textures in diamond city disappearing/reappearing?

[slugger255]

Hey, so ive been running into this problem where textures in (primarily) diamond city and a few other areas will disappear and reappear at random (the object is still there, just invisible), and it makes it very difficult to walk around diamond city. Ive read on this issue with other people, and most point to either scrapping mods (which i dont build anything really so i dont use scrapping mods and the building mods i do have, i dont really use) or mods relating to texture replacements in places like diamond city. I was hoping that i could post my mod list and someone could look over it and give their opinions on which mod(s) might have conflicting textures that is causing this disappearing issue. Thanks!

 

 

0 0 Fallout4.esm

1 1 ArmorKeywords.esm

2 2 ConcealedArmor.esm

3 3 Homemaker.esm

4 4 SimSettlements.esm

5 5 TrueStormsFO4.esm

6 6 WeightlessMods.esp

7 7 Armorsmith Extended.esp

8 8 ChineseStealthSuit.esp

9 9 ConcealedArmor.esp

10 a K9TacticalHarness.esp

11 b FOC_NCR_Armors.esp

12 c Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul.esp

13 d Quieter Settlements - Vanilla.esp

14 e Quieter Settlements - Wasteland Workshop.esp

15 f Quieter Settlements - Contraptions.esp

16 10 WOTC.esp

17 11 BTInteriors_Project.esp

18 12 WeightlessJunk.esp

19 13 MojaveImports.esp

20 14 Remove Interior Fog.esp

21 15 Stm_DiamondCityExpansion.esp

22 16 Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp

23 17 WestTekTacticalOptics.esp

24 18 EasyLockpicking.esp

25 19 EFF.esp

26 1a Companion Infinite Ammo.esp

27 1b EveryonesBestFriend.esp

28 1c CraftableAmmo_plus.esp

29 1d CraftableAmmo.esp

30 1e Craftable Armor Size - Fix Material Requirements.esp

31 1f Craftable Armor Size.esp

32 20 BetterJunkFences.esp

33 21 D.E.C.A.Y.esp

34 22 Radiant Clouds and Fogs.esp

35 23 Vivid Fallout - All in One - Best Choice.esp

36 24 SlowTime.esp

37 25 CarryWeight500.esp

38 26 CarryWeight50Strength.esp

39 27 EasyHacking.esp

40 28 Faster Terminal Displays (20x).esp

41 29 Live Dismemberment - Mental.esp

42 2a Live Dismemberment - Mind-Blowing.esp

43 2b Live Dismemberment - POSTAL.esp

44 2c Live Dismemberment - Brutal.esp

45 2d Live Dismemberment - Insane-o.esp

46 2e Live Dismemberment - Liebermode.esp

47 2f Live Dismemberment - Regular.esp

48 30 NoNegativeAffinityNof*#@s.esp

49 31 NoAffinityCooldown.esp

50 32 VisibleWeapons.esp

51 33 WeightlessAid.esp

52 34 Grasslands - Healthy.esp

53 35 My_Minutemen.esp

54 36 WeightlessSpecialAmmo.esp

55 37 ImmersiveVendors.esp

56 38 dD-Enhanced Blood Basic.esp

57 39 dD - Screen Blood Duration Medium.esp

58 3a EAMR.esp

59 3b The Eyes Of Beauty.esp

60 3c Eli_Rockin Red Rocket.esp

61 3d Mercenary.esp

62 3e BetterSettlers.esp

63 3f BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp

64 40 Homemaker - Streetlights Use Passive Power.esp

65 41 SkjAlert_All_DLC.esp

66 42 More Where That Came From Diamond City.esp

67 43 CROSS_GoreCrits.esp

68 44 CROSS_GoreCrits_FarHarborPatch.esp

69 45 DarkerNights.esp

70 46 DarkerNightsDetection.esp

71 47 Fr4nssonsLightTweaks.esp

72 48 Remove Interior Fog - Wasteland Workshop.esp

73 49 Remove Interior Fog - Automatron.esp

74 4a Remove Interior Fog - Contraptions Workshop.esp

75 4b Remove Interior Fog - Far Harbor.esp

76 4c Remove Interior Fog - Nuka Wolrd.esp

77 4d Remove Interior Fog - Vault-Tec Workshop.esp

78 4e DOOMMerged.esp

79 4f mk14.esp

80 50 Rangergearnew.esp

81 51 ClassicSniper.esp

82 52 AK74M.esp

83 53 DPAssaultCarbine.esp

84 54 Crossbow.esp

85 55 P220.esp

86 56 SCAR-L.esp

87 57 Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp

88 58 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

89 59 Extended weapon mods.esp

90 5a m82a.esp

91 5b RU556.esp

92 5c 3dscopes.esp

93 5d 3dscopes-AddToSpawnList.esp

94 5e 3dscopes-framework.esp

95 5f M14.esp

96 60 M2216.esp

97 61 TrueStormsFO4-GlowingSeaExtraRads.esp

98 62 TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsets.esp

99 63 MMNCRall.esp

100 64 StartMeUp.esp

P.S. After posting my load order, i noticed i didnt have the "unofficial F4 patch" mod, which i placed underneath TrueStormsFO4 (where number 6 would be)

Edited April 2, 2018 by slugger255

[bbiller]

One thing to look at is where you have the scope framework. Any mod that can use that needs to have it loaded first.

 

The general plugin order guide on bethesda.net should also be of help to you and exporting and importing the order as a text file will make moving mods easier. Also lines with a # will be ignored, so that can help with moving things around to where they need to be.

 

Keep in mind NMM has a habbit of losing the virtual links, so BA2 files don't always end up in the data folder like they should, so do check your mod pile for those (textures can be missing because of that).

[slugger255]

@bbiller, I use LOOT (load order optimization tool) to sort my plugins and mods, as im not exactly sure how they should be loaded, and i just hope that LOOT can sort that out..

[JimmyRJump]

...()...Keep in mind NMM has a habbit of losing the virtual links, so BA2 files don't always end up in the data folder like they should, so do check your mod pile for those (textures can be missing because of that).

Most of the issues concerning BA2 files weren't caused by NMM but by whatever operating system people are using. Sounds strange, but no two operating systems are alike with different updates and installed programs. I myself have never had an issue with whatever version of NMM and its use of BA2 files.

 

Maybe there were NMM versions which didn't like BA2 files that much -and I certainly haven't tried every single NMM release- but turning this into "a habit" is seriously exaggerated, especially with the latest versions (v0.64 and up).

 

@Slugger:

 

The UFO4P NEEDS to be sitting right undrneath the last of the DLC entries. Add a mod in-between and your game will have a tendency to crash.

 

What you are describing sounds a lot like LOD-flicker, caused by pre-culling. Have a look at the No More Disappearing Act mod that was made to counter the flicker. Should work in most exterior areas. Doesn't work for interiors. Must be loaded very last to work properly. Fastest way to do that is re-install the mod after letting LOOT sort things, since LOOT has the habit of placing the NMDA mod way higher up the load ladder.

[phonix420]

You are using Diamond City expansion, which edits the Diamond City worldspace. It is loaded very early in your load order and should be loaded almost dead last as stated on the mod author's page.

Also I see a few other errors in your load order that will definitely cause you issues.

 

72 48 Remove Interior Fog - Wasteland Workshop.esp

73 49 Remove Interior Fog - Automatron.esp

74 4a Remove Interior Fog - Contraptions Workshop.esp

75 4b Remove Interior Fog - Far Harbor.esp

76 4c Remove Interior Fog - Nuka Wolrd.esp

77 4d Remove Interior Fog - Vault-Tec Workshop.esp

You downloaded the version of Remove Interior Fog which contains all 7 esps for all DLC's. If you have all DLC's you need to download the All-In-One which is just a single ESP.

 

 

41 29 Live Dismemberment - Mental.esp

42 2a Live Dismemberment - Mind-Blowing.esp

43 2b Live Dismemberment - POSTAL.esp

44 2c Live Dismemberment - Brutal.esp

45 2d Live Dismemberment - Insane-o.esp

46 2e Live Dismemberment - Liebermode.esp

47 2f Live Dismemberment - Regular.esp

Here you have a similar problem, you only need one of these, so choose one and delete or disable the other 6.

13 d Quieter Settlements - Vanilla.esp

14 e Quieter Settlements - Wasteland Workshop.esp

15 f Quieter Settlements - Contraptions.esp

 

I would recommend using the All-in-one with recommended settings ESP for this mod

 

30 1e Craftable Armor Size - Fix Material Requirements.esp

31 1f Craftable Armor Size.esp

The order of these should be swapped. Generally patches for mods should always come after the mod they change.


Congrats you just fixed your Diamond City issue and saved yourself 13 mod slots and potential game breakage.

The rest is okayyyy I think you'll get by with it but it needs some tidying. Doesn't look like you have much that edits the Leveled Lists but if you do you should consider making a Bashed Patch to make everything nice and compatible.

Edited April 3, 2018 by phonix420

[slugger255]

nice, im gonna apply these fixes stated above and do a test run. Thanks guys!

[JimmyRJump]

Whle it is true that using all-in-one plug-ins saves mod real-estate, it won't solve any issues as the separate esps work as good as the all-in-ones. All-in-ones aren't made because they work better (sometimes they have errors the single plugs don't have, depending on how complicated the mods are) but to save plug-in space...

[slugger255]

So after fiddling with the load order, it doesnt appear any of the clipping has gone away. Things in diamond city still disappearing/reappearing at random. Heres my new load order, post-yesterday's update (so everything is just about outdated anyways, or at least F4SE is):

 

0 0 Fallout4.esm

1 1 Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp

2 2 ArmorKeywords.esm

3 3 ConcealedArmor.esm

4 4 Homemaker.esm

5 5 SimSettlements.esm

6 6 TrueStormsFO4.esm

7 7 WeightlessMods.esp

8 8 Armorsmith Extended.esp

9 9 ChineseStealthSuit.esp

10 a ConcealedArmor.esp

11 b K9TacticalHarness.esp

12 c FOC_NCR_Armors.esp

13 d Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul.esp

14 e Quieter Settlements - Vanilla.esp

Quieter Settlements - Wasteland Workshop.esp

Quieter Settlements - Contraptions.esp

15 f WOTC.esp

16 10 BTInteriors_Project.esp

17 11 WeightlessJunk.esp

18 12 MojaveImports.esp

19 13 WestTekTacticalOptics.esp

20 14 EasyLockpicking.esp

21 15 EFF.esp

22 16 Companion Infinite Ammo.esp

23 17 CraftableAmmo.esp

24 18 CraftableAmmo_plus.esp

25 19 Craftable Armor Size.esp

26 1a Craftable Armor Size - Fix Material Requirements.esp

27 1b BetterJunkFences.esp

28 1c Radiant Clouds and Fogs.esp

29 1d Vivid Fallout - All in One - Best Choice.esp

30 1e SlowTime.esp

31 1f CarryWeight500.esp

32 20 CarryWeight50Strength.esp

33 21 EasyHacking.esp

34 22 Faster Terminal Displays (20x).esp

Live Dismemberment - Mental.esp

Live Dismemberment - Mind-Blowing.esp

Live Dismemberment - POSTAL.esp

35 23 Live Dismemberment - Brutal.esp

Live Dismemberment - Insane-o.esp

Live Dismemberment - Liebermode.esp

Live Dismemberment - Regular.esp

36 24 NoNegativeAffinityNof*#@s.esp

37 25 NoAffinityCooldown.esp

38 26 WeightlessAid.esp

39 27 Grasslands - Healthy.esp

40 28 ImmersiveVendors.esp

41 29 dD-Enhanced Blood Basic.esp

42 2a dD - Screen Blood Duration Medium.esp

43 2b EAMR.esp

44 2c The Eyes Of Beauty.esp

45 2d BetterSettlers.esp

46 2e BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp

47 2f Homemaker - Streetlights Use Passive Power.esp

48 30 SkjAlert_All_DLC.esp

49 31 More Where That Came From Diamond City.esp

50 32 CROSS_GoreCrits.esp

CROSS_GoreCrits_FarHarborPatch.esp

51 33 DarkerNights.esp

52 34 DarkerNightsDetection.esp

53 35 Fr4nssonsLightTweaks.esp

54 36 CombatZoneRestored.esp

55 37 Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp

56 38 Eli_Rockin Red Rocket.esp

57 39 Mercenary.esp

58 3a DOOMMerged.esp

59 3b mk14.esp

60 3c Rangergearnew.esp

61 3d ClassicSniper.esp

62 3e AK74M.esp

63 3f DPAssaultCarbine.esp

64 40 Crossbow.esp

65 41 P220.esp

66 42 SCAR-L.esp

67 43 Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp

68 44 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

69 45 Extended weapon mods.esp

70 46 m82a.esp

71 47 RU556.esp

72 48 3dscopes.esp

73 49 3dscopes-AddToSpawnList.esp

74 4a 3dscopes-framework.esp

75 4b M14.esp

76 4c M2216.esp

77 4d TrueStormsFO4-GlowingSeaExtraRads.esp

78 4e TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsets.esp

79 4f InstitutePowerArmor.esp

80 50 PowerArmorMoreMods.esp

81 51 Arbitration - Recommended Core.esp

82 52 D.E.C.A.Y.esp

83 53 My_Minutemen.esp

84 54 WeightlessSpecialAmmo.esp

85 55 MMNCRall.esp

86 56 Arbitration - Survival Damage by Player 2x.esp

87 57 Arbitration - Survival Damage to Player 5x.esp

88 58 Arbitration - Sneak Detection Distance Increase (Half).esp

89 59 Arbitration - Increased Walk Speed.esp

90 5a Arbitration - Speed Uninstaller (Remove This and Save).esp

91 5b StartMeUp.esp

92 5c Stm_DiamondCityExpansion.esp

93 5d FQ_NoMoreLODFlicker.esp

[JimmyRJump]

I guess Diamond City is seen as an interior space and as such the No More Disappearing Act fix doesn't work there. Mods like Mojave Import and Beantown Interiors have been known to cause issues in some areas, but I've never come across subjects concerning Diamond City problems...

 

The only other possibility I see is the Diamond City Expansion mod since it's the only one that changes the DC environment.

[slugger255]

yeah, i just disabled the diamond city expansion mod and the flickering is gone. A shame, i wanted to see what was added, but im way happier with a city i can actually walk in than one thats halfway gone. Thanks!