Why is communism a bad word?

[HeyYou]

Here in the US, the democrats buy votes by promising everything to everyone. Who wouldn't vote for the guy that promises to give you everything you want?

[xrayy]

Here in the US, the democrats buy votes by promising everything to everyone. Who wouldn't vote for the guy that promises to give you everything you want?

can you explain your claim ? some evidence for that statement would be helpful. your u.s. dems seem to be real devils or like demons.

 

much more irritating is what trump currently celebrates: the shockingly long list of corrupt officials and political allies pardoned by trump.

what is this if not a serious case of power abuse in favor of criminal friends and family ?

[HeyYou]

Trump abusing his power? Oh... say it ain't so. (I will pretend to act like I am surprised here..... after all, he is the FIRST president to EVER do such a thing......)

 

Look at what the dems ran on, 15 dollar an hour minimum wage, advocating for reparations for slavery, tax the rich, more programs for the poor, etc, etc, etc. Essentially, what their entire platform was all about, was redistribution of wealth. Take from the rich, give to the poor. (not to mention borrow a significant portion of the federal budget from various other foreign entities to pay for some of those programs)

 

The flip side of that is, their ideas for driving the country even deeper into debt, at an alarming rate. Rejoin the Paris accord? (take money from rich countries, give it to poorer countries.....) Not to mention that the Paris accords are a blatant waste of breath. Even if EVERYONE does EVERYTHING they said they would, (and that is simply not going to happen, many countries are already not meeting goals.....) projections show that it would only limit temperature rise by a whopping .2 degrees over the rest of the century..... Yeah, lets thoroughly trash the world economy to make no significant difference at all.... And the Iran nuclear deal? Do you really want them to have nuclear weapons?? Iran won't nuke anyone, (probably....) but, they sure as heck wouldn't mind giving one to some of their terrorist buddies, and have THEM nuke Israel......) What do you think Israels response would be to that??? (hint, it would go BOOM! and hundreds of thousands would die in a millisecond.)

 

Nope. I really, truly, vehemently, willfully, despise the democrats ideas for what we should be doing. I think they are dangerous, and are going to drive us to ruin, war, revolution, or a combination of the above. I am hopeful I am wrong... (not like that hasn't happened before.....) But, not gonna hold my breath that anything comes from a Kamala Harris presidency. (as I don't expect Biden to last very long. He has health issues manifesting themselves currently, and for some time, according to some folks.....) That should be fun... eh?

[xrayy]

so - you really ignore trumps obvious power abuse by pardoning a mass of rich corrupt and criminal (already sentenced) more or less personal supporters ? and you really think that is the purpose for presidents pardoning ? i do not remember any of the u.s. presidents before trump pardoning their own family members or personal criminal and corrupt supporters this way.

 

i guess i found the reason for our weird conversations :wink: : as you should know i'm not a trump hater as you claimed more than on time (and i really never was) and it seems it is not about right or left for you but you are a (more or less hidden) u.s. democrats hater and a right extremist corrupt rich men supporter, in best case a personal trump supporter! that would easily explain our weird conversation. calm compromises seem impossible. would be interesting how this hate against u.s. dems in you developed and what is your profit in this weird hate story.

are you somehow fallen in love with a highly overrated, incapable u.s leader (for his last few days), lackiing any empathy and destroying democracy values where ever he can ? i really have no fact driven clue for your dem hate.

[HeyYou]

LOLOLOL

 

Swing and a miss. :)

 

I voted Democrat for decades, until they started getting stupid, and progressed to stupider. Trump was the first time I voted republican in 30 years or more. So, no, not a 'hater'.

 

You must have missed the sarcasm associated with my previous statement...... :)

 

Yes, Trump is NOT a good person. He is a power mad narcissist. That is a given. Is he doing stupid stuff? Yep. Sure is. Have others done the same before him? Yep, sure have. This isn't the first time a president has handed out controversial pardons. Won't be the last either.

 

Trump keeps making noise about running again in 24, I sincerely hope he does NOT. His behavior of late has pretty much assured he will be unelectable in the future. Let's hope once he is out of office, the republican party can get its stuff back in one sock again.

[Oblivionaddicted]

 

 

 

So according to you obligating the riches to keep their money in their country of origin is impossible perhaps?

 

Or you will probably explain me it's democratic if the public poisoners of the petroleum lobby for example can explode the need of public spendings without paying anything for it like marxist-leninist apparatchiks but it would be the dictatorship if the laws prevented them from praticing the tax avoidance by making them citizens with rights and duties?

 

For your info and like I already wrote many times ; all the things the dictators need to make a coup d'état or a purge are the police, the army, the control of the justice and of the medias.

In other words no dictator never made any coup d'état by creating a welfare-state or any purge by nationalizing a company.

 

 

You didn't deny my other points by the way.

 

What planet do you actually live on?

 

Of course you cant stop businesses and corporations from taking their money elsewhere. The minute you try and "force" them to pay, they'll just close up shop and leave. How would you stop them?

 

Any group that has power, whether they are a Petroleum company, or a Pharmaceutical company or an Energy company will be able to "influence" public policy. That's the way the world works. You can try to use legislation to curtail some of their excesses but they will only allow that to go so far before leaving. And the biggest problem is the politicians NOT the businessmen. Businessmen just want to make their businesses successful. The politicians who take the bribes and kickbacks at the expense of the public good are the real villains.

 

 

I also have no clue what history books you've read, but clearly they were written by imbeciles. Revolutions ALWAYS start with someone offering "the people" free stuff, and freedom from oppression. The military and police forces usually follow along, because generally most members of those groups are their BECAUSE they care for the people, and want what's best for them, so they'll follow the one telling them that they are "fighting for the people". Then the media follows suit. They always offer a "welfare state" to people, which lasts just long enough for them to get into power ... And then Orwell shows his hand ..."All people are equal, but some a more equal than others".

 

Hitler did it, Stalin did it, all "dictators" have done it. And the Democratic Party in America is now trying to do EXACTLY THE SAME THING! They are the true fascists.

The problem with America is that it's based on a Capitalist Republic, and far too many people know what's actually going on, and know that self determinism is the key to success, not phantom hand outs that ultimately destroy countries.

"Revolutions" have only ever worked in Monarchy's or Oligarchy's and a "socialist revolution" would NOT work in America.

 

I know so called "scholars" have tried to force Fascism into being a "right wing" ideology, but the FACTS are, that the tactics used are ALWAYS used by so called LEFT wing adherents, not those labelled as "right wing".

 

I also didn't actually see any valid points that needed addressing that weren't already covered.

 

Like I already wrote "So according to you obligating the riches to keep their money in their country of origin is impossible perhaps? " We all know the truth. The companies go elsewhere because the corrupt politicians let them go elsewhere and because the bosses are the social class with the biggest rate of psychopaths and want the maximum power with the minimum constraints including morality and gratefulness.

 

If all the parties had the same financing and if any politician or boss whose honesty is in jepoardy was automatically suspended would the companies be as powerful? We all know the answer.

 

The companies are powerful because the absence of equal financing makes the capitalist apparatchiks choose the political leaders instead of people. Additionally the cumulation of a political and economical power favors corruption and clientelism. These 2 elements are common points between your right-wing/fascist ideas and marxism-leninism.

 

Wikipedia's article about the coup d'état https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d%27%C3%A9tat never mentions anywhere the creation of a welfare state or the nationalization of companies to usurp the power but you will probably explain everyone wikipedia is a Khmer Rouge media?

Edited December 29, 2020 by Oblivionaddicted

[xrayy]

LOLOLOL

 

Swing and a miss. :smile:

 

I voted Democrat for decades, until they started getting stupid, and progressed to stupider. Trump was the first time I voted republican in 30 years or more. So, no, not a 'hater'.

 

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Yes, Trump is NOT a good person. He is a power mad narcissist. That is a given. Is he doing stupid stuff? Yep. Sure is. Have others done the same before him? Yep, sure have. This isn't the first time a president has handed out controversial pardons. Won't be the last either.

 

Trump keeps making noise about running again in 24, I sincerely hope he does NOT. His behavior of late has pretty much assured he will be unelectable in the future. Let's hope once he is out of office, the republican party can get its stuff back in one sock again.

i think i have not missed anything :wink:. no hate is good. why trump ? there were better and more capable rep candidates in in the last decades like mccain i would have voted for. you voted for trump just to learn that plain populism does not qualify for presidency ? the good thing: at least trump opened the eyes of many rep voters and even many people in the rep party. the only good thing about this presidency.

but my question "why do you prefer a rep agenda full of trump populism in favor of the dem agenda?" is still not answered. some arguments would really help here.

[HeyYou]

 

LOLOLOL

 

Swing and a miss. :smile:

 

I voted Democrat for decades, until they started getting stupid, and progressed to stupider. Trump was the first time I voted republican in 30 years or more. So, no, not a 'hater'.

 

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Yes, Trump is NOT a good person. He is a power mad narcissist. That is a given. Is he doing stupid stuff? Yep. Sure is. Have others done the same before him? Yep, sure have. This isn't the first time a president has handed out controversial pardons. Won't be the last either.

 

Trump keeps making noise about running again in 24, I sincerely hope he does NOT. His behavior of late has pretty much assured he will be unelectable in the future. Let's hope once he is out of office, the republican party can get its stuff back in one sock again.

i think i have not missed anything :wink:. no hate is good. why trump ? there were better and more capable rep candidates in in the last decades like mccain i would have voted for. you voted for trump just to learn that plain populism does not qualify for presidency ? the good thing: at least trump opened the eyes of many rep voters and even many people in the rep party. the only good thing about this presidency.

but my question "why do you prefer a rep agenda full of trump populism in favor of the dem agenda?" is still not answered. some arguments would really help here.

 

Nope, wasn't going to vote for McCain, he would have had us in a war with Iran in pretty short order. We didn't need any more wars at that point. (and we don't need any more now either......)

 

I have detailed why I won't vote democrat numerous times throughout this thread.

 

I voted for Trump, (well, really, I voted AGAINST hillary.....) because he was the republican candidate at the time. I didn't get to choose whom they ran, I was given a choice between two candidates for president, and I picked the one I disliked the least. I really didn't care for Hilary's platform/vision for america either.

 

This time around, I had a choice of Biden, and the dem agenda, or Trump, and the republican agenda. I still prefer the republican agenda... so, I voted for trump. Quite likely, in 24, I will still prefer the republican agenda, and will vote for whomever runs on the republican ticket. Even if it is Trump, as distasteful as that will be. And yes, if Trump runs again, I expect he will lose. I'll still vote for him, as I really do NOT want the dems in charge. We'll see what damage Biden/Harris does to the country over the next four years.....

[Manlery]

It’s not about being a bad word, but rather the meaning it has. A lot of people can get offended by this word because of his history and all that stands for. It’s about principles and many people don’t get that. However, I don’t agree with people who say that you can’t use it. It’s everybody’s right to do whatever they want, and if you feel like talking about communism and using this word, just do it. I actually use different websites that help me improve my vocabulary on a daily basis. For example, I search for 4 letter words ending with q and I instantly get a lot of options. This is a nice way of stepping up your word game.

Edited May 16, 2021 by Manlery

[Oblivionaddicted]

What is bad is the concentration of powers.

 

In itself communism is neither better nor worse than capitalism.