Why is communism a bad word?

[Mudran]

 

The school I went to, and every book I have ever read states quite clearly that communism and socialism are different.

 

Socialism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism - any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

 

Communism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism - a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed

 

And socialism is worse than communism, as socialism (by definition) puts the power and control over resources into the hands of a central authority. Communism puts the control of resources into the hands of the community.

 

And like the majority of the uninformed and poorly educated, you are using the word "communism" for what is actually "authoritarianism communism" or socialism.

 

 

Isn't it the same? Isn't "owned by state" just a bigger form of "owned in common"?

 

Because question is if your authoritarianism communism is not decadence of your idealistic communism.

 

 

How socialism can be worse? what is "hands of community" other than "hands of central authority" in bigger form?

 

Socialism sound to me like starting with the same background like communism and developed better. Because it does count with reality.

 

You cannot do it differently - some goods will always have to be held in public authorities, question is if the purpose is stated to be for the poor and common good, or if it is purely in hands of individuals to do whatever they want with it - that is totalism?

 

But as I said before, still I believe it - the worst mistake of totalistic communism was to remove faith and anything supernatural in fear, that is like cutting your hand and goes against nature of humans, but all the rest does sound like decadence:

we are all equal=nobody can be different=nobody is allowed to have their own dreams=people will live double life

everything should be held in common=nobody is allowed to have somethign extra=everything belong to the community=people will steal

everyone can work for 1 goal=everyone should work for 1 goal=nobody is allowed to work for themselves.. = people will stop working

 

Why? Because that is nature of people - they want to be different, they want to own things for themselves and they want to work on their own things.

So if communism will be on the level of state, it will have to force people into it, that will lead to totalism and totalism to total decay and bankruptcy.

 

That is atleast how it does sound to me - after all the discussions here and after all the thinking.

 

 

EDIT:

But in China - how they do it? They control their people somehow, don't they?

Edited May 31, 2019 by Mudran

[AmaccurzerO]

 

 

 

Comunism is evil, Marxism is evil. I have lived in two comunist countries and I have lived in my own flesh what Communism has to give: hungry, represion, a complete control o state over any single aspect of your life, zero freedom of speech, zero respect to private property, zero respect to life (mainly disident lives), zero respect to individual liberties and so on. So, dont come to me with fairy stories about comunism and the argument of: that wasnt real comunism. Communism and Marxism in theory are a lie, in real life are evil. Every time you try to implement it in any country, it will fail and will end the same way.

In my opinion, comunism and marxism are bad words and should banned for life in any school and in any country. And people (mainly young minds) who thinks Communism is beautiful, is because they dont have lived in a communist country and dont know nothing about it, I have. They are being deceived and that is bad. Instead they should be teaching them the truht about it.

I apologize for being so sensitive about this theme. This is only my opinion based in my own experiences.

 

Our schools seem to have issues with figuring out just what the 'truth' is...... and it varies from school to school. For the most part though, they like to call it 'socialism', not communism, as that has less negative connotations....... And you are correct, the folks espousing communism/socialism as a 'better way of life', have never lived in a communist/socialist country......

 

 

The school I went to, and every book I have ever read states quite clearly that communism and socialism are different.

 

Socialism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism - any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

 

Communism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism - a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed

 

And socialism is worse than communism, as socialism (by definition) puts the power and control over resources into the hands of a central authority. Communism puts the control of resources into the hands of the community.

 

And like the majority of the uninformed and poorly educated, you are using the word "communism" for what is actually "authoritarianism communism" or socialism.

 

Communism and Socialism share the same ideals: uniformity, collectivism, central authority and so on. Both are bad and lead to totalitarianism because the only way you can implement collectivism and uniformity is by force. I have seen it and I have lived it.

My "emotional" arguments, as you named them, are based on facts and lived experiecens thanks to the implementation, by force, of these "beautiful" ideals discussed here and today by "intellectuals" which, by the way, have never lived in their own flesh what is like Communism and Socialism in the practice and that pretend to know it all.

No Communism and neither Socialism work. Both lead to misery and totalitarianism and end in permanent econimic disaster. You can theorize as long as you want about it but real facts and statistics of Communism and Socialism applied will always hit you in the face.

Listen the experience of people who have lived it and no the theories of people who dont.

[Deleted67195711User]

 

 

 

 

Comunism is evil, Marxism is evil. I have lived in two comunist countries and I have lived in my own flesh what Communism has to give: hungry, represion, a complete control o state over any single aspect of your life, zero freedom of speech, zero respect to private property, zero respect to life (mainly disident lives), zero respect to individual liberties and so on. So, dont come to me with fairy stories about comunism and the argument of: that wasnt real comunism. Communism and Marxism in theory are a lie, in real life are evil. Every time you try to implement it in any country, it will fail and will end the same way.

In my opinion, comunism and marxism are bad words and should banned for life in any school and in any country. And people (mainly young minds) who thinks Communism is beautiful, is because they dont have lived in a communist country and dont know nothing about it, I have. They are being deceived and that is bad. Instead they should be teaching them the truht about it.

I apologize for being so sensitive about this theme. This is only my opinion based in my own experiences.

 

Our schools seem to have issues with figuring out just what the 'truth' is...... and it varies from school to school. For the most part though, they like to call it 'socialism', not communism, as that has less negative connotations....... And you are correct, the folks espousing communism/socialism as a 'better way of life', have never lived in a communist/socialist country......

 

 

The school I went to, and every book I have ever read states quite clearly that communism and socialism are different.

 

Socialism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism - any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

 

Communism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism - a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed

 

And socialism is worse than communism, as socialism (by definition) puts the power and control over resources into the hands of a central authority. Communism puts the control of resources into the hands of the community.

 

And like the majority of the uninformed and poorly educated, you are using the word "communism" for what is actually "authoritarianism communism" or socialism.

 

Communism and Socialism share the same ideals: uniformity, collectivism, central authority and so on. Both are bad and lead to totalitarianism because the only way you can implement collectivism and uniformity is by force. I have seen it and I have lived it.

My "emotional" arguments, as you named them, are based on facts and lived experiecens thanks to the implementation, by force, of these "beautiful" ideals discussed here and today by "intellectuals" which, by the way, have never lived in their own flesh what is like Communism and Socialism in the practice and that pretend to know it all.

No Communism and neither Socialism work. Both lead to misery and totalitarianism and end in permanent econimic disaster. You can theorize as long as you want about it but real facts and statistics of Communism and Socialism applied will always hit you in the face.

Listen the experience of people who have lived it and no the theories of people who dont.

 

 

So what you are saying is that I should destroy all the history books, all the political science books, all the periodicals, all the documentaries, all the books on economic theory, and listen only to your overwrought, irrational and emotional ravings? Someone whose only qualification is "I was there"? No, I think not. I stand by my original statement, you are too close to be objective.

 

 

 

The school I went to, and every book I have ever read states quite clearly that communism and socialism are different.

 

Socialism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism - any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

 

Communism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism - a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed

 

And socialism is worse than communism, as socialism (by definition) puts the power and control over resources into the hands of a central authority. Communism puts the control of resources into the hands of the community.

 

And like the majority of the uninformed and poorly educated, you are using the word "communism" for what is actually "authoritarianism communism" or socialism.

 

 

Isn't it the same? Isn't "owned by state" just a bigger form of "owned in common"?

 

Because question is if your authoritarianism communism is not decadence of your idealistic communism.

 

 

How socialism can be worse? what is "hands of community" other than "hands of central authority" in bigger form?

 

Socialism sound to me like starting with the same background like communism and developed better. Because it does count with reality.

 

You cannot do it differently - some goods will always have to be held in public authorities, question is if the purpose is stated to be for the poor and common good, or if it is purely in hands of individuals to do whatever they want with it - that is totalism?

 

But as I said before, still I believe it - the worst mistake of totalistic communism was to remove faith and anything supernatural in fear, that is like cutting your hand and goes against nature of humans, but all the rest does sound like decadence:

we are all equal=nobody can be different=nobody is allowed to have their own dreams=people will live double life

everything should be held in common=nobody is allowed to have somethign extra=everything belong to the community=people will steal

everyone can work for 1 goal=everyone should work for 1 goal=nobody is allowed to work for themselves.. = people will stop working

 

Why? Because that is nature of people - they want to be different, they want to own things for themselves and they want to work on their own things.

So if communism will be on the level of state, it will have to force people into it, that will lead to totalism and totalism to total decay and bankruptcy.

 

That is atleast how it does sound to me - after all the discussions here and after all the thinking.

 

 

EDIT:

But in China - how they do it? They control their people somehow, don't they?

 

 

Read a book. Learn the difference between a political system and an economic system.

[HeyYou]

 

 

 

 

 

Comunism is evil, Marxism is evil. I have lived in two comunist countries and I have lived in my own flesh what Communism has to give: hungry, represion, a complete control o state over any single aspect of your life, zero freedom of speech, zero respect to private property, zero respect to life (mainly disident lives), zero respect to individual liberties and so on. So, dont come to me with fairy stories about comunism and the argument of: that wasnt real comunism. Communism and Marxism in theory are a lie, in real life are evil. Every time you try to implement it in any country, it will fail and will end the same way.

In my opinion, comunism and marxism are bad words and should banned for life in any school and in any country. And people (mainly young minds) who thinks Communism is beautiful, is because they dont have lived in a communist country and dont know nothing about it, I have. They are being deceived and that is bad. Instead they should be teaching them the truht about it.

I apologize for being so sensitive about this theme. This is only my opinion based in my own experiences.

 

Our schools seem to have issues with figuring out just what the 'truth' is...... and it varies from school to school. For the most part though, they like to call it 'socialism', not communism, as that has less negative connotations....... And you are correct, the folks espousing communism/socialism as a 'better way of life', have never lived in a communist/socialist country......

 

 

The school I went to, and every book I have ever read states quite clearly that communism and socialism are different.

 

Socialism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism - any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

 

Communism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism - a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed

 

And socialism is worse than communism, as socialism (by definition) puts the power and control over resources into the hands of a central authority. Communism puts the control of resources into the hands of the community.

 

And like the majority of the uninformed and poorly educated, you are using the word "communism" for what is actually "authoritarianism communism" or socialism.

 

Communism and Socialism share the same ideals: uniformity, collectivism, central authority and so on. Both are bad and lead to totalitarianism because the only way you can implement collectivism and uniformity is by force. I have seen it and I have lived it.

My "emotional" arguments, as you named them, are based on facts and lived experiecens thanks to the implementation, by force, of these "beautiful" ideals discussed here and today by "intellectuals" which, by the way, have never lived in their own flesh what is like Communism and Socialism in the practice and that pretend to know it all.

No Communism and neither Socialism work. Both lead to misery and totalitarianism and end in permanent econimic disaster. You can theorize as long as you want about it but real facts and statistics of Communism and Socialism applied will always hit you in the face.

Listen the experience of people who have lived it and no the theories of people who dont.

 

 

Read a book. Learn the difference between a political system and an economic system.

 

 

 

The school I went to, and every book I have ever read states quite clearly that communism and socialism are different.

 

Socialism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism - any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

 

Communism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism - a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed

 

And socialism is worse than communism, as socialism (by definition) puts the power and control over resources into the hands of a central authority. Communism puts the control of resources into the hands of the community.

 

And like the majority of the uninformed and poorly educated, you are using the word "communism" for what is actually "authoritarianism communism" or socialism.

 

 

Isn't it the same? Isn't "owned by state" just a bigger form of "owned in common"?

 

Because question is if your authoritarianism communism is not decadence of your idealistic communism.

 

 

How socialism can be worse? what is "hands of community" other than "hands of central authority" in bigger form?

 

Socialism sound to me like starting with the same background like communism and developed better. Because it does count with reality.

 

You cannot do it differently - some goods will always have to be held in public authorities, question is if the purpose is stated to be for the poor and common good, or if it is purely in hands of individuals to do whatever they want with it - that is totalism?

 

But as I said before, still I believe it - the worst mistake of totalistic communism was to remove faith and anything supernatural in fear, that is like cutting your hand and goes against nature of humans, but all the rest does sound like decadence:

we are all equal=nobody can be different=nobody is allowed to have their own dreams=people will live double life

everything should be held in common=nobody is allowed to have somethign extra=everything belong to the community=people will steal

everyone can work for 1 goal=everyone should work for 1 goal=nobody is allowed to work for themselves.. = people will stop working

 

Why? Because that is nature of people - they want to be different, they want to own things for themselves and they want to work on their own things.

So if communism will be on the level of state, it will have to force people into it, that will lead to totalism and totalism to total decay and bankruptcy.

 

That is atleast how it does sound to me - after all the discussions here and after all the thinking.

 

 

EDIT:

But in China - how they do it? They control their people somehow, don't they?

 

 

So what you are saying is that I should destroy all the history books, all the political science books, all the periodicals, all the documentaries, all the books on economic theory, and listen only to your overwrought, irrational and emotional ravings of someone whose only qualification is "I was there". No, I think not. I stand by my original statement, you are too close to be objective.

 

Learn the difference between what it says in a book, (theory) and how it works in actual practice. The two are seldom even remotely comparable.

 

I am FAR more likely to trust the experience of someone that has actually LIVED in such a system, than some intellectual that has only read about it, and has zero practical experience with EITHER system.

[Deleted67195711User]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Comunism is evil, Marxism is evil. I have lived in two comunist countries and I have lived in my own flesh what Communism has to give: hungry, represion, a complete control o state over any single aspect of your life, zero freedom of speech, zero respect to private property, zero respect to life (mainly disident lives), zero respect to individual liberties and so on. So, dont come to me with fairy stories about comunism and the argument of: that wasnt real comunism. Communism and Marxism in theory are a lie, in real life are evil. Every time you try to implement it in any country, it will fail and will end the same way.

In my opinion, comunism and marxism are bad words and should banned for life in any school and in any country. And people (mainly young minds) who thinks Communism is beautiful, is because they dont have lived in a communist country and dont know nothing about it, I have. They are being deceived and that is bad. Instead they should be teaching them the truht about it.

I apologize for being so sensitive about this theme. This is only my opinion based in my own experiences.

 

Our schools seem to have issues with figuring out just what the 'truth' is...... and it varies from school to school. For the most part though, they like to call it 'socialism', not communism, as that has less negative connotations....... And you are correct, the folks espousing communism/socialism as a 'better way of life', have never lived in a communist/socialist country......

 

 

The school I went to, and every book I have ever read states quite clearly that communism and socialism are different.

 

Socialism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism - any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

 

Communism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism - a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed

 

And socialism is worse than communism, as socialism (by definition) puts the power and control over resources into the hands of a central authority. Communism puts the control of resources into the hands of the community.

 

And like the majority of the uninformed and poorly educated, you are using the word "communism" for what is actually "authoritarianism communism" or socialism.

 

Communism and Socialism share the same ideals: uniformity, collectivism, central authority and so on. Both are bad and lead to totalitarianism because the only way you can implement collectivism and uniformity is by force. I have seen it and I have lived it.

My "emotional" arguments, as you named them, are based on facts and lived experiecens thanks to the implementation, by force, of these "beautiful" ideals discussed here and today by "intellectuals" which, by the way, have never lived in their own flesh what is like Communism and Socialism in the practice and that pretend to know it all.

No Communism and neither Socialism work. Both lead to misery and totalitarianism and end in permanent econimic disaster. You can theorize as long as you want about it but real facts and statistics of Communism and Socialism applied will always hit you in the face.

Listen the experience of people who have lived it and no the theories of people who dont.

 

 

Read a book. Learn the difference between a political system and an economic system.

 

 

 

The school I went to, and every book I have ever read states quite clearly that communism and socialism are different.

 

Socialism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism - any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

 

Communism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism - a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed

 

And socialism is worse than communism, as socialism (by definition) puts the power and control over resources into the hands of a central authority. Communism puts the control of resources into the hands of the community.

 

And like the majority of the uninformed and poorly educated, you are using the word "communism" for what is actually "authoritarianism communism" or socialism.

 

 

Isn't it the same? Isn't "owned by state" just a bigger form of "owned in common"?

 

Because question is if your authoritarianism communism is not decadence of your idealistic communism.

 

 

How socialism can be worse? what is "hands of community" other than "hands of central authority" in bigger form?

 

Socialism sound to me like starting with the same background like communism and developed better. Because it does count with reality.

 

You cannot do it differently - some goods will always have to be held in public authorities, question is if the purpose is stated to be for the poor and common good, or if it is purely in hands of individuals to do whatever they want with it - that is totalism?

 

But as I said before, still I believe it - the worst mistake of totalistic communism was to remove faith and anything supernatural in fear, that is like cutting your hand and goes against nature of humans, but all the rest does sound like decadence:

we are all equal=nobody can be different=nobody is allowed to have their own dreams=people will live double life

everything should be held in common=nobody is allowed to have somethign extra=everything belong to the community=people will steal

everyone can work for 1 goal=everyone should work for 1 goal=nobody is allowed to work for themselves.. = people will stop working

 

Why? Because that is nature of people - they want to be different, they want to own things for themselves and they want to work on their own things.

So if communism will be on the level of state, it will have to force people into it, that will lead to totalism and totalism to total decay and bankruptcy.

 

That is atleast how it does sound to me - after all the discussions here and after all the thinking.

 

 

EDIT:

But in China - how they do it? They control their people somehow, don't they?

 

 

So what you are saying is that I should destroy all the history books, all the political science books, all the periodicals, all the documentaries, all the books on economic theory, and listen only to your overwrought, irrational and emotional ravings of someone whose only qualification is "I was there". No, I think not. I stand by my original statement, you are too close to be objective.

 

Learn the difference between what it says in a book, (theory) and how it works in actual practice. The two are seldom even remotely comparable.

 

I am FAR more likely to trust the experience of someone that has actually LIVED in such a system, than some intellectual that has only read about it, and has zero practical experience with EITHER system.

 

 

By your belief, I am an expert on war simply because I fought in one. What a crock of < expletive deleted >. I know my experience only and my experience was limited to specific places and specific periods of time. So even though I fought in a war, I know nothing about the totality of war other than what I read in books. The very books, in fact, which the Department of Defense uses to teach future officers at Annapolis, West Point, and Colorado Springs. It seems that The Department of Defense recognizes the value of books as the recorded thinking and history of a people.

 

Experience is a lousy source for anything but anecdotal information. And in spite of the trope, experience is a terrible teacher. Experience is haphazard, erratic and arbitrary. No two people have the same experience. And no two people experience the same event the same way. So relying on experience to make a value judgement is a risky proposition at best. Remember always that "first hand accounts" based on ''experience" are anecdotes. Anecdotes come with few to no verifiable facts, and 'word of mouth' is often a tactic used in disinformation and propaganda campaigns. Just look at what happened in El Norte during the 2016 Presidential campaign. So, I am prone to believe data which are repeatable, measurable and verifiable, and which comes from a reputable source. The kinds of data found in books.

 

If you want some information that is not anecdotal and comes from books, Lawrence Martin-Bittman wrote three. Before he defected in 1968, Bittman was an intelligence officer specializing in disinformation for the Czechoslovak Intelligence Service.

 

Or try the books by Oleg Gordievsky. He defected in 1961, became an Agent for MI6 and returned to Russia.

 

Or Alexander Mikhailovich Zuyev a Soviet Air Force pilot who flew a MIG 29 to Turkey and defected in 1989.

 

One last thought. Most of those that defected from the Soviet Union were 'educated intellectuals'. The kind of people that read books. I wonder, is there a correlation?

[RGMage2]

An idea can be beautiful even if its implementation is ugly or cruel or impractical. The degree of ugliness, the level of cruelty, or the totality of impracticality of the implementation does not negate the beauty of the idea. Just as the beauty of the idea does not negate the ugliness or cruelty or impracticality of the implementation.

 

This is why, to say communism is a beautiful idea, is not a defense of communism as a system of government.

[HeyYou]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Comunism is evil, Marxism is evil. I have lived in two comunist countries and I have lived in my own flesh what Communism has to give: hungry, represion, a complete control o state over any single aspect of your life, zero freedom of speech, zero respect to private property, zero respect to life (mainly disident lives), zero respect to individual liberties and so on. So, dont come to me with fairy stories about comunism and the argument of: that wasnt real comunism. Communism and Marxism in theory are a lie, in real life are evil. Every time you try to implement it in any country, it will fail and will end the same way.

In my opinion, comunism and marxism are bad words and should banned for life in any school and in any country. And people (mainly young minds) who thinks Communism is beautiful, is because they dont have lived in a communist country and dont know nothing about it, I have. They are being deceived and that is bad. Instead they should be teaching them the truht about it.

I apologize for being so sensitive about this theme. This is only my opinion based in my own experiences.

 

Our schools seem to have issues with figuring out just what the 'truth' is...... and it varies from school to school. For the most part though, they like to call it 'socialism', not communism, as that has less negative connotations....... And you are correct, the folks espousing communism/socialism as a 'better way of life', have never lived in a communist/socialist country......

 

 

The school I went to, and every book I have ever read states quite clearly that communism and socialism are different.

 

Socialism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism - any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

 

Communism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism - a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed

 

And socialism is worse than communism, as socialism (by definition) puts the power and control over resources into the hands of a central authority. Communism puts the control of resources into the hands of the community.

 

And like the majority of the uninformed and poorly educated, you are using the word "communism" for what is actually "authoritarianism communism" or socialism.

 

Communism and Socialism share the same ideals: uniformity, collectivism, central authority and so on. Both are bad and lead to totalitarianism because the only way you can implement collectivism and uniformity is by force. I have seen it and I have lived it.

My "emotional" arguments, as you named them, are based on facts and lived experiecens thanks to the implementation, by force, of these "beautiful" ideals discussed here and today by "intellectuals" which, by the way, have never lived in their own flesh what is like Communism and Socialism in the practice and that pretend to know it all.

No Communism and neither Socialism work. Both lead to misery and totalitarianism and end in permanent econimic disaster. You can theorize as long as you want about it but real facts and statistics of Communism and Socialism applied will always hit you in the face.

Listen the experience of people who have lived it and no the theories of people who dont.

 

 

Read a book. Learn the difference between a political system and an economic system.

 

 

 

The school I went to, and every book I have ever read states quite clearly that communism and socialism are different.

 

Socialism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism - any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

 

Communism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism - a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed

 

And socialism is worse than communism, as socialism (by definition) puts the power and control over resources into the hands of a central authority. Communism puts the control of resources into the hands of the community.

 

And like the majority of the uninformed and poorly educated, you are using the word "communism" for what is actually "authoritarianism communism" or socialism.

 

 

Isn't it the same? Isn't "owned by state" just a bigger form of "owned in common"?

 

Because question is if your authoritarianism communism is not decadence of your idealistic communism.

 

 

How socialism can be worse? what is "hands of community" other than "hands of central authority" in bigger form?

 

Socialism sound to me like starting with the same background like communism and developed better. Because it does count with reality.

 

You cannot do it differently - some goods will always have to be held in public authorities, question is if the purpose is stated to be for the poor and common good, or if it is purely in hands of individuals to do whatever they want with it - that is totalism?

 

But as I said before, still I believe it - the worst mistake of totalistic communism was to remove faith and anything supernatural in fear, that is like cutting your hand and goes against nature of humans, but all the rest does sound like decadence:

we are all equal=nobody can be different=nobody is allowed to have their own dreams=people will live double life

everything should be held in common=nobody is allowed to have somethign extra=everything belong to the community=people will steal

everyone can work for 1 goal=everyone should work for 1 goal=nobody is allowed to work for themselves.. = people will stop working

 

Why? Because that is nature of people - they want to be different, they want to own things for themselves and they want to work on their own things.

So if communism will be on the level of state, it will have to force people into it, that will lead to totalism and totalism to total decay and bankruptcy.

 

That is atleast how it does sound to me - after all the discussions here and after all the thinking.

 

 

EDIT:

But in China - how they do it? They control their people somehow, don't they?

 

 

So what you are saying is that I should destroy all the history books, all the political science books, all the periodicals, all the documentaries, all the books on economic theory, and listen only to your overwrought, irrational and emotional ravings of someone whose only qualification is "I was there". No, I think not. I stand by my original statement, you are too close to be objective.

 

Learn the difference between what it says in a book, (theory) and how it works in actual practice. The two are seldom even remotely comparable.

 

I am FAR more likely to trust the experience of someone that has actually LIVED in such a system, than some intellectual that has only read about it, and has zero practical experience with EITHER system.

 

 

By your belief, I am an expert on war simply because I fought in one. What a crock of < expletive deleted >. I know my experience only and my experience was limited to specific places and specific periods of time. So even though I fought in a war, I know nothing about the totality of war other than what I read in books. The very books, in fact, which the Department of Defense uses to teach future officers at Annapolis, West Point, and Colorado Springs. It seems that The Department of Defense recognizes the value of books as the recorded thinking and history of a people.

 

Experience is a lousy source for anything but anecdotal information. And in spite of the trope, experience is a terrible teacher. Experience is haphazard, erratic and arbitrary. No two people have the same experience. And no two people experience the same event the same way. So relying on experience to make a value judgement is a risky proposition at best. Remember always that "first hand accounts" based on ''experience" are anecdotes. Anecdotes come with few to no verifiable facts, and 'word of mouth' is often a tactic used in disinformation and propaganda campaigns. Just look at what happened in El Norte during the 2016 Presidential campaign. So, I am prone to believe data which are repeatable, measurable and verifiable, and which comes from a reputable source. The kinds of data found in books.

 

If you want some information that is not anecdotal and comes from books, Lawrence Martin-Bittman wrote three. Before he defected in 1968, Bittman was an intelligence officer specializing in disinformation for the Czechoslovak Intelligence Service.

 

Or try the books by Oleg Gordievsky. He defected in 1961, became an Agent for MI6 and returned to Russia.

 

Or Alexander Mikhailovich Zuyev a Soviet Air Force pilot who flew a MIG 29 to Turkey and defected in 1989.

 

One last thought. Most of those that defected from the Soviet Union were 'educated intellectuals'. The kind of people that read books. I wonder, is there a correlation?

 

Well, of course you know more about it than someone that actually lived under such regimes, because you read books.........

 

I would also point out that because you fought in a war (thank you for your service) you know a heck of a lot more about it than some that ONLY read books.

 

I am not going to read anything on topic, because I am just not that concerned, I will take the word of someone with direct experience, that it is not a pleasant system to live under, on a large scale.

 

In all reality, I should have known better than to respond. Your response is not only predicable, but, expected. You know all, know more than anyone else, are always right, and couldn't possible be wrong...... or misguided. Because you read books.

 

I won't respond to you again. I CAN learn from MY mistakes.

[Deleted67195711User]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Comunism is evil, Marxism is evil. I have lived in two comunist countries and I have lived in my own flesh what Communism has to give: hungry, represion, a complete control o state over any single aspect of your life, zero freedom of speech, zero respect to private property, zero respect to life (mainly disident lives), zero respect to individual liberties and so on. So, dont come to me with fairy stories about comunism and the argument of: that wasnt real comunism. Communism and Marxism in theory are a lie, in real life are evil. Every time you try to implement it in any country, it will fail and will end the same way.

In my opinion, comunism and marxism are bad words and should banned for life in any school and in any country. And people (mainly young minds) who thinks Communism is beautiful, is because they dont have lived in a communist country and dont know nothing about it, I have. They are being deceived and that is bad. Instead they should be teaching them the truht about it.

I apologize for being so sensitive about this theme. This is only my opinion based in my own experiences.

 

Our schools seem to have issues with figuring out just what the 'truth' is...... and it varies from school to school. For the most part though, they like to call it 'socialism', not communism, as that has less negative connotations....... And you are correct, the folks espousing communism/socialism as a 'better way of life', have never lived in a communist/socialist country......

 

 

The school I went to, and every book I have ever read states quite clearly that communism and socialism are different.

 

Socialism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism - any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

 

Communism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism - a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed

 

And socialism is worse than communism, as socialism (by definition) puts the power and control over resources into the hands of a central authority. Communism puts the control of resources into the hands of the community.

 

And like the majority of the uninformed and poorly educated, you are using the word "communism" for what is actually "authoritarianism communism" or socialism.

 

Communism and Socialism share the same ideals: uniformity, collectivism, central authority and so on. Both are bad and lead to totalitarianism because the only way you can implement collectivism and uniformity is by force. I have seen it and I have lived it.

My "emotional" arguments, as you named them, are based on facts and lived experiecens thanks to the implementation, by force, of these "beautiful" ideals discussed here and today by "intellectuals" which, by the way, have never lived in their own flesh what is like Communism and Socialism in the practice and that pretend to know it all.

No Communism and neither Socialism work. Both lead to misery and totalitarianism and end in permanent econimic disaster. You can theorize as long as you want about it but real facts and statistics of Communism and Socialism applied will always hit you in the face.

Listen the experience of people who have lived it and no the theories of people who dont.

 

 

Read a book. Learn the difference between a political system and an economic system.

 

 

 

The school I went to, and every book I have ever read states quite clearly that communism and socialism are different.

 

Socialism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism - any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

 

Communism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism - a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed

 

And socialism is worse than communism, as socialism (by definition) puts the power and control over resources into the hands of a central authority. Communism puts the control of resources into the hands of the community.

 

And like the majority of the uninformed and poorly educated, you are using the word "communism" for what is actually "authoritarianism communism" or socialism.

 

 

Isn't it the same? Isn't "owned by state" just a bigger form of "owned in common"?

 

Because question is if your authoritarianism communism is not decadence of your idealistic communism.

 

 

How socialism can be worse? what is "hands of community" other than "hands of central authority" in bigger form?

 

Socialism sound to me like starting with the same background like communism and developed better. Because it does count with reality.

 

You cannot do it differently - some goods will always have to be held in public authorities, question is if the purpose is stated to be for the poor and common good, or if it is purely in hands of individuals to do whatever they want with it - that is totalism?

 

But as I said before, still I believe it - the worst mistake of totalistic communism was to remove faith and anything supernatural in fear, that is like cutting your hand and goes against nature of humans, but all the rest does sound like decadence:

we are all equal=nobody can be different=nobody is allowed to have their own dreams=people will live double life

everything should be held in common=nobody is allowed to have somethign extra=everything belong to the community=people will steal

everyone can work for 1 goal=everyone should work for 1 goal=nobody is allowed to work for themselves.. = people will stop working

 

Why? Because that is nature of people - they want to be different, they want to own things for themselves and they want to work on their own things.

So if communism will be on the level of state, it will have to force people into it, that will lead to totalism and totalism to total decay and bankruptcy.

 

That is atleast how it does sound to me - after all the discussions here and after all the thinking.

 

 

EDIT:

But in China - how they do it? They control their people somehow, don't they?

 

 

So what you are saying is that I should destroy all the history books, all the political science books, all the periodicals, all the documentaries, all the books on economic theory, and listen only to your overwrought, irrational and emotional ravings of someone whose only qualification is "I was there". No, I think not. I stand by my original statement, you are too close to be objective.

 

Learn the difference between what it says in a book, (theory) and how it works in actual practice. The two are seldom even remotely comparable.

 

I am FAR more likely to trust the experience of someone that has actually LIVED in such a system, than some intellectual that has only read about it, and has zero practical experience with EITHER system.

 

 

By your belief, I am an expert on war simply because I fought in one. What a crock of < expletive deleted >. I know my experience only and my experience was limited to specific places and specific periods of time. So even though I fought in a war, I know nothing about the totality of war other than what I read in books. The very books, in fact, which the Department of Defense uses to teach future officers at Annapolis, West Point, and Colorado Springs. It seems that The Department of Defense recognizes the value of books as the recorded thinking and history of a people.

 

Experience is a lousy source for anything but anecdotal information. And in spite of the trope, experience is a terrible teacher. Experience is haphazard, erratic and arbitrary. No two people have the same experience. And no two people experience the same event the same way. So relying on experience to make a value judgement is a risky proposition at best. Remember always that "first hand accounts" based on ''experience" are anecdotes. Anecdotes come with few to no verifiable facts, and 'word of mouth' is often a tactic used in disinformation and propaganda campaigns. Just look at what happened in El Norte during the 2016 Presidential campaign. So, I am prone to believe data which are repeatable, measurable and verifiable, and which comes from a reputable source. The kinds of data found in books.

 

If you want some information that is not anecdotal and comes from books, Lawrence Martin-Bittman wrote three. Before he defected in 1968, Bittman was an intelligence officer specializing in disinformation for the Czechoslovak Intelligence Service.

 

Or try the books by Oleg Gordievsky. He defected in 1961, became an Agent for MI6 and returned to Russia.

 

Or Alexander Mikhailovich Zuyev a Soviet Air Force pilot who flew a MIG 29 to Turkey and defected in 1989.

 

One last thought. Most of those that defected from the Soviet Union were 'educated intellectuals'. The kind of people that read books. I wonder, is there a correlation?

 

 

 

 

Well, of course you know more about it than someone that actually lived under such regimes, because you read books.........

 

I would also point out that because you fought in a war (thank you for your service) you know a heck of a lot more about it than some that ONLY read books.

 

I am not going to read anything on topic, because I am just not that concerned, I will take the word of someone with direct experience, that it is not a pleasant system to live under, on a large scale.

 

In all reality, I should have known better than to respond. Your response is not only predicable, but, expected. You know all, know more than anyone else, are always right, and couldn't possible be wrong...... or misguided. Because you read books.

 

I won't respond to you again. I CAN learn from MY mistakes.

 

 

Your response was equally predictable. Ad hominem upon ad hominem.

 

Your refusal to read anything and actually educate yourself on the topic under discussion should tell everyone what your posts are worth. And the admission that you are not concerned about the topic should warn the world that there is another agenda for your posting.

 

Frankly, your "thank you for your service" has the hollow, meaningless and thoughtless ring of a line you learned somewhere and regurgitate upon receiving the appropriate stimuli. A Pavlovian response, as it where.

 

And respond or not as you wish. I will be here, facts at the ready, and the educated, book reading, elitist, intellectualism you despise.

[AmaccurzerO]

 

 

 

 

 

Comunism is evil, Marxism is evil. I have lived in two comunist countries and I have lived in my own flesh what Communism has to give: hungry, represion, a complete control o state over any single aspect of your life, zero freedom of speech, zero respect to private property, zero respect to life (mainly disident lives), zero respect to individual liberties and so on. So, dont come to me with fairy stories about comunism and the argument of: that wasnt real comunism. Communism and Marxism in theory are a lie, in real life are evil. Every time you try to implement it in any country, it will fail and will end the same way.

In my opinion, comunism and marxism are bad words and should banned for life in any school and in any country. And people (mainly young minds) who thinks Communism is beautiful, is because they dont have lived in a communist country and dont know nothing about it, I have. They are being deceived and that is bad. Instead they should be teaching them the truht about it.

I apologize for being so sensitive about this theme. This is only my opinion based in my own experiences.

 

Our schools seem to have issues with figuring out just what the 'truth' is...... and it varies from school to school. For the most part though, they like to call it 'socialism', not communism, as that has less negative connotations....... And you are correct, the folks espousing communism/socialism as a 'better way of life', have never lived in a communist/socialist country......

 

 

The school I went to, and every book I have ever read states quite clearly that communism and socialism are different.

 

Socialism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism - any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

 

Communism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism - a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed

 

And socialism is worse than communism, as socialism (by definition) puts the power and control over resources into the hands of a central authority. Communism puts the control of resources into the hands of the community.

 

And like the majority of the uninformed and poorly educated, you are using the word "communism" for what is actually "authoritarianism communism" or socialism.

 

Communism and Socialism share the same ideals: uniformity, collectivism, central authority and so on. Both are bad and lead to totalitarianism because the only way you can implement collectivism and uniformity is by force. I have seen it and I have lived it.

My "emotional" arguments, as you named them, are based on facts and lived experiecens thanks to the implementation, by force, of these "beautiful" ideals discussed here and today by "intellectuals" which, by the way, have never lived in their own flesh what is like Communism and Socialism in the practice and that pretend to know it all.

No Communism and neither Socialism work. Both lead to misery and totalitarianism and end in permanent econimic disaster. You can theorize as long as you want about it but real facts and statistics of Communism and Socialism applied will always hit you in the face.

Listen the experience of people who have lived it and no the theories of people who dont.

 

 

So what you are saying is that I should destroy all the history books, all the political science books, all the periodicals, all the documentaries, all the books on economic theory, and listen only to your overwrought, irrational and emotional ravings? Someone whose only qualification is "I was there"? No, I think not. I stand by my original statement, you are too close to be objective.

 

 

 

The school I went to, and every book I have ever read states quite clearly that communism and socialism are different.

 

Socialism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism - any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

 

Communism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism - a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed

 

And socialism is worse than communism, as socialism (by definition) puts the power and control over resources into the hands of a central authority. Communism puts the control of resources into the hands of the community.

 

And like the majority of the uninformed and poorly educated, you are using the word "communism" for what is actually "authoritarianism communism" or socialism.

 

 

Isn't it the same? Isn't "owned by state" just a bigger form of "owned in common"?

 

Because question is if your authoritarianism communism is not decadence of your idealistic communism.

 

 

How socialism can be worse? what is "hands of community" other than "hands of central authority" in bigger form?

 

Socialism sound to me like starting with the same background like communism and developed better. Because it does count with reality.

 

You cannot do it differently - some goods will always have to be held in public authorities, question is if the purpose is stated to be for the poor and common good, or if it is purely in hands of individuals to do whatever they want with it - that is totalism?

 

But as I said before, still I believe it - the worst mistake of totalistic communism was to remove faith and anything supernatural in fear, that is like cutting your hand and goes against nature of humans, but all the rest does sound like decadence:

we are all equal=nobody can be different=nobody is allowed to have their own dreams=people will live double life

everything should be held in common=nobody is allowed to have somethign extra=everything belong to the community=people will steal

everyone can work for 1 goal=everyone should work for 1 goal=nobody is allowed to work for themselves.. = people will stop working

 

Why? Because that is nature of people - they want to be different, they want to own things for themselves and they want to work on their own things.

So if communism will be on the level of state, it will have to force people into it, that will lead to totalism and totalism to total decay and bankruptcy.

 

That is atleast how it does sound to me - after all the discussions here and after all the thinking.

 

 

EDIT:

But in China - how they do it? They control their people somehow, don't they?

 

 

Read a book. Learn the difference between a political system and an economic system.

 

Do you know what is really sad? When I emigrated from my born country because of the Communism, the Communism was starting to grow in the country where I emigrated. I tried to warn people about the dangerous of the implementation of these ideas. Many of them, like you, called my arguments emotionals and irrationals. They told me to read more and called me ignorant. But time is wiser and gave me the reason. Now all those people are suffering what is Communism in their flesh. Many have emigrated, others have lost all and live in misery and those who opposed are in jail or dead.

Reading is good, but it doesnt make you necessarily wiser if the source is wrong. You know nothing about me or my proffesion to call me ignorant or poorly educated as you have called everyone with a different point of view. But dont worry, I have no hurt feelings about it. I complied warning you. Is the least I can do and I will always do it no matter if people believe me or not. You can believe what you want, think what you want and do what you want.

Have a nice day.

Edited June 2, 2019 by AmaccurzerO

[Deleted67195711User]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Comunism is evil, Marxism is evil. I have lived in two comunist countries and I have lived in my own flesh what Communism has to give: hungry, represion, a complete control o state over any single aspect of your life, zero freedom of speech, zero respect to private property, zero respect to life (mainly disident lives), zero respect to individual liberties and so on. So, dont come to me with fairy stories about comunism and the argument of: that wasnt real comunism. Communism and Marxism in theory are a lie, in real life are evil. Every time you try to implement it in any country, it will fail and will end the same way.

In my opinion, comunism and marxism are bad words and should banned for life in any school and in any country. And people (mainly young minds) who thinks Communism is beautiful, is because they dont have lived in a communist country and dont know nothing about it, I have. They are being deceived and that is bad. Instead they should be teaching them the truht about it.

I apologize for being so sensitive about this theme. This is only my opinion based in my own experiences.

 

Our schools seem to have issues with figuring out just what the 'truth' is...... and it varies from school to school. For the most part though, they like to call it 'socialism', not communism, as that has less negative connotations....... And you are correct, the folks espousing communism/socialism as a 'better way of life', have never lived in a communist/socialist country......

 

 

The school I went to, and every book I have ever read states quite clearly that communism and socialism are different.

 

Socialism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism - any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

 

Communism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism - a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed

 

And socialism is worse than communism, as socialism (by definition) puts the power and control over resources into the hands of a central authority. Communism puts the control of resources into the hands of the community.

 

And like the majority of the uninformed and poorly educated, you are using the word "communism" for what is actually "authoritarianism communism" or socialism.

 

Communism and Socialism share the same ideals: uniformity, collectivism, central authority and so on. Both are bad and lead to totalitarianism because the only way you can implement collectivism and uniformity is by force. I have seen it and I have lived it.

My "emotional" arguments, as you named them, are based on facts and lived experiecens thanks to the implementation, by force, of these "beautiful" ideals discussed here and today by "intellectuals" which, by the way, have never lived in their own flesh what is like Communism and Socialism in the practice and that pretend to know it all.

No Communism and neither Socialism work. Both lead to misery and totalitarianism and end in permanent econimic disaster. You can theorize as long as you want about it but real facts and statistics of Communism and Socialism applied will always hit you in the face.

Listen the experience of people who have lived it and no the theories of people who dont.

 

 

So what you are saying is that I should destroy all the history books, all the political science books, all the periodicals, all the documentaries, all the books on economic theory, and listen only to your overwrought, irrational and emotional ravings? Someone whose only qualification is "I was there"? No, I think not. I stand by my original statement, you are too close to be objective

 

 

 

Do you know what is really sad? When I emigrated from my born country because of the Communism, the Communism was starting to grow in the country where I emigrated. I tried to warn people about the dangerous of the implementation of these ideas. Many of them, like you, called my arguments emotionals and irrationals. They told me to read more and called me ignorant. But time is wiser and gave me the reason. Now all those people are suffering what is Communism in their flesh. Many have emigrated, others have lost all and live in misery and those who opposed are in jail or dead.

Reading is good, but it doesnt make you necessarily wiser if the source is wrong. You know nothing about me or my proffesion to call me ignorant or poorly educated as you have called everyone with a different point of view. But dont worry, I have no hurt feelings about it. I complied warning you. Is the least I can do and I will always do it no matter if people believe me or not. You can believe what you want, think what you want and do what you want.

Have a nice day.

 

 

What is really sad is the belief that "I was there" makes you smarter than everybody else and that the only thoughts on the subject which matter are yours.

 

What is really sad is that you ignore the collected learning of mankind and the lessons of history. all of which are recorded in the libraries of the world. Any society or person which ignores its past is doomed to repeat it, and deserves to.

 

What is really sad is that you are unable to put down you hatred and anger long enough to look at the world from any perspective but your own. And what is really, really sad is that you are trapped in that world of hatred and anger, in a prison of your own making. You wear the shackles of your past willingly and eagerly.

 

Like I said in the beginning, I do not which to diminish your experiences. They are what defines you and binds you.