Negitive comments on mods

[Tamujiin]

Im going to say it like this, how many people have left the modding scene because of negative comment? What to you is the point of posting a comment that provides no feedback, like this "this mod sucks".

 

Wouldnt it be more wise to leave the negative BS to yourself, and provide a form of "positive feed back", instead of saying "this mod sucks", you could say, this mod doesnt work for me because <state problem here>.?

 

a lot of flamers and trolls ruin a good thing for people that at least try! I say to the flamers and trolls, Get some cohonies, and leave the negative crap to yourself, expecially if you frequent places like this, because, your intelligence shows through.

 

If someone shares there work, and you post a negative comment on there work, i dare you to make a mod yourself, i dont dare you, i challange you, to earn the right to post a negative comment.

 

I placed this here in the debate section, because this "can be debatable". And i would love to debate it with a few mature individuals.

negative comments are detrimental do the Nexus, in no way do i see it at all in anyway benificial to the community. IMO if i see something that sucks, i move on without commenting and let the numbers do the talking. i have come across mods that have had 200,000 downloads, and i think they were not good. But i didnt leave a comment. Because it could cause the mod author to Quit. And who is anybody, to make someone quit doing what they want to do?

 

Lets Debate!

[HeyYou]

Folks that post things of that nature don't last long here...... Given that the staff seems very sensitive about just what constitutes "trolling", as opposed to constructive criticism, I refrain from the practice completely...... I like my account here, and would rather like to keep it....

 

For the mods that I have responsibility for here, on one, I accidentally disabled comments..... that was just a minor update to another mod though, that I was working on with another member..... and was requested by a selection of folks on the Beth forums.

 

The other mod that I deal with here, it just hasn't been a problem. I LOVE to read the folks that get the mod working, and then thoroughly enjoy it. I don't recall any truly trollish comments on there.... maybe someone else saw them first, and made them go away, or, maybe I just don't take it as personally as some of the other folks that upload their mods.

 

Basically, if you upload something, there IS going to be folks that don't like it. 99% of those folks will just move on to some other mod. The 1% minority, however...... will post something stupid, get banned, piss off a modder, and possibly cause them to NOT upload anything else, and/or take down any/all of their mods currently up. If yes gonna upload something, better be prepared for the trolls to come out, 'cause, quite frankly, they will.

[Nintii]

Quite honestly i was under the impression that if you're goin g to pan (talk down, bring down) a Mod you're going straight out of the door ... to me this is quite a surprise that people still do this ... so they won't last long.

But I reckon it could be a real problem if you have modders putting down other modders ... what to do now ?

 

I have used the simplest of mods that can be found and they have worked for me ... so respect :thumbsup:

Edited April 23, 2012 by Nintii

[grannywils]

I agree that saying something like, "this mod sucks" is totally non-productive, and just plain rude and immature. However, I see nothing wrong with making a polite and positive suggestion for an improvement or a request for something that would make the mod work better if it is not working properly in your game. I have noted that many modders actually request that you let them know if something does not work well. I try to make a habit of giving postive comments wherever possible, as I admire the work of all the modders and so much wish that I had the talent and the abilities that they do.

[Tamujiin]

I share your view on positive feedback granny, i would prefer, if it was my mod, that it was sent to me in a personal message though.

My reasoning behind wanting to debate this, is to give mod authors a resource to read, and a way to deal with negative comments.

"this mod sucks" was just an example.

 

I guess we could include negative comments on anything, including image shares. As, i have seen on numerous occasions, that even in an image share, "well, i dont really like this image because she/he wears that armor" or whatever, is just plain rude.

 

i would rather enjoy a comment that states, "i do not like this mod because that armor makes the whole thing look tacky, try another armor if you can". I guess you could consider, some people forget you cannot convey feelings in 1 or 2 sentances, and expect to come off nice. IMO i would give "positive feedback" in at least 5 sentances explaining why. And end it with apprecitation for at least trying, thats what a community, a good healthy community does. IMO....

[McclaudEagle]

I don't mean to be rude or anything, but if a modder decides to leave simply because they have some negative comments made about their mod, then they need to just toughen up and deal with it properly. Every time I upload a mod, I do it with the expectation that I'll get some negative comments from time to time. This means I won't be disappointed when I do get them, but feel better when I don't. If some guy puts "Oh, this mod sucks badly" in a comment, acknowledge that he's the idiot here, not you and just move on.

 

However, I don't understand why people can't simply be more civilized and respectful. I actually don't mind receiving negative comments, so long as they are constructive. If they are constructive, then that helps me think about changes, fixes, etc. If I come across a negative comment that is non-constructive, then I'll simply hit the report button and carry on with my day just as happy as I started it.

[dazzerfong]

@ McclaudEagle:

 

It's a lot worse than what you're describing a lot of the times, you know? Saying to someone 'toughen up' is similar to saying to someone to 'toughen up' after getting beat up.

[Vindekarr]

When someone attacks something you've worked very hard on, it's extremely demoralising and disheartening. I have no mods uploaded here but used to make them. I stopped after a teeming horde of religious fanatics decided to attack my page for "spreading sinful filth" If people don't want mods, they aren't going to get them. Modders should not need to toughen up, rather, the ingrateful people who cannot provide reasoned or reasonable criticism, need to grow up. Edited April 24, 2012 by Vindekarr

[Tamujiin]

Mclaudeagle has a good point, i would say it like this though, Mod authors, need to be aware that out there, in the world there is going to be someone who cant get the mod to work, or just plain doesn't like it. Therefore it will result in a non positive response, sometimes.

 

Dazzerfong also has a good point, some folks take deep pride in there work, and telling them to toughen up, because of a negative comment is well, pointless. The thing that sucks about the interwebs :) is that nobody knows anybody on a personal level. Therefore it creates an atmosphere where those who choose to act like idiots, do so, freely at there own will. The good thing about the nexus is, the staff, and the way they run it "as i see it" run it fair, and run it to where the site is in the right. I have observed many conversations and threads dealing with staff, and i have to say the staff here shows great wisdom. A very talented group of individuals. They kick out the bad apples, as soon as possible.

 

As in real life there are rules to be followed here, to protect the staff, to protect the community members, and most importantly YOU the contributors of mods. Its sad to see people pull there mods and leave solely on some idiots comments. I pride myself as being a part of this community, because well its an awesome hobby. And i say to the mod authors that get unfriendly or idiotic comments, forget about that person, with that kind of attitude they are not going to be around long anyway. Take pride in your work, know that you will get idiotic comments, and know if you report it, the staff WILL take care of it. If you get trolled, or flamed, think about this: That person 99% of the time, probably doesnt know anything about making a mod. I thank all the mod authors who contribute to the site, as a member, you fullfill an excellent hobby of mine. And soon i hope to join the ranks of mod author. Thank you and good day :P

[Lisnpuppy]

I think where some folks end up crossing the line on this one....either a little bit or a great deal across...is where criticism of the mod and how it works or doesn't and their personal opinion regarding a mod are confused. That being said discussing a way a mod can work better is sometimes a subjective thing, especially on things like quest mods and large-scale overhauls, etc. If the statement is given in a nice way and is trying to be helpful, it is typically taken in the same way by everyone.

 

Its usually armor, weapons and clothing mods that will get the folks sent out the door. The "this suxs" is an issue. Many issues of just pure dislike from lore standpoints or the provocative nature of the outfits will enrage folks to an unbelievable degree. The rule is, if you don't like it then just pass it by. People seem to go out of their way to post comments on mods they would never use and even (in the case of skimpy things and other adult mods) thing to which they have moral objections (so why are they looking at them? Hmmm.) These are the folks that if reported will go quickly out the door. This community is largely self-policing and it does it very well through the report feature. We are unable to see every comment made on every file...there are simply too many. However when we do see them and we get a great many reports...they are handled in the appropriate way. We try to give mod authors a safe and nice place to share their mods. However even the modders are human.

 

Sometimes...rarely though...even the nicest constructive criticism can cause a poor reaction from a mod author. As Vindekarr said, when you work on something so hard and so long your heart is in it and it may be difficult to accept criticism of any kind. Occasionally a mod author will just get to the end of their rope and engage in a tit-for-tat with someone in a comments thread. Mod author's are under the same rules as anyone and these things also get addressed. However each situation is different and so each case must be handled within its own context.

 

There will always be folks that do not follow the rules, troll and generally make an arse of themselves. The best way to handle this is to click on that lovely report button and let the moderator team handle it. Its why we get the big bucks *cough*. :thumbsup: