth. Something very close to anyone in the same position turns out the same way. Our candidate choices were just one major symptom of an even bigger actual problem.

 

We're off-topic with Trump in this thread, but I don't want to start a separate one until the FCC votes later this week and/or next.

Edited December 6, 2017 by TheMastersSon