Our Earth Invading the DC Wastelands

[Maharg67]

What is a large, well organized, well supported and sophisticated invading force of land, sea and air capacity came from our world, went to the DC Wastelands, and invaded from the Eastern Coast from a large battle fleet of aircraft carriers, battle carriers, troopships, freighters, helicopter carriers, submarines and other vessels? Technologies would include remote controlled drones, amphibious landing craft and bigger vessels of the type, subsonic jumpjets, supersonic multirole supersonic jets, battletanks, modern automatic weapons of many kinds, missile launchers, special kevlar body-armour suits and even some basic wheeled robots along with deadly MREs.

 

Just how many soldiers, sappers, and others would it take to invade and properly occupy the DC Wastelands?

 

What sort of special equipment and supplies might be especially needed?

 

Why would the invasion be undertaken? One viable answer is the technological secrets of the DC Wastelands from atomic sedans to robots, energy weapons, androids and more. Another is exotic genetic materials and samples of the Forced Evolutionary Virus for biotech research and development. That is the answer is greed, power and perhaps the ability to deal with enemies on the home world or even to conquer that whole world.

[marharth]

A real life force wouldn't have much of a problem at all.

 

It seems close to impossible for a real life army to lose in this situation. The entire enclave and BOS forces in the capital wasteland aren't even close to that of a modern day army. Mutated animals don't really stand a chance to a army with modern day firearms and explosives. General wastelands are untrained and won't be much threat at all. Super mutants not as big in numbers as the BOS or enclave, and could be shot just the same. If you also throw in the air forces and battle tanks, there is no chance at all considering the only air vehicles are for transport and not high speed combat.

Edited May 1, 2012 by marharth

[Nintii]

Ok, imagine for a moment that the "DC Wastelands" are a reality on a parrallel world ... and we find a way to "cross the divide" ... we would be able to eliminate any threat from any group.

 

Firstly, we would use their technology to either improve or manufacture any "Radaway or Radx" to be able to effectively penetrate and occupy any part of the Wasteland be it DC or otherwise ... our firepower would not be weaker than theirs except of course that they have nuke launchers ... it is here that we would face a serious threat, and here only.

 

The "factions" would be "easy peasy" to quote a well known chef and in the words of Chef Ramsey they would be ................... !

Edited May 1, 2012 by Nintii

[marharth]

The "nuke launchers" aren't exactly common. Wouldn't even consider those a threat.

[Maharg67]

I do not think any victory would be so easy because of the brutal and strange nature of the environment. The Wastelanders are very tough and have special knowledge of their strange environment. They have survived a terrible cataclysm and 200 years of very brutal conditions since. Even average Wastelanders have had to deal with such as deathclaws and fire spitting giant ants not to mention raiders and such as the Talon Mercenaries.

 

When it comes to conventional warfare any invasion force would have no real difficulties but the Wastelanders, especially such as the Enclave or the Brotherhood of Steel, would soon turn out to be very dangerous guerrilla fighters, hitting hard fast and then vanishing back into the Wastelands.

 

I also get a strong impression that Wastelanders have gained gained increased resistance against the Wastelands high radiation and toxins of the Wastelands that any invading soldiers would not have. Also what of the Forced Evolutionary Virus? Would the virus still be out there for invading soldiers to get? Have the Wastelanders gained any resistance to the FEV?

 

The real problems would not come with the initial conquest but in keeping firm control of territories, in the vulnerability of supply lines, in the morale problems of occupying troops and in many other forms. The Wastelanders would be used to a dangerous, precarious existence but how many of the invaders would be? Also the Wastelanders would be fighting for their homes, their peoples, would most likely figure they had no choice but to fight to the end.

 

If the invaders really wanted to win, in the longer term, they would need to use both the 'carrot and the stick', to 'win the hearts and minds of the Wastelanders' by giving assistance in many forms, in dealing with the slavers and other threats, with proving that it is worth having them around. The invaders might even form alliances with some factions based on strong treaties. For instance setting up plants to serve purified water not just to the invaders but to local people, helping with medical services, helping to upgrade settlements in various ways, fighting the raiders alongside some factions etc.

[marharth]

But they have a airforce. They could just scout out enemy locations with planes and do bombing runs. They could take over the wasteland without any ground troops considering no one would have any method to fight air vehicles.

[HeyYou]

But they have a airforce. They could just scout out enemy locations with planes and do bombing runs. They could take over the wasteland without any ground troops considering no one would have any method to fight air vehicles.

 

You can take territory with air power, but, to HOLD it, you need boots on the ground.

[Nintii]

@ marharth ... you're obviously welcome to your opinion, but as far as I'm concerned any "nuclear" device is a serious threat anywhere and always, *ahem* Chernobyl and Fukushima as examples and they were only spills, just imagine an explosion ... very very big difference.

 

The little puffs of smoke and flames that you see in FO3 are comical, even the blast that levels Megaton is nowhere near the devastation of a real nuke.

 

@ Marharg67 ... yes, I'll give you the fact that people who are familiar with their territory are always going to have the upper hand ... but that is also time related until the next bunch settles in.

So if I was a wastelander I'd blow the canoodles out of any invading force ASAP.

Edited May 1, 2012 by Nintii

[marharth]

But they have a airforce. They could just scout out enemy locations with planes and do bombing runs. They could take over the wasteland without any ground troops considering no one would have any method to fight air vehicles.

 

You can take territory with air power, but, to HOLD it, you need boots on the ground.

Yes, but it won't be too hard to hold it when the enemy is completely destroyed.

 

Also are we talking about real life physics or fallout physics? If we are talking about real life physics multiple things in the fallout world couldn't even exist. I was assuming we were going by fallout physics, where mini nukes are possible and you can create super mutants and other mutated creatures.

[Maharg67]

People fight wars, win or lose wars, not weapons.

 

I still remain skeptical that any such invasion would win easily. Using nuclear weapons, especially with already existing problems with so much destruction having taken place already, would be counter productive. Overwhelming fire power is only effective under given conditions such as conventional warfare between forces that are fighting each other in the same fashion. Radiation interferes with hitech. Very sophisticated weapon systems are often not effective against non conventional warfare targets.

 

I have studied military history, have also studied the social, political, economic aspects of warfare. I have studied modern guerrilla warfare. The Soviet Union in Afghanistan, the USA in Vietnam, the French in Algeria etc. all had big problems dealing with unconventional fighting enemies with more conventional military forces and weapons. It has nothing to do with nationality or political biases but has everything to do with the approach to war, to a particular war, that is taken by both invaders and defenders.