has Jannix Quinn stopped modding??

[worm82075]

You shouldn't be so selfish. Yeah Princess Stomper is a xxxxx xxx

 

P.S. Hey moderators try not to egregiously or erroneously delete my post this time.

P.P.S. "AS"(whoever you are), I was blunt and realistic. You are rude and insulting by deleting my post. Furthermore, I have been in the same situation as Jannix Quinn more than he and with harsher consequences as well, so please, let's have a little justice, thanks.

P.P.P.S. LHammonds, we all make mistakes, it's okay. I don't know who "AS" is, by the way. And to both you, LHammonds, and "AS": I've added my post back in. Delete it again and I'll just have to pester Jannix Quinn personally with a more appropriate message for his behavior, and I'll let him know its thanks to you two he's receiving said message.

 

NUCLEAR DETONATION!

 

 

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Why don't moderators at BGSF moderate posts instead of threads as a whole, that thread wasn't created to discuss the moderators actions and just because a couple posts in that thread did, the whole thing is closed.

[princessstomper]

Sorry to see you go, you made some great stuff, but this is really just another example about how Bethsoft doesn't give a crap about the modding community that keeps their game selling, and the legal issues that will never get worked out as long as they insist on this sort of mentallity.

I'm sorry, but I won't have that said.

 

The decision to lock that thread was mine and mine alone.

 

If someone has been redistributing Shivering Isles content without the mod being dependent on SI, then they have slipped under the radar. Any threads at the official forums that are discussing such content will be locked immediately the minute they are seen.

 

If you have a problem with me, you take it up with me. You don't blame Bethesda, you don't blame anyone else. I had a problem with Jannix Quinn's mod - not him - and I locked the thread.

 

No blind eye is turned - we just can't be everywhere at once. Anyone who breaks the rules of the official forums - anyone at all - will have their thread locked if we see it. As Jannix can testify, instead of issuing any warnings or bans against his account, I just locked the thread and said nothing more.

 

I am a long-standing modder with over 70 mods under my belt - I understand how it works and what is and isn't allowed. He made a mistake and his thread was locked. If the mod didn't require a selling-point of paid-for extra content, he wouldn't have used it in the first place. It's exactly the same as if someone distributed a TC version of Oblivion without requiring that the player had a copy of Oblivion. Sure, we shouldn't underestimate their own hard work but the fact remains that they're making something available for free that everyone else had to pay for.

 

Now, Jannix - I appreciate you as a modder, and especially appreciate the teaset you made at my request and the resources of yours I've used. I thought I'd made that perfectly clear to your friend who contacted me on your behalf when I closed that thread (and who I assumed would relay my thoughts on the matter). What I don't appreciate is that you're not confronting me directly with your issues and are instead dragging it through this forum instead. I'm not going to beg for you to come back, but I will ask - as a modder, and as a friend. You understand the situation, and you understand your value. You made a mistake once - don't make another one by depriving everyone of your excellent mods because you have an issue with me.

[buddah]

You shouldn't be so selfish. Yeah Princess Stomper is a xxxxxxxxx and she was probably incorrect in her actions but still to quit because one of your mods got locked up is ridiculous. It looks like this: "Oh. That's it. Now my perfect record of nothing but praise for everything I do is gone, I simply cannot endure. Bye, community."

 

Be glad people like all the stuff you've done as much as they do. Everyone in a goods-producing market generates a product with defects every now and then, and it doesn't matter whether it's the creator's fault for the defect, or the consumer who exploited it to get his finger cut off, you still get sued. If you pack up because of that one suit, despite the numerous other successes that have gone off without a hitch, then it says you don't want to persevere. I have no idea what mods you've made or who you are, but judging from some responses you've generally been a success. So why quit because one uppity forum moderator made a personal judgment? I mean if you have been looking for an out then say so, but don't try and turn this into one unless it's what you were looking for.

 

 

P.S. Hey moderators try not to egregiously or erroneously delete my post this time.

P.P.S. "AS"(whoever you are), I was blunt and realistic. You are rude and insulting by deleting my post. Furthermore, I have been in the same situation as Jannix Quinn more than he and with harsher consequences as well, so please, let's have a little justice, thanks.

P.P.P.S. LHammonds, we all make mistakes, it's okay. I don't know who "AS" is, by the way. And to both you, LHammonds, and "AS": I've added my post back in. Delete it again and I'll just have to pester Jannix Quinn personally with a more appropriate message for his behavior, and I'll let him know its thanks to you two he's receiving said message.

 

 

 

Moderator Note:

 

You should have left things alone.

 

I have deleted you post this time, but will leave it somewhat edited in my response.

 

AS is a moderator here and she deleted your post as inappropriate, end of story.

 

Your putting it back up implies that the rules here don't apply to you, and in a way you are correct.

 

You account has now been banned for many reasons. The least of which is a pointed attack of another member of this forum.

 

If you believe that I have acted inappropriately please feel to contact Dark0ne on this link:

 

http://tesnexus.com/contact.php

 

Buddah

 

EDIT by LHammonds: Thanks for saving me the trouble of getting out my ban stick as I was already getting primed by the time I got to this post. ;)

[glypha]

No blind eye is turned - we just can't be everywhere at once. Anyone who breaks the rules of the official forums - anyone at all - will have their thread locked if we see it. As Jannix can testify, instead of issuing any warnings or bans against his account, I just locked the thread and said nothing more.

 

I'm not going to argue about what is and what isn't allowed at the BGS Forums and whether you did the right thing or not, given your position there. I'm just saying that maybe you should have given the modder a chance to explain what's going on in his mod before closing the thread. Wouldn't hurt making sure before pulling the trigger.

[worm82075]

No blind eye is turned - we just can't be everywhere at once. Anyone who breaks the rules of the official forums - anyone at all - will have their thread locked if we see it. As Jannix can testify, instead of issuing any warnings or bans against his account, I just locked the thread and said nothing more.

 

I'm not going to argue about what is and what isn't allowed at the BGS Forums and whether you did the right thing or not, given your position there. I'm just saying that maybe you should have given the modder a chance to explain what's going on in his mod before closing the thread. Wouldn't hurt making sure before pulling the trigger.

 

What your not understanding is she does not have that luxury. princess_stomper is an honorable and level headed person, she acted in the only way she could and just like the BGSF thread directed at JQ's departure this thread is not about questioning her actions. Please stop pointing the finger at her and Bethesda, re-read her post more carfully and take her words for what they are and stop reading into this so much.

 

unintelligible venting - do not view

 

biricke bracken muffa xukin suva blikis $%#$&%$#@#!@!#$%$#@! arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Arthmoor]

I'm not going to argue about what is and what isn't allowed at the BGS Forums and whether you did the right thing or not, given your position there. I'm just saying that maybe you should have given the modder a chance to explain what's going on in his mod before closing the thread. Wouldn't hurt making sure before pulling the trigger.

 

Unfortunately it doesn't work that way with these kinds of issues. I run two forums of my own and know full well that not "pulling the trigger" when it's clearly the proper thing to do according to policy is a recipe for disaster. You don't hesitate. And you certainly don't go looking for clarification first, because doing so would undermine your authority as a moderator or admin. If something turns out to be a misunderstanding then the action is correctable. Locking a thread is a trivially easy thing to undo, but should only be done in cases where there's been a clear mistake by the mods and only at the direction of admins. Users clamoring for reversals should certainly never be given into because it would undermine the collective authority of everyone running the site. Chaos is never good for anyone. It doesn't make Bethesda a gang of ogres or nazis either.

 

Personally I don't know JQ, am not terribly familiar with his work, and don't know if any mods I've collected even make use of it. Judging only by the thread lock and the resulting reaction, my instincts tell me the moderators did the right thing and JQ had a massive overreaction. He perceived it as a personal attack where none was made.

[princessstomper]

No blind eye is turned - we just can't be everywhere at once. Anyone who breaks the rules of the official forums - anyone at all - will have their thread locked if we see it. As Jannix can testify, instead of issuing any warnings or bans against his account, I just locked the thread and said nothing more.

 

I'm not going to argue about what is and what isn't allowed at the BGS Forums and whether you did the right thing or not, given your position there. I'm just saying that maybe you should have given the modder a chance to explain what's going on in his mod before closing the thread. Wouldn't hurt making sure before pulling the trigger.

Hypothetical: Modder X made a mod and someone accused him of using assets he had no right to use. I locked the thread immediately. The modder then PM'd me with "proof" that his mod was legit. I reopened the thread, no harm done. By locking the thread, you didn't get a spammy mess of accusations. Once I'd reopened it and clarified that the modder was fine to use their bits, nobody could legitimately accuse them of stealing, so the issue never arose again. That is how the system is supposed to - and does, time after time - work.

[herosinger]

Princess, I've seen your work, as well as your involvement in the community, and, like Buddah here, you are simply doing your job at the forum you moderate. There should be absolutely no blame leveled at you for the fiasco this has become.

 

No blind eye is turned - we just can't be everywhere at once. Anyone who breaks the rules of the official forums - anyone at all - will have their thread locked if we see it.

 

The "blind eye" is really more of selective ignorance. If it's illegal to distribute meshes, it's illegal to distribute meshes. How is an edited mesh from vanilla Oblivion any different than an edited mesh from KotN? True, a player can't use the .nif in Oblivion if they don't have Oblivion, but they could very well use it in any number of other forms. Textures follow the same rule. A plugin that has a required master absolutely does not restrict the use of individual resources the mod incorporates. In my mind, this is where the confusion lies.

[glypha]

Hypothetical: Modder X made a mod and someone accused him of using assets he had no right to use. I locked the thread immediately. The modder then PM'd me with "proof" that his mod was legit. I reopened the thread, no harm done. By locking the thread, you didn't get a spammy mess of accusations. Once I'd reopened it and clarified that the modder was fine to use their bits, nobody could legitimately accuse them of stealing, so the issue never arose again. That is how the system is supposed to - and does, time after time - work.

 

Thanks for the reply and the clarification. You have my apologies if I have offended you or your work as a moderator.

[worm82075]

The "blind eye" is really more of selective ignorance. If it's illegal to distribute meshes, it's illegal to distribute meshes. How is an edited mesh from vanilla Oblivion any different than an edited mesh from KotN? True, a player can't use the .nif in Oblivion if they don't have Oblivion, but they could very well use it in any number of other forms. Textures follow the same rule. A plugin that has a required master absolutely does not restrict the use of individual resources the mod incorporates. In my mind, this is where the confusion lies.

 

But it's not illegal to redistribute altered meshes and textures from vanilla Oblivion and if fact we have express permission to do so as well as altered music. But as was said already the DLCs are to be treated as a game themselves and each has it's own license but since it's content relies solely on Oblivion for it's function they (unlike vanilla) may not be altered and redistributed without reliance on the original content contained within them. That to me is very simple and I just don't see how any confusion could ensue from that. Very cut and dry and IMHO any attempt to befuddle that fact is merely an attempt to get around the rules that are very clear.