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Well i for one am i player... never did a mod in my life... i like loads of mods and see lots of mods that i can't get or can't comprehend... or my machine doesn't have enough power to run them.. still about the japanese mods... the person who gets their hand on them them should upload em after getting permission, then if a community would want to ask for staff, for people that have spare time, that know both japanese and english and are willing to translate the readme's... things could get better i think... we just need to be better organized and this attempt should come from our side since we're chasing after the japanese stuff... btw the stuff those guys make is heavy stuff :yes:
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I just wish to express my gratitude for the graciousness of you all by adding my view as one of Oblivion players from Japan.

 

First of all, we Japanese players must say thanks to the generous modders here for sharing their great works, some of which are also very popular among Japanese users. Actually, nearly all mods that I myself am using are those which I downloaded here. Please allow me to say thanks again here. Of course, most of Japanese Oblivion modders and users respect foreign creators, players and their great creations. Although I guess those issues have been discussed enough, I would like to add my view and share a few observations.

 

I first wish to clarify the meaning of "Japanese Modding Community". As you know, 2ch is a large internet community in Japan where lots of people discuss various topics, and lots of great mods have been being created there. However, 2ch is not the only forum that all Oblivion modders and users frequent. Some of those frequent 2ch but some don't. So, in actual fact, there are some other modders and users in Japan who have different opinions from those of 2ch users. Myself being a great fan of Irricht's website "Oblivion Wiki JP", I rarely visit 2ch forum. Besides, 2ch is a large forum each of whose members is anonymous, which has multitude threads where nearly all topics are discussed, from personal things to politics. As you see, lots of users visit there and post their comments. Therefore, 2ch is filled with different opinions of users even about the issues of Oblivion. Please forgive me for the long preliminary comment that I described in the above. All I mean is that there are various opinions. Especially as for Oblivion-modding in Japan, it may be said that each of modders and players acts according to his/her own criterion even though there are some implicit rules. I admit some modders find it troublesome and annoying that they describe English readme and upload their works here. There are, however, some other modders who wish to share their works here. At least I helped one of them to translate a modder's readme once. I just wish you would understand there are some Japanese modders who are trying to upload their works. Although at present only a few Japanese mods are uploaded here, hopefully the number of those will increase little by little.

 

I made a visit to the thread of this issue in 2ch after I had read Buddah's post here. I saw some users in 2ch discussing the issue constructively. Also, they mentioned Buddah's timely action and appreciated it. Hopefully, everything will get better. As to localization of Japanese mods into English, as Irrlicht already mentioned it, I am also afraid it will be no little time before it is realized. However it sounds great. We Japanese players have been shared lots of creations and ideas here. Now, it is our turn to share ours. Yes, English is difficult for common Japanese people, of whom I am one. However there would be way to explain use of mods if we look for. We can, for example, put image files to good use even though we cannot write English description perfectly. I hope we all will exchange more ideas someday.

 

Lastly, thank you for reading my poor English. I would be glad if I could have expressed anything constructive in the above. As always, I am very thankful to this great website "Nexus" for giving us lots of fun.

 

 

Quistena

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Your english is actually excellent, your command of the language is also quite extensive.

 

Thanks for your kind words, I have followed the discussion on the 2ch forums after this topic was put up there, although the Google translator is a little flawed the discussion was quite positive. I have great respect for those that create and share their work, and have become protective of the wishes of those creators.

 

Hopefully with more communications a better understanding will become a reality.

 

Thanks again.

 

Buddah

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Buddah

 

I must thank you for your kind words. Also, I do know you have been protecting Japanese modders for a long time. I remember you defended Japanese users when an issue arose up in the Bethesda Forum before. I appreciate your kindness and all your hard work to moderate comments here. Thank you very much.

 

As you already know, there is not the very Oblivion community in Japan that many modders and users frequent. Even the largest community "2ch" is just one forum that some of those frequent. It is a shame that we Japanese players often confuse foreign ones due to our chaotic manners. I only hope no friction will occur in future, and I am sure that everything will be getting better little by little.

 

Gratefully,

 

Quistena

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Well, maybe this is too rational and reasonable a solution for some, but why not (as was already suggested) simply remove the files uploaded without permission here, and then put links to their sources? I mean, sure the authors want to keep their work within their community, but if people from here were to join their community, and not re-up the files somewhere else, wouldn't that make everyone happy? (And odds are that anyone from this community that might cause trouble for us at theirs wouldn't be able to figure out how to get in anyway, lol.)

 

Nothing gets uploaded anywhere without permission. Communities get larger, allowing for more creativity, and refinement of ideas. And the talent pools of the various communities involved merge, allowing for exchanges on modding techniques, and possibly content. And finally, everyone's happy.

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OH MY GOD really for all the ppl requesting english just google translate the japanese readmes it's common sense and not that hard.

 

 

That's true, provided that the readme is still in Japanese and hasn't been turned into gibberish code. That's what happened to me when I tried to read the readme for the 2ch version of Beautiful people. This untranslatable gobbledegook is what I got when I opened the files... and I am pretty sure I do have Japanese fonts on my computer. :closedeyes:

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Hello! I'm a Japanese and a webmaster of the fan sites.

 

OH MY GOD really for all the ppl requesting english just google translate the japanese readmes it's common sense and not that hard.

 

I tried using Google for the translation from Japanese to English in order to check the translation accuracy. How was the result?

 

Useless!!

 

I know that is useful in translating English and other Europian languages. But the machine translation have a long and long road to travel in translating between languages which have different language systems (like from Japanese to English).

 

If we write Japanese with considering the English grammar and habits of the machine translation, the translation result will be better. But it is too messy and we should know "the English grammar and habits of the machine translation". Well then, I'll write documents in English myself!!

 

The most of mods which are uploaded by Japanese at the NEXUS have English documents, I think. Is it good enough? If you make some efforts to get mods from non-English comunities, you will be happy. I cannot read Chinese and Korean, same as you. Language systems of Chinese and Japanese and Korean are different from each other (I doubt English speaker people think those languages are same...Some people categorizes those languages as "CJK"). But I have tried to know the mods of Chinese and Korean comunities by some efforts.

 

I never intend to deny non-Jananese people. I know English is international language, too. But, what I want to say is "we should meet halfway". If we have some questions, to ask him/her is good solution. Perhaps he/she can read English. You can use machine translation for translating from English to Japanese(In fact, we can get better result in translating from E to J than from J to E. ). There is the "ROMA-JI", too (the means of expression for japanese by using the alphabet).

And I'm busy and poor English, but you want to know about Japanese mods, I will help you. Of course, I hope you do some efforts yourself before you ask me.

 

By the way, there is an open source Japanese font, "IPA Font". If you install that font, your PC may disply Japanese Language.

 

IPA Font Download

http://ossipedia.ipa.go.jp/ipafont/

 

If you submit the bottom button, you can access download page.

 

We can get Japanese fonts from the website of Microsoft, but it is more easy to get the IPA Font than MS fonts.

 

Sorry for poor English and thank you.

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Irrlicht, Quistena,

 

thank you for your support and for the much needed (at least for me - I'm from Italy of all places) insight in the Japanese Oblivion community.

 

I would also like to thank Buddah for making sure mod authors from Nihon get both the credit and the respect they most certainly deserve: the (officially released) mods I've seen so far, such as Lera and Pizz's work, are breathtakingly beautiful and immersive.

 

:thanks:

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