MarchinBunny Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) I have three mods. Each one updates form Zed. Two update form Yankee. LOOT wants the mods loaded A, B, C. But I know that load order is a LIFO stack, so I want B last because it has the updated version of Zed I want to use. Further, I want the copy of Yankee from mod A. I want my load order to be C, A, B to ensure that the last version of each form I want comes from the correct mod. That is at least two rules for three mods and it gets more obtuse the more mods one has. Your over simplification does no one service and is misleading at best. It also demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of what a mod actually is and the impact mod load order has on game play. Are you saying the creater of MO and Vortex also doesn't understand what a mod actually is and the impact a mod load order has on game play? o.o In which case I guess there is no need for me to respond then, lol go tell Tannin that XD Edited February 9, 2018 by Brabbit1987 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorlyAged Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 I have three mods. Each one updates form Zed. Two update form Yankee. LOOT wants the mods loaded A, B, C. But I know that load order is a LIFO stack, so I want B last because it has the updated version of Zed I want to use. Further, I want the copy of Yankee from mod A. I want my load order to be C, A, B to ensure that the last version of each form I want comes from the correct mod. That is at least two rules for three mods and it gets more obtuse the more mods one has. Your over simplification does no one service and is misleading at best. It also demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of what a mod actually is and the impact mod load order has on game play. Are you saying the creater of MO and Vortex also doesn't understand what a mod actually is and the impact a mod load order has on game play? o.o In which case I guess there is no need for me to respond then, lol go tell Tannin that XD Nice deflection, but I was talking about you alone. You are not the creator of MO, NMM or Vortex. You are just another person expressing an opinion based on ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarchinBunny Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 I have three mods. Each one updates form Zed. Two update form Yankee. LOOT wants the mods loaded A, B, C. But I know that load order is a LIFO stack, so I want B last because it has the updated version of Zed I want to use. Further, I want the copy of Yankee from mod A. I want my load order to be C, A, B to ensure that the last version of each form I want comes from the correct mod. That is at least two rules for three mods and it gets more obtuse the more mods one has. Your over simplification does no one service and is misleading at best. It also demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of what a mod actually is and the impact mod load order has on game play. Are you saying the creater of MO and Vortex also doesn't understand what a mod actually is and the impact a mod load order has on game play? o.o In which case I guess there is no need for me to respond then, lol go tell Tannin that XD Nice deflection, but I was talking about you alone. You are not the creator of MO, NMM or Vortex. You are just another person expressing an opinion based on ignorance. Well, no, not quite. I may not be Tannin, but if you go talk to him he is going to say what I said, though probably more technical and accurate. So what would your argument to him be? He is the one who decided on this system, and your claim is that it is wrong, not good, and anyone who essentially thinks it's good lacks understanding of what a mod actually is. Even if my personal example may have been flawed, which it wasn't I don't think. What is your argument against Tannin? Disregard me for a second and go read the thread under Vortex Feedback. Read what Tannin says, and you tell me that what you just said also does not apply to him. Oh, and I agree. It's ignorance you see, but you are not looking at me, you are looking into a mirror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrizenDe Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 One question I haven't seen answered so far is: Can I hit a panic button and delete all rules in case I majorly messed up? I know I can delete them individually, but on a global scale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted133263User Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 One question I haven't seen answered so far is: Can I hit a panic button and delete all rules in case I majorly messed up?I know I can delete them individually, but on a global scale? Vortex is using LOOTs API, so even if it does not include the function at the moment, I would imagine Tannin could implement Clear all User Meta Data .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oblitus Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 One question I haven't seen answered so far is: Can I hit a panic button and delete all rules in case I majorly messed up?I know I can delete them individually, but on a global scale? Vortex is using LOOTs API, so even if it does not include the function at the moment, I would imagine Tannin could implement Clear all User Meta Data .. And that is pretty much my problem with Vortex. With a normal mod manager, you have full manager functionality and full LOOT functionality. With Vortex, you have only barebone stuff for both, and it is called "feature." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarchinBunny Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 One question I haven't seen answered so far is: Can I hit a panic button and delete all rules in case I majorly messed up?I know I can delete them individually, but on a global scale? Vortex is using LOOTs API, so even if it does not include the function at the moment, I would imagine Tannin could implement Clear all User Meta Data .. And that is pretty much my problem with Vortex. With a normal mod manager, you have full manager functionality and full LOOT functionality. With Vortex, you have only barebone stuff for both, and it is called "feature." Uhh no. That is a very dishonest way to describe it. It can do most everything a previous mod manager could do (Certainly more the NMM), and there is plenty of stuff still in development that is on the table. This is a beta, it's not very hard to understand that. If you don't know how a beta works, then I suggest you don't get involved because all you will do is complain. Wait until the full release if you have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deleted34304850 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 its actually alpha not beta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarchinBunny Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 its actually alpha not betaAhh, ya you are right. Alpha makes sense. I really do hope people begin to understand that though. I feel like some people's expectations are way too high for an alpha and are making way too many assumptions on what is and isn't going to be in Vortex. Way too early to judge it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthmoor Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Not to early to judge the missing load order feature though since, alpha or not, Tannin says he won't put it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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