Aurielius Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 <snip>All the more reason to hate NYC and avoid it like the plague. If a cop threw me up against a wall to try and search me, he might walk away missing some teeth.I think you are underestimating what the NYC police will do to you subsequently. Hope you enjoy your stay at Rikers because that will be your next stop after his backup beats the stuffing out of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syco21 Posted June 19, 2012 Author Share Posted June 19, 2012 I think you are underestimating what the NYC police will do to you subsequently. Hope you enjoy your stay at Rikers because that will be your next stop after his backup beats the stuffing out of you.Never said I wouldn't be. Honestly, if all that happened was I got beat up and thrown in prison, I'd be counting my blessings that I wasn't shot and/or killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurielius Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I think you are underestimating what the NYC police will do to you subsequently. Hope you enjoy your stay at Rikers because that will be your next stop after his backup beats the stuffing out of you.Never said I wouldn't be. Honestly, if all that happened was I got beat up and thrown in prison, I'd be counting my blessings that I wasn't shot and/or killed.LOL..suggest you use the 'yes officer' method instead...it's less painful.....but you should note his badge number for when you are free and clear of the confrontation...there are always legal remedies for over zealous constabulary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginnyfizz Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 There is a sort of satisfaction (I was hit over the head by an overzealous Metropolitan policeman when demonstrating in favour of hunting)in seeing a judge rollock the offending officer afterwards. I went the note the badge and sue the pants off them approach. Yes, British policemen are, sadly, just as bad. Ask the family of Jean Charles de Menezes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nintii Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 (edited) Reality is this, crime is ugly and and in order to apprehend the "uglies" who do the crime, we, the innocent will sometimes be inconvenienced ... part of life.The police in the video were doing what they were being paid to do ... protecting the innocent from being further victims of crime.So people didn't get to their salon appointment in time, Johnny's little nose dripped on his clean jersey that had just been washed and Suzie didn't get to meet Peter on time for lunch ... Damn, these cops are messing with my rights !!!!!!!!  I'd bet that if the same guy shot someone dead first then got apprehended and the public found out that the police had the knowledge of the criminals whereabouts but did nothing when they "could have", then it would be a different kettle of fish altogether.People would be screaming for their blood :verymad:  Aurora police did the right thing, *clap clap clap* ..............................................  Where I live we currently have a scam going on where a "victim" would "step in front of your car" and pretend to get knocked over and the cops would take your name etc., and let you go, the "innocent pedestrian" would lay no charge against you. The next day the cops would arrive at your place of work arrest you and put you into a cell ... and as the scam goes it would be vitally important to be out of the prison before nightfall as I will explain. The victim being you would agree because there will be another woman in the cell - who is planted there by the cops - who would scare you with stories of "criminal men being put together with us in our cell tonight and they will rape us".This would spur you on to contact your loved ones to get you out of there ASAP. Desperate you would call over the police and ask them to please get you out of there, the cops will tell you that if you "help them with something", then they would "somehow bend the rules and be able to do you a favor and get you out before tonight".In other words they want a bribe. Tell me, if you're a woman, wouldn't you want to get out of there "before tonight" ?What if it was your wife, fiancee or girlfriend ? In light of this, the Aurora Police Department are a bunch of saints in protecting it's citizens.This is a true scam that's happening I'm not making it up. Edited June 19, 2012 by Nintii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyYou Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Reality is this, crime is ugly and and in order to apprehend the "uglies" who do the crime, we, the innocent will sometimes be inconvenienced ... part of life.The police in the video were doing what they were being paid to do ... protecting the innocent from being further victims of crime.So people didn't get to their salon appointment in time, Johnny's little nose dripped on his clean jersey that had just been washed and Suzie didn't get to meet Peter on time for lunch ... Damn, these cops are messing with my rights !!!!!!!!  I'd bet that if the same guy shot someone dead first then got apprehended and the public found out that the police had the knowledge of the criminals whereabouts but did nothing when they "could have", then it would be a different kettle of fish altogether.People would be screaming for their blood :verymad:  Aurora police did the right thing, *clap clap clap* ..............................................  Where I live we currently have a scam going on where a "victim" would "step in front of your car" and pretend to get knocked over and the cops would take your name etc., and let you go, the "innocent pedestrian" would lay no charge against you. The next day the cops would arrive at your place of work arrest you and put you into a cell ... and as the scam goes it would be vitally important to be out of the prison before nightfall as I will explain. The victim being you would agree because there will be another woman in the cell - who is planted there by the cops - who would scare you with stories of "criminal men being put together with us in our cell tonight and they will rape us".This would spur you on to contact your loved ones to get you out of there ASAP. Desperate you would call over the police and ask them to please get you out of there, the cops will tell you that if you "help them with something", then they would "somehow bend the rules and be able to do you a favor and get you out before tonight".In other words they want a bribe. Tell me, if you're a woman, wouldn't you want to get out of there "before tonight" ?What if it was your wife, fiancee or girlfriend ? In light of this, the Aurora Police Department are a bunch of saints in protecting it's citizens.This is a true scam that's happening I'm not making it up. So, because cops in some locale are dishonest, we should allow cops in some other locale to violate our rights against unreasonable search and seizure. (detention) I don't follow the logic there. And since we are going for hypotheticals here..... how do you think folks would have reacted had the criminal in question decided that instead of being arrested, he wanted to go out in a blaze of glory, and came out shooting, and one or more of those folks (and possibly even a child) were shot by either him, or some cop? Headlines reading "Innocent victim handcuffed on side of road killed" wouldn't go over so well, now would it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nintii Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 (edited) @ HeyYou ... Dishonesty is dishonesty and people in authority, irrespective of who they are do not have carte blanche to violate people and their rights, and are not excusable if they do so, UNLESS, they have good reason or it is mutually beneficial that they do so and every case has it's own specific's and should be judged as such. To me the case with the Aurora police was one of being mutually beneficial. The "other" incident was merely to show that in one case the police try and protect and in the other that the police can also be rotten, that was my contrast and nothing more.There was no hypothetical involved ... nevertheless, I do understand your point, the criminal in question could have decided to go out in a blaze of glory ... could have but never did. Edited June 19, 2012 by Nintii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghogiel Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Basically laws/ constitution is there to be adhered to, unless it is inconvenient and gets in the way, in which case it is discarded/ suspended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syco21 Posted June 19, 2012 Author Share Posted June 19, 2012 Nintii: They found their suspect, but that suspect is probably going to walk free now, even if he is the bank robber, because the case is likely to be thrown out on the grounds that the police violated his rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurielius Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Basically laws/ constitution is there to be adhered to, unless it is inconvenient and gets in the way, in which case it is discarded/ suspended.Cynicism over idealism? Not what I would usually expect from you. Though if past history as taught me anything, expedience sometimes reigns when it should not. Not sure if Burke is the precise correct author but I agree with his attributed sentiment..."The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing." or to paraphrase in more modern parlance... the only thing necessary to accede to the trampling your rights is to do nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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