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[twowolves80]

So where is his research now? Why isn't it in widespread use?

 

 

https://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/compact-fusion.html

No. It's CONCEPT. It is not functional. Its what they WANT to be able to do, not something they have already done........

 

Currently, NO ONE has a COMMERCIALLY VIABLE fusion reactor of ANY size. Everyone is still in the develpment/experimental stage. Just like they have been since the late 40's. Granted, we are further along, but, at the current rate, don't expect to see fusion reactors powering anything at all for another 50 years or more. If even then.

 

Yes, corporate america owns our government. (not just big oil.) That's been the case for decades. The american people are well aware of that, we are just too stupid to do anything about it.

 

The first link was to a magnetic-bottle style containment grid for the plasma. Magnetic bottles suck. They eat up huge amounts of energy, and sustaining them takes too much energy out of the loop.

 

Notice that Lockheed-Martin's Proof-of-Concept image uses a fusion reactor that looks like this:

 

http://oi65.tinypic.com/2ibkx85.jpg

 

...which looks just like this:

 

http://www.teslaboys.com/Fusor/2.JPG

 

...which is a FUSOR. Hello! Wake up, people! Lockheed-Martin is clearly aiming in the FUSOR direction, not the magnetic bottle direction. That means that Farnsworth was right, and if it's scaled up and re-engineered with some of the technology that they have squirreled away, it's going to damn well work perfectly, believe that. Lockheed doesn't make that kind of announcement without something very serious to back it up.

 

And the fusor technology is in widespread use as a commercial source of neutron radiation. They're using it for testing in labs, not trying to engineer it for power production. If they did that, a la Lockheed-Martin, we would have commercially viable fusion technology within 10 years, flat.

 

EDIT: I think the problem will be convincing everyone that it takes a lot of effort to produce this energy so they can jack up the prices when in reality, this technology is old-hat and easily accessible by garage-tinkerers.

Edited December 23, 2017 by twowolves80

[TheMastersSon]

Currently, NO ONE has a COMMERCIALLY VIABLE fusion reactor of ANY size. Everyone is still in the develpment/experimental stage. Just like they have been since the late 40's. Granted, we are further along, but, at the current rate, don't expect to see fusion reactors powering anything at all for another 50 years or more. If even then.

Judging from your posts, if ignorance is bliss I congratulate you for living in a state of perpetual ecstasy. The last part of your post is entirely incorrect, and I'll take the word of others like Skunk Works who're actually doing the R&D and saying it's within $40B of being a reality.

 

I'm sorry for that first comment but I'm ready to add you to my ignore file on this site. No joke, your posts rarely do anything except whine but also manage to discredit any and all possible help or solutions for what you're whining about. It's not only pointless it's depressing. People make their own boxes in life and even the thought of living in one the apparent size of yours is downright scary to me.

Edited December 23, 2017 by TheMastersSon

[twowolves80]

I have the perfect solution for the government on how to profit off of fusion reactors (because after they're initialized, they're essentially "free" energy):

1. Sell the fusion reactor to the city/state. Completely, no residuals.

2. Just like a sports dome, a bid takes place to name it after some corporate wh*%#. "Today, the Governor arrived to do the ceremonial tape cutting at the new Coca-Cola Fusion Plant."

3. The city pays it off through taxes, and whatnot, just like a sports dome.

4. Once it's paid off through bonds, and taxes (after ten years or so), then the cost of running it is simply the cost of keeping employees there and maintenance, security, and fuel. There is no radioactive material to deal with. Safeguards are easy to build in--cut off the supply of tritium, the fusion reaction ceases. No pollution, no radioactivity, minimal danger.
5. Coca-Cola builds a sports/recreation complex right next to it to capitalize on its investment, using the exhaust cooling water to provide clean water for heated pools and gardens, as well as possible hydroponic applications (subsidized by Monsanto, I'm sure...)

 

Everybody wins, and it's still profitable. Because every city is going to want their own.

[HeyYou]

 

Currently, NO ONE has a COMMERCIALLY VIABLE fusion reactor of ANY size. Everyone is still in the develpment/experimental stage. Just like they have been since the late 40's. Granted, we are further along, but, at the current rate, don't expect to see fusion reactors powering anything at all for another 50 years or more. If even then.

Judging from your posts, if ignorance is bliss I congratulate you for living in a state of perpetual ecstasy. The last part of your post is entirely incorrect, and I'll take the word of others like Skunk Works who're actually doing the R&D and saying it's within $40B of being a reality. I'm sorry for that first comment but I'm ready to add you to my ignore file on this site. No joke, your posts rarely do anything except whine but manage to also discredit any and all possible solutions for what you're whining about. My point is that people make their own boxes in life and even the thought of living in one the apparent size of yours is downright scary to me.

 

Go right ahead and add me to your ignore list. No skin off my back.

 

The reason I am 'discrediting' your posts, is because you are making claims, that quite frankly, aren't true. I am not questioning what form of technology Lockheed wants to use, I am flatly stating that what they are talking about is a CONCEPT, NOT a WORKING MODEL. The fact is, NO ONE had developed commercially viable fusion power. No one. Much as you want to divert from that particular little fact, is doesn't change it.

 

Whining? Really? So, stating facts is now whining? Well, that's news to me. Our government is corrupt. That's a fact. Our government is controlled by corporate interests. That's a fact. The american people are well aware of that fact. They also ARE NOT DOING A DAMN THING to change it. That's a fact. In all reality, there is very little the american public CAN do to change it. The only thing we can do is decide which set of corrupt politicians we want in control. Unfortunately, we don't get the choice of "None of the above".

 

I am also REAL curious where you get the 'ignorance' thing from???? (and by the way, starting your post with insults really doesn't help your position at all......) Because I do not agree with you in this instance, you call me ignorant? Yeah, that's a real winner right there........

 

I suggest that you do some more reading. Either that, or re-read some of what you have already, and take note that Fusion power is still a pipe dream. EVERYTHING you have posted is still in the experimental stage. If you think otherwise, then your reading comprehension leaves a LOT to be desired.

[twowolves80]

 

EVERYTHING you have posted is still in the experimental stage.

Here's the thing. The patent record of Farnsworth stands. He perfected the fusor, and ITT suppressed it, cut him off, then said it was a dead-end and wouldn't release the patents back to Farnsworth. Then, even though the twenty year expiration for US patents is expired, ITT still maintains that they own it and won't release it.

 

That means that all these researchers are automatically barred from pursuing research along the lines of the Fusor System, which was already perfected.

 

Gee, thanks, ITT.

 

Source

 

See also US Patents 3,258,402 and 3,386,883

Edited December 23, 2017 by twowolves80

[HeyYou]

 

 

EVERYTHING you have posted is still in the experimental stage.

Here's the thing. The patent record of Farnsworth stands. He perfected the fusor, and ITT suppressed it, cut him off, then said it was a dead-end and wouldn't release the patents back to Farnsworth. Then, even though the twenty year expiration for US patents is expired, ITT still maintains that they own it and won't release it.

 

That means that all these researchers are automatically barred from pursuing research along the lines of the Fusor System, which was already perfected.

 

Gee, thanks, ITT.

 

Source

 

See also US Patents 3,258,402 and 3,386,883

 

The article was interesting, but, wandered all over the place.... Looking elsewhere, apparently, there were some concerns about scalability? (not sure how much credence I should give those.....) I find it interesting the folks are building these in their basements. :D

[TheMastersSon]

EDIT: I think the problem will be convincing everyone that it takes a lot of effort to produce this energy so they can jack up the prices when in reality, this technology is old-hat and easily accessible by garage-tinkerers.

These newer designs use laser ignition and magnetic containment technologies (both have advanced recently and substantially) that were impossible just a decade ago. They're achieving magnetic gauss in labs that are unknown anywhere else in our solar system, and buried deep in the literature is also the fact that they've discovered fusion plasma forms its own border at higher temperatures and pressures, making containment exponentially easier.

 

I understand HeyYou's cynacism and claim that fusion won't be powering anything for the next 50 years etc, because for almost a half century I felt the exact same way about it, as do many if not most other people, considering the number of false starts and failed attempts. But the underlying technologies required for fusion reactors really have been developing over the years. I think it's why Skunk Works' secondary title on their main page reads "It's closer than you think." For what they're claiming it would cost to get there, again less than the cost of a single year's federal tax subsidies to our oil industry, I think it's beyond tragic and stupid to not pursue it. We're about to permanently destroy yet another of our public treasures, the substantial probability is that, by the time required infrastructure for oil drilling and extraction is complete in the refuge, the oil will no longer even be necessary.

 

Anyone know the opinion of AK residents on this issue?

Edited December 24, 2017 by TheMastersSon

[twowolves80]

Let's remember one thing, though. The government black projects are usually about 50-80 years ahead of anything the public has seen, judging by past performance with the SR-71 and throwing a bit extra in to account for the increase in technological development's pace. I don't think that's an unreasonable number, and especially true for anything with even a remotely potential military application. And what kind of military application do you think a fusion generator has?

 

However, they're talking about trucks. It will be a while before they scale it up if for no other reason than security.

[TheMastersSon]

To get back on topic, yesterday a friend commented that once browser caches are done away with, there will at that point be absolutely zero practical difference between our formerly free and open internet and basic cable TV service. Bingo imo and mission accomplished. And if you want either funny or pathetic (I can't decide which), with this decision we are now still legally liable for what we send and receive on the internet, but control over this same data now resides with our ISPs. I not only ask but beg all Americans who love and value their rights to free speech and privacy (not to mention due process etc) to think about the objective implications of this, and to please avoid dumping me into the same raging airhead bin as virtually all other people who use words like fascists and fascism etc. I use the words that are most accurate for my specific intended meaning.

 

Imagine your phone company having complete control over whether your legal phone traffic is delivered or not, while you remain legally liable for who you call. Imagine our USPS being able to decide which of your legal mail is delivered, while you remain legally liable for who you send mail to. Etc. Thus the FCC decision is beyond stupid and will not stand, even partially, simply because it cannot stand in a free democracy. Only one eventual fate remains for our internet and that is recognition and protection for what it always has been and always will be: a two-way private communications network. Not a one-way cable TV network, and that is the fatal flaw in this decision and larger plan responsible for it (explained below). Our two and only two choices are net neutrality or eventual abject (here comes that word again) fascism that's not only legalized in our country but institutionalized. You vill not go anywhere unless Comcast vant you to go. Just like cable TV. It will remain a fatal flaw regardless of how much money our elected representatives take from last century's cable TV and media/entertainment industries.

 

If our Congress and/or federal courts fail to restore our former protections, fail to restore common carrier utility status for internet traffic and return control of this traffic back to the ONLY PLACE WHERE IT RIGHTFULLY BELONGS (our FCC -- I mean our genuine one, not Trump's currently trumped and thus illegitimate one), imo a majority of our federal government have proven themselves not only failed as defenders and protectors of our Constitution and rights, but as proven traitors and enemies to it -- and thus illegitimate as valid representatives of the American people. I would be more than happy to explain the above to any court or judge in our entire country. Well over 90% of the American people want net neutrality entirely reinstated and permanently protected (which is great because that is the only practical eventuality), I guarantee the countless millions of Americans who not only built but have PAID FOR the internet will not see their own existing and far more importantly eventual rights on it stripped by Comcast and Disney and Rupert flipping Murdoch and their paid representatives in our federal government, to repay Trump's campaign debts and keep last century's now obsolete cable TV and entertainment industries artificially alive.

 

The following will also probably land me in the CT bin of either most people or everyone, but in truth I can't even state it as an opinion since I know it to be objective fact: this decision by our FCC is just the latest step in a much larger and longer campaign to destroy our internet. It is concerted and has been from the beginning, and by beginning I specifically mean the decision by this same federal government that gave Google the legal green light to start manipulating and obfuscating their search results -- while the company held (and still holds) a 90+% effective global market share for internet searches. That in itself was treason imo, the decision instantly promoted Google to supreme and permanent lord and master both of their own financial futures and those of all other companies on Earth. And by a very long margin, the most effective global fascists (sorry) in human history. This is not to claim they or any company were or are evil (although Google's corporate motto of "Don't Be Evil" announces to the world their own self-awareness of their company's current position and power), or that any other group of people would not attempt the same power and control grabs Google have since being appointed Earth's practical global dictator over internet searches and resulting traffic. As with "Ma" Bell and our landline phone network last century, Google are simply incidental to our current development phase for recognition and protection of the internet as a private and two-way common carrier utility. The internet has never been, is not and never can be even in theory simply an alternate delivery network for cable and broadcast TV. Google were and still are the major force necessary to make 99.999999% of the world artificially disappear, before our cable TV and media/entertainment establishments had any possibility of finally destroying the rest. And by finally destroy I mean finally usurp and eliminate end-user DNS and internet navigation control etc, steps which are now inevitable unless this FCC decision is fully and permanently reversed. Google are the other key player in this nearly unprecedented conspired treason and absolutely unprecedented destruction of our communications rights and consumer choice.

 

85% of our discussion and consumer sites worldwide are now either essentially or entirely non-operational when Google cookies are disabled, even Yelp reviews are impossible to post without them, and our regular Google search alternatives (duckduckgo and others) for video searches now return absolutely nothing except Youtube links. I mean zero. Thus the entire rest of the known world has been finally and entirely squelched by Google. The company first bought Dejanews, with fanfare of greatly improved service, then proceeded to insist that "people" weren't interested in this largest single repository of objective human knowledge in our planet's history. And now/finally they stopped including Usenet search returns entirely in their results, relegating this same virtually infinite database of knowledge to complete non-existence. Very soon a search for torrents will return absolutely nothing except Wiki articles about rain and wind, and a million links to made in China raingear on Amazon. All of it simply because they still legally can, which in turn is specifically because of this same federal government that has just subjugated our existing and eventual constitutional and other (consumer protection etc) rights to private industry.

 

This is one for the history books imo and not in a good way. Endless future generations will read and simply stare in disbelief. With a single FCC decision our internet reach went from what's available in the world to whatever our ISPs wish to bring us, and by now they bring us very close to nothing except counterfeit Chinese goods. It is the purest example of imposed fascism in our entire 240-year history, while our Karl Rove-inspired president and FCC continue lying through their teeth with their truly absurd, entirely self-serving and self-disproving claims that it's a victory for consumer choice. If push comes to shove the American people can and will wait to hear from any judge or court in our country to explain why it qualifies as the latter and not the former. The singular winner in this decision is the same industry and even the specific companies (Comcast/NBC, Rupert Murdoch/FNC etc) who repeatedly refused to release video footage during the last presidential campaign that would have, by any reasonable judgment imo, been more than enough to knock Mr. Trump out of it. He really did sell our very Constitution to repay his campaign debts and not all of them were financial.

Edited December 27, 2017 by TheMastersSon