Thoreai Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 (edited) Sometimes im ashamed i have the same gender as these kids.Its like with each new male generation their minds are more and more degenerated, i wonder where is this going. We do seem to have created a generation with a lot of misogynists, I don't know what's happened, it's quite a recent thing. My better half isn't a gamer at all but thought she'd give Playstation Home a try, I won't go into detail with happened but that was her first and last interaction with online "gaming". I don't understand why Sony and others don't take this issue more seriously, there must be a large number of potential customers out there who won't use their products because of the abuse and perverts.I think its because their parents dont have any time to properly educate them, they are working their butts off so they can feed them and pay bills, they are happy if they have them off the back.They rather buy them some game to make them busy and since most of the games are pretty violent, ego fights everywhere, not to mention the internet being an oase of porn sites, plus the anonymity it offers, everyone playes a hero...no wonder they dont have any values and when they grow up...Sony probably couldnt care less as long as the coins roll. Hey, it's not all young men-just a vocal minority. Unfortunately it's always the minority of jackasses that turn people off a game-ot upset someone into become one of them. I'm liking the TOR community thusfar, though I have to admit the only thing keeping me on Australian servers is low-ping, the community really is aweful.Yeah im avare of that but the way this vocal minority uses all these threats is absolutely sick.I have played Aion for some time and met a nice person there wich was really good in pvp, i wasnt aware that it was a girl playing that character, she was that good.I asked why she said, she is a male, the reason was simple, she was afraid of being harassed, so we kept it a secret.I spent a lot of time laughing behind the backs of these vocal maniacs who never knew who is kicking their butts. Edited April 19, 2012 by pavy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant0 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Ego, ignorance, the fact that most of these players think that only a Man can handle a gun or compete. Played several MMOs with a female character, either by design or aesthetics. From what I've seen, a good portion of how you get treated depends less on the demographics of that MMO, and more on the way the game is setup. On Perfect World, or WoW I would often get random PMs from guys with male characters either trying to hit on me, make me their friend, or get obscenely hostile when I made some mistake when partying with randoms. To the point where I just didn't do the random thing any more. This despite the fact that on PW, my race/class choice was gender specific. On Mabinogi, I would only get the occasional guy trying to hit on me, but none of the hostility since the game's demographic is mostly female, younger-mid male, or older male. But the incidence of "lonely guy" was about as common between an active female elf, as it was for my female human who pretty much did nothing else other than AFK fish. Most hostility I ran into was more related to limited spawns in an area with people yelling at me for screwing up their grinding, but this was about the same regardless of gender. On Anarchy Online, I noticed almost neither outside the obvious noob. But this isn't too surprising since the game has an older demographic and it isn't until later on that people have to party for much. On Champions Online almost nothing since the game can pretty much be soloed so users tend to be less social. A couple others I've played reflect this trend. Generally, the amount of required social interaction between players in the early game, and scarcity of resources has a greater chance to equate to instances of hostility than just demographics. *edit* To make another generalization, I would say that the words used to express this hostility, while linked to genderbased tones, is not necessarily an indicator of misogyny in the traditional sense. Linguistically speaking what is likely happening is that these people, who are upset, are using whatever words or phrases they know, without much thought other than some basic idea of audience. While I have not personally played many VOIP games on PSN or similar, I can acknowledge that trash talking is almost constant from what I have overheard when my brother plays BF3. Some of the expletives he has screamed over the mic (presumably at some other player) would make the ghost of Timothy Leary blush. The difference is that the sorts of things aimed at male players usually doesn't get noticed or recorded as often, or doesn't have as many sexually charged words as those aimed at female players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rennn Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 (edited) Don't include me in the "generation of mysogynists". I have a mic (usually don't use it if the connection is bad, since the static would just ruin everyone's game), I gamed on a PS3 for years without ever starting a flame war (though if I was messaged first, I'd flame back and immediately block them), and now that I game on a PC I still have never hit on someone or played annoying music in the background, or swore someone out of a match or anything like that. I see stuff like this all the time in real life though-- not the quotes themselves, since people aren't anonymous in person, but the attitudes that produce them. Half the guys I know (and therefore the ones I hate), think they literally own their girlfriend and think they're "meant" for raising babies. I can easily imagine those people becoming rampant a****ts if they were given anonymity and died to a girl in COD. Btw, please don't blame this on kids being raised by the internet. I was raised by the internet, mostly, and I'm not one of those people. I think it has more to do with people being taught to fear punishment instead of having actual morality. Fear of punishment doesn't make someone moral, and as soon as they're anonymous, when they have no fear of punishment, they have nothing to regulate their behavior. Edited April 20, 2012 by Rennn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iv000 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 This site reminds me of why I don't have a console, a lot of immature children that have nothing better to do then insult you if you aren't like them or have a different opinion on anything (I realize not all are like that, but a lot are). dont act like its only console. ive seen tons of talk like that on PC on games like CoD and BC2 and LoL and most definitely WoW Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not on any side here.The PC has also his fair share of idiots as well. Oh, how many times people said that I was a hacker on BC2 and the response to every damn thing I did was "Noob" or far worse I just wanted to say that I don't need to hear this from 2 places. Heaving immature people on the PC is enough, I don't want to deal with them on consoles as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RitualBlack Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 The age group of people that act this way seems to be somewhere in the bracket of early 20's and younger. I can't believe some of the sentences I hear from people, so it is not just in games people speak this way, though being behind a monitor/t.v. probably brings out the worst in some people. With online interaction I completely avoided Xbox live. No way I am paying any amount of money to listen to kids curse and insult people at any given moment. Even games like TF2 on PC tend to get bad at times. The really poor choice of words often heard online isn't limited to ones virtual life. There are times at my college/on the shuttle home where people ability speak properly hurts my head. It is not uncommon for today's youth (unfortunately my generation) to use profanity as an adjective or use the word 'like' as a vocabulary booster. There have been some unforgettable cases which rise well above others. I remember on one shuttle ride home there was a woman who was probably 'liking' at 60 likes/minute, and this went on for a good 10-15 minutes. Needless to say it was a painful trip home and I have no idea how anyone could retain a word she actually spoke because the word was used so frequently that it became extremely destructive to the flow of the words. Once in a while I also hear a sentence where 20% of words are swearing, though it is usually from the male demographic. I am not offended by it and can understand the use of these words once in a while, but there should be a limit. While on the computer playing games I do once in a while see males either white knighting (which can get really creepy) or insulting female players, normally the insults come first, than the knights arrive :laugh: . People choice of vocabulary isn't that different between real life and online, but some of the posts on the site you linked definitely point out differences in behaviour. I wonder what people who do those things are thinking :no: . At what given time is it fine to openly insult people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iv000 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 I wonder what people who do those things are thinking :no: Oh oh oh! Let me guess!Nothing. They're just saying what they want to say without thinking about it. And I also agree with the rest of your post. I absolutely hate it when people are swearing for no reason, especially my best friend. When I tell him to stop swearing so often, he then continues to swear even more to annoy me. Is saying "Sorry" that difficult?I honestly don't know what's wrong with my generation. It's not even just the guys, the girls do it too! If you're not swearing, smoking and drinking alcohol, you're not cool. And being "cool" is the most important thing of my generation it seems... forget reason, tolerance and empathy, if you can drink a liter of Vodka then you're awesome. Why is it that difficult to find a normal person to talk to these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gracinfields Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Its likely due to the fact that most normal people these days use an out of game VOIP like Teamspeak, Ventrillo, Mumble, or even Skype to communicate. I actually have ts3 and vent running most of the time as friends use ts3 and the SWTOR clan I am in uses vent, and the clan I run with in BF3 uses vent; infact the BF3 clan runs two vent servers a public one and a private clan one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eltucu Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Common stuff. In the internet, every male gamer is a virgin, every hacker is a basement dwelling nerd and every female gamer is fat and/or a lesbian. Ah, and i forgot, every single one CoD player (yep, that one too) is a 12 year old kid. : / Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LannaKurylenko Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 http://fatuglyorslutty.com/wp-content/uploads/HELLBOYY_97.jpg "u work at sum star wars place" I read that and laughed. Honestly, that sounds like a compliment.Where does one get this star wars place job I would like to know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyro Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Yeah, I was really surprised about this sort of thing. I've never actually played Xbox Live, but I watched and "listened" to my brother playing it. All the people who talk in CoD sounded like they were younger than eleven, and the language they use is disgusting. I've never really been a swearer, and I can tolerate it, but some of the things they would say just because someone killed them is demeaning. It really sounds stupid when a kid says "**** you, you stupid ****" when my brother knifed him. Makes me sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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