Is the fight for net neutrality that important

[Wolfer4004]

Again I quote "our constitutional rights for internet traffic should be stripped?"

Having Internet access and the First Amendment are 2 totally different things. I personally don't think much will come of this. Right now it's just a bunch of "what if's" and "this could happen". It's all getting blown out of proportion and mostly for political reasons.

[TheMastersSon]

Having Internet access and the First Amendment are 2 totally different things.

I never said they weren't. The issue is free speech etc rights on common carrier communications networks, including the internet.

 

The latter part of your post qualifies as outright disinformation. It's not just a bunch of what-if's, and the people who made this decision, their bald-faced and vested lies notwithstanding, know far better than you or I what the eventual results of this decision would be, if it was able to stand. The only question that remains is whether enough Americans still care enough to save their own constitutional rights.

[Winter40]

Again I quote "our constitutional rights for internet traffic should be stripped?"

Having Internet access and the First Amendment are 2 totally different things. I personally don't think much will come of this. Right now it's just a bunch of "what if's" and "this could happen". It's all getting blown out of proportion and mostly for political reasons.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. - Edmund Burke .

 

 

This quote sums up my thoughts on the matter You maybe right nothing may come of this but the fact remains that the FCC whom is there for the purpose of protecting the consumers and regulating these companies has failed as current law stands and while deregulation was not main the cause of the financial crisis it did play a part as corporate banks who took advantage of relaxed regulations.

 

We are still feeling the effects of that mess people echoed the same statement you have made above but something did happen and we paid a price for it and may one day in the future pay a bigger price. I maybe completely off the mark and completely wrong. If I am i will accept that and move on but until that is the case I am not going to sit and wait and be silent about something I feel is a ticking time bomb.

[TheMastersSon]

I'm sorry to inform you that the bomb just exploded last Thursday.

 

If this decision isn't reversed by our Congress or courts it will delay the internet's inevitable fate (as a protected common carrier utility, because THAT'S WHAT IT IS) by years, and imo our current federal government has no chance whatsoever of surviving the interim. As mentioned above I have no clue at all what other reaction our federal employees were or still are expecting to this obscene stripping of their own bosses' rights, their wholesale ignorance of popular will and treason to their sworn oaths of office. My worst fear is that this treason extends to our Congress, and a majority decide to continue being accomplices to it. Unless our employees are prepared to start incarcerating millions of their bosses, people who are guilty of absolutely nothing other than fulfilling their God-given responsibility to defend their own constitutional rights, as of now it's 320 million free Americans against Comcast, Sony, Disney, and their paid prostitutes in our federal government. And I am very, very glad I'm not on the latter side of this battle. Because long-term there really is no battle. Our country is one of the few remaining industrialized countries on Earth that has yet to recognize internet traffic as a common carrier utility, and recognize/protect constitutional rights for its citizens on this two-way communications network. A question somebody needs to ask our current fake FCC Chair is, if our internet does not qualify as a common carrier utility, why do our landline and mobile telephone networks qualify as one?

 

Every day this decision stands is another day of legalized fascism in America, and the resulting national anger can and will only grow exponentially over time. If anything remains of my beloved country this issue won't be going away in our news headlines until our government does the inevitable. Judging from the number of unsolicited notices for protest organization etc I'm getting around the web, the inevitable will be done sooner rather than later. Thank God. I've got absolutely nothing against either the media/entertainment industry or their/the corporate profit motive, however the FCC's decision puts the American people on a direct, inevitable and imo definitely fatal collision course with our own paid and elected employees. And our internet providers, who unfortunately today are still legally allowed to also be our media/content producers. IMO eventually this will also be either restricted or banned outright in our country, due to the myriad, fundamental and inherent conflicts of interest between the two, but obviously not before our current fake FCC can be replaced with a legitimate one that operates in the best interest of the American people (AS CHARTERED) instead of Comcast and Disney Corp.

Edited December 20, 2017 by TheMastersSon

[Amoryenar]

Monopoly has been illegal for years, not sure how many but it came in the wake of the oil and train stuff from Rockefeller and people like that(my history is bad). What Ajit Pai proposed and voted for is basically ALLOWING a monopoly on the internet. That's why this is a big deal. They basically said, "you can overcharge and we won't do anything about it."

 

I read in another post that there is a bill to overturn his vote because he violated something something about comments something something I can't remember. In other words, he ignored the populace and in a democracy(which we CLAIM TO HAVE) that's a big ol' no no.

[TheMastersSon]

The people who built the internet know perfectly well where the 80% of responses to our FCC's call for public comments on net neutrality, that by all accounts were illegitimate, came from. IMO it will go down in our history books as the last dying and desperate throes of last century's cable TV and media/entertainment establishments, to impose by colluded government force if necessary their last century business (i.e. content and copyright controls/distribution control/etc) models onto our new century's primary communications medium, the internet. This machine will not die a quiet death because of the depth and longevity of their financial and other hooks in our current set of federal employees. It's been the case since the two were married under the Reagan Administration. Edited December 20, 2017 by TheMastersSon

[Deleted54170User]

Now it is your turns. You better not be dilly-dallying away the rest of the day.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/12/urgent-we-only-have-hours-left-stop-nsa-expansion-bill

 

The NSA is now the present problem and it is 6 hours Until 1984.

 

The little bit of a flash of memory that TheMastersSon stirred out of my College days got me hunting.

 

In 1974 President Nixon was coming to Spokane Washington to cut the ribbon at Expo 74. The Vietnam veterans Coop was strong and we'd been told we were getting front row seats.

 

People came to town and separated us via offerings. The rally singer got a recording contract. We were listening to the rally song he was singing and one of the guys raised his voice and shouted, Hey! We're supposed to be in our seat's. Another guy shouted, Hey! There are people shooting pictures of us up in the buildings windows. We raised our signs and began to cheer.

 

They were separating up. The Vietnam Veterans Coop we started got broken up. Thanks to Nixon in his bathroom shout was recorded and shared, we managed to gather our will together saw that he got Impeached.

 

And again I find myself straining to get a point across when I find the next attack is just like the old saying reminded me, "Theres a Snake in the Grass." Yeah! The scientists tested their warrior improvement drugs on U. S. Marines too.

 

Someone reminded me and because losing all my friends was the worst experience in all my youthful experience I recalled how it all happened.

 

Bob Hope, "Thanks for the Memories."

 

Or like the ancient Shaman's call it, "Thanks for the Flashbacks."

 

 

 

 

 

Now it's your turns. You better not be dilly-dallying with a bunch of UFO and Net-Neutrality complaints.

[Aurielius]

 

IMO this question doesn't even belong in the Debates forum. Can someone explain who, aside from Comcast, Disney, Sony and their paid representative in our Senate, Orrin Hatch, decided that our constitutional rights for internet traffic should be stripped?

 

Anybody care to answer that?

 

Since when has abject treason against our Constitution by our own incompetent fake president and FCC been a debatable issue in our country?

OTT hyperbole much? You are tossing out accusations of treason and enumerating non existent constitutional rights.

 

The end of net neutrality is not the Apocalypse, just the end of DC's more recent picking of winners and losers in the market place. When has DC's participation in anything business related worked out well for the general economy? Last but not least it's a regulatory change which can be reversed by another administration.

[TheMastersSon]

The end of net neutrality is not the Apocalypse, just the end of DC's more recent picking of winners and losers in the market place.

IMO that claim and spin rank somewhere between nauseating and whatever comes after it. Truly vile imo. Your free speech and other God-given communication rights for internet traffic have just been sold to Comcast and Disney by Fox News correspondent Donald Trump. The picking of winners and losers? What lost on Thursday was the legitimacy of our current FCC and president, and those of us who care about these institutions are imo rightfully outraged. But thank you for your post anyway, and for reminding me to stop using the term absolute prostitution because there is in fact no such thing.

 

Meanwhile here in America, the imo reliable word is that this issue is already handled and the FCC decision will be reversed in its entirety and as soon as it's legally possible. So I'll stop ranting for now and wait for the vote. God bless America, and if the vote fails, God bless the former America.

Edited December 20, 2017 by TheMastersSon

[Aurielius]

 

The end of net neutrality is not the Apocalypse, just the end of DC's more recent picking of winners and losers in the market place.

IMO that claim and spin rank somewhere between nauseating and whatever comes after it. Truly vile imo. Your free speech and other God-given communication rights for internet traffic have just been sold to Comcast by Fox News correspondent Donald Trump. The picking of winners and losers? What lost on Thursday was our representative democracy and not all of us are happy about it. But thank you for your post anyway, and reminding me that there really is no such thing as absolute prostitution.

 

Meanwhile here in America, the imo reliable word is that this issue is already handled and the FCC decision will be reversed in its entirety and as soon as it's legally possible. So I'll stop ranting for now and wait for the vote. God bless America. :smile:

 

Kindly direct me to the Bible passage or the line in the Constitution that enumerates these rights. The only inalienable rights that I am aware of are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

To my knowledge the real loser in this roll back of regulations is internet porn....and frankly I couldn't give damn about how well their business model does.