lnsentience Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 How you read that into my post is beyond me. I said no such thingYou didn't say it, but you sure as hell implied it: This goes some ways to explain things but, still, less than 4% for mods that require an account to D/L? That's still not so good. Geez peeps, the site shouldn't have to change its procedures to make endorsing easier. It's pretty easy as it is and a bit of effort is a small price to pay considering there' NO price to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tox2ik Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Add ENDORSE button to NMM - problem half solved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraquar Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 If over 100,000 people are already using these mods why on earth would I even bother to "Endorse" them anyway - the people have already spoken with their bandwidth. These mods are already pimped to high heaven by projects like STEP, Mod Reviews and even Nexus' TOP lists. If I endorse a mod, it's a newer mod just getting on it's feet - as the Endorsement numbers on new mods with lower download totals often tells users that you just might be missing out on a quality mod that is simply under the radar - and who knows might even be an alternative to the more established, highly pimped mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevkiev Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 You didn't say it, but you sure as hell implied it: um... no. Add ENDORSE button to NMM - problem half solved Not a bad idea, maybe with an "endorsed/not endorsed" tag something like ebay's reminder of feedback given or not given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leedavis Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 I want to thank EVERYONG who has shared their opinion...there is no right or wrong on this topic. i just found it interesting how low the ER was. Here are my replies to previous comments SkyUI mod size: ~1250 kb Deadly Dragons mod size: ~50 mb You can download mods without an account on Nexus. However, you have to register an account on this site if you want to download mods that're greater than 2 mb in file size. That means that anybody can download SkyUI, but you have to have an account to download Deadly Dragons. To endorse a mod, you have to have an account on Nexus. ... /thread Very good point...thanks for making me aware of the lack of membership issue...I would have never thought to consider that. However, the ratio still applies since these users aren't taking the time to register so they can Endorse. This goes some ways to explain things but, still, less than 4% for mods that require an account to D/L? That's still not so good. Geez peeps, the site shouldn't have to change its procedures to make endorsing easier. It's pretty easy as it is and a bit of effort is a small price to pay considering there' NO price to pay.Your saying it's an obligation for people to endorse mods they download. People endorse mods they like. They're not going to endorse a mod to support the modder if they don't like the mod itself. True...just because a user downloads a mod, doesn't mean they like it. The Ratio is to show both the lack of users endorsing a mod, and how many people are downloading the mod...if you calculate the "Total Downloads" you can figure how many people are activly invlolved in updates, these are the people that should be Endorsing a mod. SKyUI's Update users are 877,941, giving a ratio of 1.603%. now not knowing how many times a single individual has updated, we can still do some amazing caculation to see the number of updates that have accured, versus the number of unique dowloads to Total Downloads and come up with a very similar figure. I disagree with that. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be self-righteous and say I've remembered all the time to endorse the mods I use. I've forgotten too. But lately I've forced myself to get in the habit of, when I open NMM, to go through the list of mods to check that I've endorsed all the ones I'm liking. It's completely a matter of effort. I do this as well, anytime I'm updating a mod...I make sure I've Endorsed it. If I'm updating...I must like it! If over 100,000 people are already using these mods why on earth would I even bother to "Endorse" them anyway - the people have already spoken with their bandwidth. These mods are already pimped to high heaven by projects like STEP, Mod Reviews and even Nexus' TOP lists. If I endorse a mod, it's a newer mod just getting on it's feet - as the Endorsement numbers on new mods with lower download totals often tells users that you just might be missing out on a quality mod that is simply under the radar - and who knows might even be an alternative to the more established, highly pimped mods. This is a very good point. The top 100 have already received their position as a popular mod, both from D/L and Ed. And I strognly RECOMMEND USER VOTING FOR THE LITTLE GUY AS WELL! However, the Ratio is about the lack of endorsments, even for the little guys..of which I'll have an update suretly on the Ratio's of the little guys soon. Thanks again all for voicing your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SergeantGrrock Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 I know that the OP "leedavis" pretty much closed out this thread with his last post but I'd like to add my 2 cents. Some of you insinuated that endorsements aren't that important to mod authors. At least compared to download percentage. Then tell me why do SO MANY mod authors state on the description page that "If you like this mod please endorse!" And by SO MANY, I mean like about half. That tells me it is important to them. Even the ones that might say it's not important. I mean c'mon. They're just being modest. (no pun intended) My other peeve is when I see a message like this in the comments... "I can't wait to see this in game! You've got my endorsement NOW." Ummm, If you haven't even tried it yet, how the hell can you endorse it? Yes I know there is a waiting period after download but I see similar comments ALL THE TIME. So folks are obviously downloading and endorsing before they even try it. Imo you don't know squat about a mod until using it for at least several hours. I've had mods for other games that I thought were great at first but then after awhile some actually ended up ruining my game. FO3 comes to mind. I guess my point is... endorsements are a tool that if used right can point newbies (and the rest of us) to the best mods available but if used improperly, it's not just a waste of time, it can be very misleading. And that's what grinds my gears. Back to you Diane. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lnsentience Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Very good point...thanks for making me aware of the lack of membership issue...I would have never thought to consider that. However, the ratio still applies since these users aren't taking the time to register so they can Endorse.No. It doesn't. If you want a mod, you download it. If you have to make an account to download a mod, you'd make an account. But nobody is going to bother registering an account just to endorse. Endorsing a mod doesn't benefit the downloader in any way. All the downloader wants to do is mod his game and leave. Registered users (in general) care more about the modder. They want to keep the modder interested in working on the mod. So they endorse. In conclusion, the majority of downloads are from people who don't give a damn about anything other than downloading the mod. This invalidates the ratio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgiegril Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Well, I have about 50 mods, and have endorsed about 20. I went back and endorsed some of them after the post from Admin about tagging. In the process of looking for untagged mods, I noticed that I had done a lot less endorsing than I thought. I think that is in part because have also tried to endorse before the window opens, and then simply forgot to go back. I understand the idea behind the cooling off period, but at least in my case, I am sorry to say it has led to some mods that I meant to endorse getting overlooked. Honestly, I felt kinda silly adding my endorsement to mods like SkyUI and WATER, although they deserve the credit, for sure. But one more endorsement added to the thousands.....tens of thousands... I guess I am not entirely sure what the intention of the endorsement system is. If it is to alert others to excellence, then wouldn't a thousand be more than enough to establish merit? Likewise, as far as giving deserving mod authors recognition, wouldn't a thousand make that point? My mod got it's first endorsement, and I was thrilled. If it were ever to get past 1000 (hypothetical, of course) I don't think the 1001st endorsement would have much impact. Is there another reason for endorsements that I am missing? Of the mods I have not endorsed, but use, it is because I think of an endorsement as a high standard, not just an acknowledgement that I appreciate the authors work. Maybe that is not fair--I know even the simplest mods take a lot of hard work, and I would like to be able to express my gratitude, even for mods that don't work out for me. My dilemma is, if I endorse everything, then what does the endorsement really mean? I wish there were a 4- or 5-star system instead of just a toggle-style endorsement. I realize that adds to the burden of the site managers, but to my mind that would help make endorsements more meaningful. Having said that, I'm off to see if I can't endorse a few more.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imperistan Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Usually I endorse whenever an update comes in or whenever I happen to show up on that mod's page again. (usually when I'm looking at the author's other work) You also have to realize that some people don't actually participate on the Nexus beyond downloading what looks cool. I bet you anything out of all those users that actually endorse, that at least a majority (if not the vast majority) of them have at least one mod up on the nexus, or otherwise actively participate on the site. (Pictures, forums, etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leedavis Posted May 22, 2012 Author Share Posted May 22, 2012 (edited) @lnsentience I now know that you do not fully understand the purpose of the ratio. Endorsements / Unique Downloads = Percent of Downloaders that are Endorsing a mod. This ratio has nothing to do with whether or not they are registered or not. There are registered members that are not endorsing these mods as well. And their reason for NOT endorsing them is their own business. Of the nearly 96.933% of downloaders that have not Endorsed SKyUI...I highly doubt they are ALL non-registered downloaders. So how could that FUDGE the Ratio??? AS A SPECIAL NOTE:I am not persuading or complaining about the lack of Endorsements. The Ratio was something I found interesting and wanted to share and hear different view points. @Georgiegril I totally agree with your 1-5 star rating Idea. The Endorsements do not accurately show the quality of a mod. Edited May 22, 2012 by leedavis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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