l0new0lf331 Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 When I am out walking through the exterior world when ever I enter a new cell (I think that's what it is) I encounter some brief freezes and stutters. When I googled it I couldn't find anything definite to what causes it to try and narrow down the problem.I am running the game on Medium settings. Other than the freezes/stutters on cell load and the random CTD here and there I get a fairly consistant 60 FPS (down to the Mid 40's in the City at times).I have my uGridsToLoad=7 and my uExterior Cell Buffer=144 (<--the cell buffer was a suggestion I stumbled upon that didn't fix it but reduced it considerably. I read back in the Skyrim days that it should be 64 for a uGridsToLoad=7-----7+1=8.......8*8= 64).I am only running 2k textures, Vivid Fallout and a few others. I already have the Texture Optimization Project.Shadowboost wasn't updated last I checked so I am running shadow distance low (3000).My EnBoost ini: [PROXY]EnableProxyLibrary=falseInitProxyFunctions=trueProxyLibrary=[GLOBAL]ApplyStabilityPatch=trueUsePatchSpeedhackWithoutGraphics=true[MEMORY]ForceVideoMemorySize=trueVideoMemorySizeMb=8192[ENGINE]ForceVSync=falseVSyncSkipNumFrames=0[LIMITER]EnableFPSLimit=falseFPSLimit=61.0[iNPUT]KeyCombination=16KeyUseEffect=123KeyFPSLimit=36KeyShowFPS=106KeyScreenshot=44KeyEditor=13[FIX]DisableFakeLights=true My game is modded with 185 plugins. The random CTDs I almost got rid of by using FO4Edit and making manual adjustments to my load order. Most of the conflicts I have are the overrides that I want to appear in game since I don't know FO4Edit well enough to make the changes to the esps themselves. The other conflicts are things I don't think I should mess with like Scrap Everything. 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Homemaker Patch.espPlatinumCurieV2.1.espDeeper Thoughts - Expressive Curie.espPower Conduits and Pylons Overhaul.espDiamondCityAutoClose.espIcebreakerCDO-Settlements.espIcebreakerCDO-Piper.espOSHA_Signs.espLore Friendly Posters.espSpotlightFix-200.espSwitchboxGenerator 30.espSkjAlert_All_DLC.espDecentElevators.espFixed Alpha Map.espRusty Face Fix.esp[777] Sanctuary - Reworked Roads.espBuild High - Expanded Settlements.espBuild High - Builder's Patch.espHZS NavMesh Fixer.espMultiple Floors Sandboxing.espEnhancedLightsandFX.espInteriorsEnhanced-All-In-One.espScrapDeadThings.espScrap Everything - Ultimate Edition.espLooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp I'm going to have to put LooksMenu Compendium back where it was before. ( I got the brown face bug and reinstalling LooksMenu and LooksMenu Compendium is what fixed it for me) If anyone can help me narrow down the cause of this I would greatly appreciate it. Thank You Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyRJump Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Nothing that can be done. It's inherent to the bad optimisation due to a very sloppy porting to PC. UgridsToLoad should have remained at five. Now that you set it to seven, best leave it that way to avoid further problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jones177 Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Hi I got freezes and stutters when I put my game on a hard drive. The burst reads were too slow. I tested with a new character save & found that the game was fine up until level 20. After that it slowly deteriorated and by level 30 was unplayable. At the time my computer was not weak. It had a i7 6700k desktop CPU with 2 x GTX 980 tis. Tha Hard drive I tested with was the fastest 7200rpm(5tb WD Black) drive you could buy at the time. I fixed the problem by replacing the hard drive with a 1tb SSD. JimmyRjump is right. This is not the game you bump up the uGridsToLoad & expect good performance. I also agree that you are stuck with it until you start a new character save. Later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l0new0lf331 Posted June 2, 2018 Author Share Posted June 2, 2018 It was just as bad with the uGridsToLOad=5. Putting it at 7 helped a bit and setting the cell buffer to 144 reduced it considerably. Sadly I cannot put the game on my SSD. Was just wondering if anyone founds what causes this so I can fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyMi Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 It was just as bad with the uGridsToLOad=5. Putting it at 7 helped a bit and setting the cell buffer to 144 reduced it considerably. Sadly I cannot put the game on my SSD. Was just wondering if anyone founds what causes this so I can fix it. Well as above, the port is rly bad, but keep in mind (according to your sig) you only have 3gb vram and a lot 2k and 4k texture overhaul mods.Try to run the game without 4k texture mods and also worth a try tweaks with bethini and the nvidia control panel, to squeez out few extra fps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algabar Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 As JimmyRJump already said: (Almost) nothing you can do about it. Those stutters and minifreezes are a "feature" of the Creation Engine. The moment you begin heavily modding your game, the stutters start. It's been that way in "Oldrim", it's that way in Skyrim SE and in Fallout 4, too. Playing from an SSD helps a lot, but at least for me it only reduced the loading stutter, it didn't make it go away completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sopmac45 Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 I concur with everything said. I am playing only with 85 mods and my rig is : Nvidia 1070 8gb, 16gb RAM, SSD, i7-6700 and ... ALL my game ( icon ) menu display settings are : 2560x1440, SSAO = off, godrays = off, Motion blur = off, Lens Flare = off and all remaining settings, to the minimum ( either low or medium ); also, my DOF is = off. I also have a ViewSonic Monitor 144 Hz so, with all of that, my game fps varies from 35 all the way up to 144 depending on where I am. Let me add that I am playing with WOTC ( War of the Commonwealth ) setup to Weekend Warrior and above the default on all spawns, so I am getting a lot of enemies and this mod is chewing my fps all the way down, depending on where I am fighting in that moment. Sometimes I get that stuttering that you mentioned and last night I had my first CTD after playing almost during 40 hours .... I could not even load my game, I was stuck in the loading screen and from there, I was getting CTD, so what I did was to clean my game caches files and reacquire them. After that, I proceeded to clean my master game files via FO4Edit and everything was like a charm after that. Why did that happen ? I have not idea, but I just letting you know so keep that in mind whenever you start a new game, sometimes, reacquiring those game cache in Steam and cleaning master files, helps a lot. One thing I realized is that not matter how good your rig is, the game engine is not the best and no game is perfect, so sometimes we will get CTD's and stuttering but definitely, the more mods you have, the more chances to get into a trouble. I am not for quantity but for quality only and also, in my current load order, I have Grafix ( texture mod ) and this is not helping me to keep my fps where I would like them to be but at this point, if I delete that mod, I would have to re-start a new game and the next time, I will not have any texture mod. I prefer performance over quality. Happy gaming ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyRJump Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 ...()...Playing from an SSD helps a lot, but at least for me it only reduced the loading stutter, it didn't make it go away completely...()...That's because the speed gain from the faster SSD is lost because of the in-game streaming FO4 uses since version 1.3 or 1.4, instead of direct rendering. It causes for the RAM to flush way slower and the feed of new textures is bottlenecking because of that. The in-game streaming of textures was done to alleviate stress on the GPU and makes that sometimes textures stay soupy for a few seconds before the details pop through. In reality (in my opinion), it was done to mask the bad optimisation and the fact that the game manages the RAM very badly. The latter causes that the RAM stops from flushing almost completely after longer stints of gaming, making some textures to stay soupy constantly, or at least for longer whiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l0new0lf331 Posted June 3, 2018 Author Share Posted June 3, 2018 All right thanks for the help. I figured it was a game engine thing, I guess I was hoping a fixable cause was found.I thought I only grabbed 2k textures except for the satellite map so I'll go through my mods and make sure of it and fix it where necessary. My machine never had issues with 2k textures in SSE or Oldrim but if I have to I'll look into 1k textures.Is DDSopt good to use with FO4? And if so can I just use the settings for Skyrim/SSE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyRJump Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 What's DDSopt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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