has Jannix Quinn stopped modding??

[JannixQuinn]

A couple of days ago I released the Templar armours, based on the KOTN cuirass mesh. The thread at the bethsoft forums was shut down by Princess Stomper for redistributing content.

 

Perhaps thats fair, perhaps its not, but in my view the content is not exactly the same. The templar armour for the male had the bottom half totally removed and replaced, and the pauldrons were removed and replaced with different plates made by me. The texture was also redone. The female version had the pauldrons removed and replaced with plates made by me. The helmet had the wings removed, and re-stitched to cover the holes. The whole neck area was removed and a helmet interior mesh was added. All the textures and icons were re-made.

 

In my opinion, its not the same mesh. The KOTN textures weren't included. By using my mod, you cannot recreate or play the KOTN armour without buying the official expansion.

 

All that aside, and whether you consider it stolen content, I never was contacted about it before my thread was closed and I was labeled as stealing content. Even if it was considered stolen, I'd have though I'd get enough respect to be contacted first about it and not summarily labeled a thief and having my reputation tarnished. At least that way I could have explained the differences.

 

To those who support my mods, I thank you. Its a shame to stop releasing stuff but apparently I'm a dirty thief.

[haloman21]

Your no thief the only way someone could redistribute your mods is by building a time machine and downloading all your mods and redistributing them under their name

[LHammonds]

Well, the whole DLC and expansion pack rules are so convoluted that I have always refused to mod for them. I consider it a waste of time due to the ridiculous licensing.

 

Do not think of yourself as a thief or let others think of you that way either. Bethesda has a blanket rule about those DLCs so it does not matter if it is a single vertex or the entire mesh that was used.

 

Remember my quest for permission from the BBC to release a mod with the likeness of their Robot Man? Had I been able to talk with somebody in charge, things might have been different but they have an overriding blanket rule and all their employees that reply to emails use nothing but the "sorry, cannot do that" email.

 

I would just chalk it up as a learning experience to never mod the DLCs and move on. But if looking at Oblivion has a bad taint due to this mod, then it might be time to pick another game to mod. I'm sorry that I do not have any suggestions at the moment since I love sword and armor games and regarding the modding aspect and gameplay, this is about as good as it gets so far. I've heard people enjoy the CryTeck modding but it is in a genre that doesn't quite float my boat.

 

LHammonds

[Toutatis]

You're not a "dirty thief" (unless perhaps for Sony but then we're all "dirty thieves" according to their definition) and I don't think any one really thought that...at the very worse, it's a simple mistake made in good faith (if there was a mistake...how much modification is required...according to beth, it doesn't matter...but its a gray area - personally I see some flaws in their DLC licensing system...which I can't even access after installation btw...but I can't elaborate here and I'm not from the US anyway). In any event, if the only issue was to make the mod dependent on KOTN...why not just do it if it can make everybody happy? I have seen plenty of meshes from SI, the horse armor mod & others that were doing just that and they don't seem to have a problem with those on the TES forums.

 

I seriously hope you will reconsider...I and many others will miss your creations and your sense of humor (and for once we were guaranteed not to get anime stuff!).

 

 

Now that my vampire has seen the skINGRADS he can no longer be satisfied with mortal blood :yucky:

[DarkDragon]

A couple of days ago I released the Templar armours, based on the KOTN cuirass mesh. The thread at the bethsoft forums was shut down by Princess Stomper for redistributing content.

 

Perhaps thats fair, perhaps its not, but in my view the content is not exactly the same. The templar armour for the male had the bottom half totally removed and replaced, and the pauldrons were removed and replaced with different plates made by me. The texture was also redone. The female version had the pauldrons removed and replaced with plates made by me. The helmet had the wings removed, and re-stitched to cover the holes. The whole neck area was removed and a helmet interior mesh was added. All the textures and icons were re-made.

 

In my opinion, its not the same mesh. The KOTN textures weren't included. By using my mod, you cannot recreate or play the KOTN armour without buying the official expansion.

 

All that aside, and whether you consider it stolen content, I never was contacted about it before my thread was closed and I was labeled as stealing content. Even if it was considered stolen, I'd have though I'd get enough respect to be contacted first about it and not summarily labeled a thief and having my reputation tarnished. At least that way I could have explained the differences.

 

To those who support my mods, I thank you. Its a shame to stop releasing stuff but apparently I'm a dirty thief.

 

 

I find this situation very odd.

 

The moderators have never had a problem with people releasing retextures of, and mods containing, the shivering isles meshes/textures.

 

And I'm certain that there are other mods out there that use the KOTN meshes but retexture them, but have a tiny little flag on them that says "requires KOTN"... and I've never seen any problems with them.

 

It seems to me there's simply a misunderstanding happening here. Very odd.

[BlackDragon66]

Yes he has quit.

That is sad to hear but I understand your reasons. Best of luck to you. :smile:

[Vagrant0]

And by converting SI meshes to fit Exnems or FF, they're actually doing worse than what you've claimed. Actually, all retextures fall into that same group, since it';s neither the usage, nor the actual amount of content that matters. The rules on this sort of thing have been so twisted and left to interpertation, and asking for clarification will only result in the powers that be deciding everything is against the rules. Sorry to see you go, you made some great stuff, but this is really just another example about how Bethsoft doesn't give a crap about the modding community that keeps their game selling, and the legal issues that will never get worked out as long as they insist on this sort of mentallity.

[simonp92]

i am sorry to hear that.. jannix..

and i was looking forward to your crown mod:D

 

i hope you will read the messages pleople posted here..

[AlienSlof]

I didn't actually know about this until I found a report waiting for me. I am truly sorry to see you go, JQ - many of your original and fun little mods are a mainstay of my game. I love hunting down those t-shirts! I for one, will miss your contributions to my game.

 

I also know from bitter personal experience that the actions of some people can sour a hobby that is supposed to bring enjoyment, so you have my full support. I know you've suffered flak before and there comes a time when it just reaches a point where it can no longer be simply brushed aside.

 

I hope you will drop by and read this and see that there are those of us who will miss you. I wish you the best in whatever you turn your imagination and talents to. :)

[HouseAtlantic]

they must have thought of it as setting an example by closing a thread by someone of your stature over this. i don't think what you did, JQ, was stealing or distributing anything illegally, if they could only see the work that must have went into it for you to say that it isn't that same model from the expansion.. thanks for being with us in the first place and i wish you the best, man!