MiloHunts Posted March 22, 2012 Author Share Posted March 22, 2012 You guys complaining about Steam probably don't think much about what it takes to plan, develop, and publish a decent title or appreciate what it is to effectively market it and profit from it, even far past its life cycle. I'm very close to calling most gamers spoiled and entitled for the amount of complaining they do combined with the desire to have incredible amounts of features, services, and savings offered to them only to watch them throw it back in people's faces in contempt. There are some bad DLC or distribution practices out there I wish to see stop, but gamers are going to buy things anyways, encouraging bad practice, or pirate.them and encourage more heavy-handed practices. Anyways, If you think steam is bad, you should have been there when it launched. Steam had a terrible launch. I think it's an incredible network, now. to me everything about steam is useless, I know they put a lot of work into it, and I can appreciate that, but to put a lot of work into a product that a comunity does not want or need, then you just wasted your time and theirs.The whole "STEAM" thing to me belongs on an XBox, people who play on an XBox like the unlocked skills and all of that stuff that do not effect your game in any way shape or form. To force people to get a steam acct to play an Elderscrolls game is rediculas to me, I have put up with it because I wanted to play Skyrim. Forcing an update when someone has selected to play offline, is hacking into their computer, plain and simple. If I do not want a software company having access to my computer, then they shouldn't be able to access me, and it should be a very simple process. i am going back to Morrowind with all my enhancements that make it look similar to Skyrim, I will come back to Skyrim when Bethesda fixes this mess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roboroller Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 "I know they put a lot of work into it, and I can appreciate that, but to put a lot of work into a product that a comunity does not want or need, then you just wasted your time and theirs." You do know that the majority of PC Gamers like Steam right? I'm not sure how folks on the nexus feel about it as I don't spend much time communicating with people in this community, but it is a niche community and by and large most people are at least okay with Steam, a lot of people flat out love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semiazaz Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 You do know that the majority of PC Gamers like Steam right? I'm not sure how folks on the nexus feel about it as I don't spend much time communicating with people in this community, but it is a niche community and by and large most people are at least okay with Steam, a lot of people flat out love it. I'm not sure how you arrived at your statistical analysis, but my sampling of Internet forums says otherwise. I had personally never used Steam until Skyrim. I was optimistic about it at first. The idea that it could keep my game configuration current was fairly exciting because (as we all know) the task of managing mods is not trivial. My expectations have been completely unfulfilled. Apart from the fact that Steam broke my game by updating it against my will (I had "auto-update" turned off), I've found the system itself to be heavy-handed, difficult to navigate, and amateurishly implemented. Maybe it does better with games that are designed to run online, but in the case of Skyrim, it is a failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worldofscotty Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 You guys complaining about Steam probably don't think much about what it takes to plan, develop, and publish a decent title or appreciate what it is to effectively market it and profit from it, even far past its life cycle. I'm very close to calling most gamers spoiled and entitled for the amount of complaining they do combined with the desire to have incredible amounts of features, services, and savings offered to them only to watch them throw it back in people's faces in contempt. There are some bad DLC or distribution practices out there I wish to see stop, but gamers are going to buy things anyways, encouraging bad practice, or pirate.them and encourage more heavy-handed practices. Anyways, If you think steam is bad, you should have been there when it launched. Steam had a terrible launch. I think it's an incredible network, now. TL;DR: GET A LIFE. Anyways - I'm still having trouble with little squares all over my screen. Been trying different sets of drivers but it's worse than ever. Very sadface. We aren't games designers, producers, programmers or marketers so no, we don't know any of those things, nor are we expected to at any point. We are the consumers. We are the whole point to the process. It's their job to run around in circles, jump through our hoops and dance for us. In return we give them money. And yes we are supposed to be spoiled. You may be ok settling for this and that and thats fine but I strive for perfection in everything. At least when I fall short of that its better than falling short of 'kinda ok' At no point in this contract are we expected to settle for anything substandard. If we don't whine, *censored* and complain then they will never know that anything is wrong so won't fix it. I personally think that Skyrim is one of the greatest games ever created. I thought the same about Fallout 3 as well. Hats off to Bethesda for doing it again and again but don't be telling us we can't nitpick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SergeantGrrock Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 (edited) "You do know that the majority of PC Gamers like Steam right? I'm not sure how folks on the nexus feel about it as I don't spend much time communicating with people in this community, but it is a niche community and by and large most people are at least okay with Steam, a lot of people flat out love it." What? I don't know what sites you frequent but that is about the opposite of my experience. I challenge you to show me where you found your evidence that "the majority of PC gamers like Steam." I call BS to that. Edited March 22, 2012 by Sergeant Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
measdayn Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 To stop Steam from being able to automatically update Skyrim (even if you've set autoupdate to no) try the following app: Skyrim Unpluggedhttp://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=12744 It was developed & tested by a few of the major contributors to the STEP guide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handofbane Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Bah, server ate my reply when it crashed, trying again."You do know that the majority of PC Gamers like Steam right? I'm not sure how folks on the nexus feel about it as I don't spend much time communicating with people in this community, but it is a niche community and by and large most people are at least okay with Steam, a lot of people flat out love it." What? I don't know what sites you frequent but that is about the opposite of my experience. I challenge you to show me where you found your evidence that "the majority of PC gamers like Steam." I call BS to that.Nobody can definitively say one way or the other what constitutes a "majority of PC gamers". There are no definitive numbers on how many PC gamers are out there, or what actually counts as a PC gamer - those who bought retail box? Digital downloads? Those who just play flash games on Facebook? While those numbers can be argued back and forth all day, we do have some solid numbers to work from that can be used either in support or against the whole argument... and they are pretty intimidating when you actually look at them. Steam has a little clicky on it that allows anyone to view just how many people are logged in and have been logged in at any given time for the previous 48 hours. According to that little graph, in the past 48 hours there have been between 2.2 and 4.45 million users logged in concurrently - and that peaks on a Tuesday at about Noon US Eastern. I know I personally have seen that number climb up closer to 5 million on weekends, but even ignoring my anecdotal evidence, let's do a comparison to something else we know the numbers on: WoW. At its peak, WoW had around 11 million users world wide, and is estimated today to be around 9 million or so, with about half of that total being North America/Europe. Just looking at those numbers, Steam already sits at close to the combined NA/EU population of WoW, which is inarguably the largest single online community that can be definitively counted as "PC gamers". While that does not clearly define them as a majority, it is safe to figure that some of that population does overlap (my entire guild from a PvP server had Steam, we used to fire up CS:S in our downtime). Of course there is also the fact that we have many people who run purely in offline mode or with Steam blocked by a firewall, who still use it whatever their personal feelings about it may be, and none of us have actual numbers on those folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandy1123 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 (edited) I laugh at the numbes people post about STEAMypile and how many gamers use it. People use it because they HAVE TO. You can't download the game with out contributing to their numbers. You have to go out of your way to avoid their trash and most gamers are not informed or just don't want to deal with it. They just want to play thier game. If you want to play amazing games like Skyrim, you must subject yourself to the data and resource assault when STEAMypile forces iteslf on you. Boast about your numbers but don't assume we don't know about STEAMypile's history and Valve/Dice for that matter. Saying "I read on the net and the numbers say" .. the numbers don't say diddly. For every 5 sites you pull up about STEAMypile being amazing I'll pull another 5 that tell you about the stink that eminates from its practice. I know about its business model and the prevention to piracy they claim to offer. You on the other hand should pay more attention to what you write. STEAMYpile did not plan or develop Skyrim. Seeing that STEAMypile dumped all over the PCgamers with thier rollout, I will concede the publishing portion. I hope you enjoy playing games they say and permit you to play, how and when they approve. I hope you find future satisfaction letting them dictate what coded information they take and put on your system. I certainly hope you read and understand the STEAMypile EULA they publish. I have read it and it scares the HELL out of me. What you have given to them, when you create the account you are forced to do, to play a game you already paid for is the rights and permission to do to your data, monitor your system and your gaming. More importantly, they gain information on any of your internet activities that they want.. That hour timer everyone so happily boasts about on the STEAMypile portal page covers more then just time in game. Sure they say they won't do anything or share with anyone your data or activities. They can say anything and will to dupe the uninformed or the uncaring. As for what Sergeant Rock posted... to that I say " HooooaH " !!! Edited March 22, 2012 by Brandy_123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnaiSiaion Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Steam may not be good, but it is the biggest digital distribution platform. Do you prefer going out and buying game boxes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordanLoL Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Steam may not be good, but it is the biggest digital distribution platform. Do you prefer going out and buying game boxes? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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