Senate bill to save Net Neutrilty

[TheMastersSon]

The dems repeal stuff the repubs do, the repubs repeal stuff the dems do, ad infinitum. Meanwhile the plutocrats rape the country for its wealth and land, destroying natural resources to line their pockets.

I assume you're from Alaska? Sure hope you like oil spills and the sight of wells all over your Arctic Refuge, because the Republicans just opened it up for drilling. Did you know that according to Skunk Works at Lockheed-Martin, a group definitely not known for exaggerated claims, for less than the cost of a single year's federal tax subsidies to the oil industry ($40B), our country has the capability to do the remaining R&D for commercially viable fusion power plants?

Edited December 23, 2017 by TheMastersSon

[HeyYou]

 

The dems repeal stuff the repubs do, the repubs repeal stuff the dems do, ad infinitum. Meanwhile the plutocrats rape the country for its wealth and land, destroying natural resources to line their pockets.

I assume you're from Alaska? Sure hope you like oil spills and the sight of wells all over your Arctic Refuge, because the Republicans just opened it up for drilling. Did you know that according to Skunk Works at Lockheed-Martin, a group who are by no means known for exaggerated claims, for less than the cost of a single year's federal tax subsidies to the oil industry ($40B), our country has the capability to do the remaining R&D work for commercially viable fusion power plants?

 

Erm, they have been drilling in Alaska for quite some time now. They may have opened up more areas to allow drilling, but, that isn't anything new either.

 

I have been hearing that "we are so close to viable fusion power" for decades. We still don't have it. Too many companies researching and experimenting, in too many countries, for a viable 'suppressed by X' argument to work. There is a company in Ann Arbor that has been poking at it for more than 30 years. They still don't have a working fusion reactor.

[TheMastersSon]

 

 

The dems repeal stuff the repubs do, the repubs repeal stuff the dems do, ad infinitum. Meanwhile the plutocrats rape the country for its wealth and land, destroying natural resources to line their pockets.

I assume you're from Alaska? Sure hope you like oil spills and the sight of wells all over your Arctic Refuge, because the Republicans just opened it up for drilling. Did you know that according to Skunk Works at Lockheed-Martin, a group who are by no means known for exaggerated claims, for less than the cost of a single year's federal tax subsidies to the oil industry ($40B), our country has the capability to do the remaining R&D work for commercially viable fusion power plants?

Erm, they have been drilling in Alaska for quite some time now. They may have opened up more areas to allow drilling, but, that isn't anything new either.

 

I have been hearing that "we are so close to viable fusion power" for decades. We still don't have it. Too many companies researching and experimenting, in too many countries, for a viable 'suppressed by X' argument to work. There is a company in Ann Arbor that has been poking at it for more than 30 years. They still don't have a working fusion reactor.

Drilling in the Arctic National Refuge has never been allowed until this newest abomination called a "tax plan" was passed:

 

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/environment/the-arctic-national-wildlife-refuge-might-be-opened-to-drilling-heres-what-sen-maria-cantwell-has-to-say/

 

And guess who already has working fusion power reactors? China successfully tested one just last year and their lunar mining of helium-3 starts in 2021. You can bet it's a topic of conversation between our current administration and China, and I'm pretty sure Rex Tillerson isn't thrilled with their efforts.

Edited December 23, 2017 by TheMastersSon

[HeyYou]

Working fusion reactor? I seriously doubt that. Any links to such claims?

[twowolves80]

 

 

The dems repeal stuff the repubs do, the repubs repeal stuff the dems do, ad infinitum. Meanwhile the plutocrats rape the country for its wealth and land, destroying natural resources to line their pockets.

I assume you're from Alaska? Sure hope you like oil spills and the sight of wells all over your Arctic Refuge, because the Republicans just opened it up for drilling. Did you know that according to Skunk Works at Lockheed-Martin, a group who are by no means known for exaggerated claims, for less than the cost of a single year's federal tax subsidies to the oil industry ($40B), our country has the capability to do the remaining R&D work for commercially viable fusion power plants?

 

Erm, they have been drilling in Alaska for quite some time now. They may have opened up more areas to allow drilling, but, that isn't anything new either.

 

I have been hearing that "we are so close to viable fusion power" for decades. We still don't have it. Too many companies researching and experimenting, in too many countries, for a viable 'suppressed by X' argument to work. There is a company in Ann Arbor that has been poking at it for more than 30 years. They still don't have a working fusion reactor.

 

That's because they continue to try to use a magnetic bottle method to contain the plasma, which is not how nature really works.

 

Philo T. Farnsworth, the father of the television, had created a working fusion reactor he called a "fusor" in the 60s as part of his other electronics research. He is responsible for over 300 patents in electronics, and wikipedia says the fusor wasn't viable for energy. This, however, demonstrates a skewing of the experimental information. Dr. Farnsworth was testing this on a softball-sized fusor sphere. The bigger they are built, the higher the output exponentially. A quote from here:

 

The Mark III Fusor produced startling high records in quick succession. By the end of 1965 the team was routinely measuring 15.5 Giga neutrons per second. It must be remembered that this Fusor was yet the size of a softball. A Fusor having a diameter of just one meter would permit greater ignition power for a smaller time period, while multiplying its output power volumetrically. A Fusor could be built to any size, as power was required. Dr. Farnsworth reported that his team achieved a self-sustaining reaction on several occasions, and could repeat the effect. The thunderous vibrations of the Fusor are well reported by those who worked with Farnsworth. Many laboratory workers saw the brilliant white light of the Fusor in its early test runs ... right through the metallic shielding!

 

Dr. Farnsworth once invited a few individuals to watch a test-run of this feat one evening. As power was applied to the Fusor the neutron-reading meter achieved a steady threshold and there remained. Only a slight additional increment of power was applied. Then the needle went off the scale and stayed fixed. The room thundered. The light released behind the shield would have instantly and permanently blinded anyone. Although the ignition power was completely removed, the needle remained off-scale in excess of thirty seconds as the fusion reaction sustained itself. Controlled self-sustaining nuclear fusion of tritium nuclei was historically achieved in 1965.

 

See also the wikipedia entry for Fusor.

 

Also, the disturbing aspect of their drilling is that within months of that stupid Keystone pipeline becoming operational, it sprung leaks that damage the local ecology. As predicted would happen.

Edited December 23, 2017 by twowolves80

[HeyYou]

 

 

 

The dems repeal stuff the repubs do, the repubs repeal stuff the dems do, ad infinitum. Meanwhile the plutocrats rape the country for its wealth and land, destroying natural resources to line their pockets.

I assume you're from Alaska? Sure hope you like oil spills and the sight of wells all over your Arctic Refuge, because the Republicans just opened it up for drilling. Did you know that according to Skunk Works at Lockheed-Martin, a group who are by no means known for exaggerated claims, for less than the cost of a single year's federal tax subsidies to the oil industry ($40B), our country has the capability to do the remaining R&D work for commercially viable fusion power plants?

 

Erm, they have been drilling in Alaska for quite some time now. They may have opened up more areas to allow drilling, but, that isn't anything new either.

 

I have been hearing that "we are so close to viable fusion power" for decades. We still don't have it. Too many companies researching and experimenting, in too many countries, for a viable 'suppressed by X' argument to work. There is a company in Ann Arbor that has been poking at it for more than 30 years. They still don't have a working fusion reactor.

 

That's because they continue to try to use a magnetic bottle method to contain the plasma, which is not how nature really works.

 

Philo T. Farnsworth, the father of the television, had created a working fusion reactor he called a "fusor" in the 60s as part of his other electronics research. He is responsible for over 300 patents in electronics, and wikipedia says the fusor wasn't viable for energy. This, however, demonstrates a skewing of the experimental information. Dr. Farnsworth was testing this on a softball-sized fusor sphere. The bigger they are built, the higher the output exponentially. A quote from here:

 

The Mark III Fusor produced startling high records in quick succession. By the end of 1965 the team was routinely measuring 15.5 Giga neutrons per second. It must be remembered that this Fusor was yet the size of a softball. A Fusor having a diameter of just one meter would permit greater ignition power for a smaller time period, while multiplying its output power volumetrically. A Fusor could be built to any size, as power was required. Dr. Farnsworth reported that his team achieved a self-sustaining reaction on several occasions, and could repeat the effect. The thunderous vibrations of the Fusor are well reported by those who worked with Farnsworth. Many laboratory workers saw the brilliant white light of the Fusor in its early test runs ... right through the metallic shielding!

 

Dr. Farnsworth once invited a few individuals to watch a test-run of this feat one evening. As power was applied to the Fusor the neutron-reading meter achieved a steady threshold and there remained. Only a slight additional increment of power was applied. Then the needle went off the scale and stayed fixed. The room thundered. The light released behind the shield would have instantly and permanently blinded anyone. Although the ignition power was completely removed, the needle remained off-scale in excess of thirty seconds as the fusion reaction sustained itself. Controlled self-sustaining nuclear fusion of tritium nuclei was historically achieved in 1965.

 

See also the wikipedia entry for Fusor.

 

Also, the disturbing aspect of their drilling is that within months of that stupid Keystone pipeline becoming operational, it sprung leaks that damage the local ecology. As predicted would happen.

 

So where is his research now? Why isn't it in widespread use?

 

Yeah, I found it highly amusing (in an ironic way) that shortly after keystone opened, exactly what the folks trying to block it predicted would happen, happened. Not the first time something of that nature has occurred either.... Imagine that.

[TheMastersSon]

Working fusion reactor? I seriously doubt that. Any links to such claims?

It's amazing what a country can do when its government is not intentionally, artificially, pointlessly and very nearly completely militarized, as ours is today. Here's their test:

 

https://gizmodo.com/chinese-fusion-test-creates-90-million-f-for-102-secon-1757993374

 

You may now proceed to claim the test doesn't matter because it was only for 102 seconds. By all accounts we ALREADY HAVE the necessary components for commercially viable fusion reactors. What we also have is ExxonMobil's CEO as our country's Secretary of State. Nothing personal against Tillerson, so far he's about the only person I like in Trump's administration. He's doing everything he can to stop the inevitable with North Korea while his boss disallows him from doing anything to stop it. What's the exact opposite of national leadership again? Wait until tomorrow and we'll probably know. Ditto the tomorrow after that. Etc. Until our current unfit president (according to a majority of Americans, according to polls) can be replaced with a fit one. Or until Trump's bombs start dropping, whichever occurs first, and we're forced to pay for our ignorance of the current collapsed state of our federal government with our own lives, those of our families and imo almost certainly our entire planet. According to the script(ure) this one succeeds at his undertakings so my money is on the second of those two possible inevitabilities.

Edited December 23, 2017 by TheMastersSon

[HeyYou]

 

Working fusion reactor? I seriously doubt that. Any links to such claims?

Here's their test:

 

https://gizmodo.com/chinese-fusion-test-creates-90-million-f-for-102-secon-1757993374

 

You may now proceed to claim their test doesn't matter because it was only for 102 seconds. By all accounts we ALREADY HAVE the necessary components for commercially viable fusion reactors. What we also have is ExxonMobil's CEO as our country's Secretary of State. Nothing personal against Tillerson, so far he's about the only person I like in our current administration. He's doing everything he can to stop the inevitable with North Korea while his boss disallows him from doing anything to stop it. What's the exact opposite of national leadership again? Wait until tomorrow and we'll probably know. Ditto the tomorrow after that. Etc.

 

Yeah, a little over 100 seconds. Not exactly what I would consider 'working'.... as in 'commercially viable'.

 

When they can maintain power output as long as they care to, THEN I will consider it 'working'. Until then, nope.

[TheMastersSon]

102 seconds might as well be 102 years. The underlying fusion technology is now proven and it's far from the only proven design. E.g. look at what's sitting behind the Skunk Works engineers in these photos:

 

https://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/compact-fusion.html

 

It powers 100,000 homes and fits in the back of a pickup truck. No I'm not kidding. The only thing we lack is national will and leadership for that will. What China is doing, and far more importantly, the fact that their system allows for stable long-term projects and plans that are not subject to the yearly buget gutting ours are, will compel other countries including and especially ours to act imo. But in the meantime, again our immediate problem is that our federal government has been either partially or entirely run by big oil for a very long time, and again I doubt ExxonMobil's CEO is in a big rush to develop commercially viable fusion power plants. At least temporarily we're stuck with last century's technology, exactly like what last century's cable TV and media/entertainment establishments are currently trying to do to the internet.

Edited December 23, 2017 by TheMastersSon

[HeyYou]

102 seconds might as well be 102 years. The underlying fusion technology is now proven and it's far from the only proven design. E.g. look at what's sitting behind the Skunk Works engineers in these photos:

 

https://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/compact-fusion.html

 

It powers 100,000 homes and fits in the back of a pickup truck. No I'm not kidding. The only thing we lack is national will and leadership for that will. What China is doing, and far more importantly, the fact that their system allows for stable long-term projects and plans that are not subject to the yearly buget gutting ours are, will compel other countries including and especially ours to act imo. But in the meantime, again our immediate problem is that our federal government has been either partially or entirely run by big oil for a very long time, and again I doubt ExxonMobil's CEO is in a big rush to develop commercially viable fusion power plants. At least temporarily we're stuck with last century's technology, exactly like what last century's cable TV and media/entertainment establishments are currently trying to do to the internet.

No. It's CONCEPT. It is not functional. Its what they WANT to be able to do, not something they have already done........

 

Currently, NO ONE has a COMMERCIALLY VIABLE fusion reactor of ANY size. Everyone is still in the develpment/experimental stage. Just like they have been since the late 40's. Granted, we are further along, but, at the current rate, don't expect to see fusion reactors powering anything at all for another 50 years or more. If even then.

 

Yes, corporate america owns our government. (not just big oil.) That's been the case for decades. The american people are well aware of that, we are just too stupid to do anything about it.