Georgia and Russia

[Chesto]

Just a couple little things Ive noticed on re-reading this thread:

First off - Timi and Deperado. It's summer holidays, boys. Shouldn't you really be taking a break from Smart Arse School? Nosisab, my old friend and sparring partner, made a perfectly decent joke about 'Confused', and 'Confucius' (sp). And , to crack smartarse about his way of expressing himself: i think that he is making a very good job of moving from the Brazilian, his native tongue - which he is too much of a gent to point out to you and cause you rightly earned embarassment - to English, in which he expresses himself quite sublimely, for those willing to take a moment to appreciate it. And Timi. Really. Having a go at a Goddess? Come on. I really must make room for you in my private quarters, and where the sun dont shine. Ever. So... back off, if you two haven't already. There's the good boys.

 

'Nob0dy'. Now...why does that name carry about it the scent of 1984? And, why, before this little conversation about the rights and wrongs of Russian involvement in Whereeverthefekitis, have we never seen you on any of our forums, before. Why am I so tempted to ask which branch of the Russian Diplomatic Service, and one of the blacker branches i would think, it is that you are employed by? There just seems to be , with reference to your extremely well machine translated utterances, something so in lock-step with every briefing I have heard the Russian Foreign Service spokespersons give. Funny thing that. Oh, and by the way, the Times, UK, is a joke. Has been since Murdoch took it over. And always acts as his mouth piece when it comes to comment on anything that may affect his vast global holdings. So...do your home work.

 

Oh...should I , after posting this, contract some mysterious radiation related illness, or have a contretemp with an umbrella...would some one please point the Rozzers in 'Nob0dy''s direction.

[desperado2008]

chesto, don't take it too much serious, this is a game forum, we talk just because we want to talk, it's that simple. are you really so naive to suspect that somebody wants to get something from people like you? learn yourself, mortal.

 

by the way, I have no intention of teasing Nosisab.

[Varus Torvyn]

But that line about COMMUNISTIC power is a real killer. Varus, do you still live 15 years in the past?

 

Sarya, my last job in the U.S. Armed Forces was first-alert of nuclear attack against the United States. We had 60 seconds to get a report sent, or we were out of a job.

 

I personally witnessed the U.S.S.R. launch both land-based nuclear ICBMs and SLBMs (submarine nuclear launch). You would not believe the number of alarms and klaxons sounding. We had to determine if Russia was going to start World War III, or not.

 

We also tracked those ICBMs & SLBMs the whole time they were in flight, to ensure they weren't going to hit another sovereign nation. If we discovered Great Britain was going to be hit, don't you think our President would be on the hotline to their Prime Minister in a heartbeat?

 

I don't expect a civilian to fully grasp the entire idea, but when you are personally responsible for the security and well-being of an entire nation, you take your duty extremely serious.

 

We had to be right 100% of the time. Our reports go directly to the President of the United States.

 

I also did duty on the space side. Every single launch done by Russia was done without any prior notice, yet the United States always announces their launches.

 

Sarya, here's something else you may not know. We have a program called "TIP" (Tracking and Impact Prediction). It sends out alerts on any object in Earth orbit that has a 10% or better chance of surviving atmospheric reentry and striking the ground.

 

Did you know that the United States regularly informs Moscow of these objects? Do you even know why? It's because your equipment is so antiquated that it gives out false alerts of nuclear attack, when it's only a satellite falling into the atmosphere. So we have to inform your military so they won't start a war over a falling satellite.

 

We were briefed that Russia was one of the most important reasons to track these objects. The way they fall is similar to a ballistic missile's reentry, and the Russian equipment isn't good at discriminating between falling satellites vs. real nukes.

 

Every time we track one of these objects that are going to fall, the mainframes instantly compute the new orbit and the prediction of where it could impact. We have people stationed all over the world to keep track of these falling satellites.

 

Some of these people are dedicated enough to go to places that are remote locations, meaning you cannot take your family with you. So they sacrifice their family life to protect Russia as well from these falling satellites.

[RayTracer]

Chesto: i have been assured that somebody will necessarily ask such questions. :) So, i will try to answer.

 

'Nob0dy'. Now...why does that name carry about it the scent of 1984?

I really don't understand that you wished to tell this phrase. I am not strong in English and as I already spoke, I use machine translation in both directions.

 

And, why, before this little conversation about the rights and wrongs of Russian involvement in Whereeverthefekitis, have we never seen you on any of our forums, before.

All for the same reason: I badly understand English. I more or less can read. But write on a foreign language much more difficult, than to read. I think, you and itself perfectly know it. That's why I wrote nothing. Besides, if you look at date of my registration you will see that I have been registered here not too for a long time. Why I have started to write now? Because the problem discussed in this topic very much excites me, because my country is the direct participant of this conflict.

 

Oh, and by the way, the Times, UK, is a joke. Has been since Murdoch took it over. And always acts as his mouth piece when it comes to comment on anything that may affect his vast global holdings. So...do your home work.

What do you mean "the Times, UK, is a joke"? You wish to tell, what Times expresses someone's interests? So it there is nobody not news - ANY mass-media expresses someone's interests! Only having studied many of sources of the information which express interests of the DIFFERENT (OPPOSITE) parties, it is possible to be more or less assured that you know the truth. Whether you wish to tell that Times expresses interests of Russia? Who such Murdoch I have learnt just today having glanced in Wiki. Whether you wish to tell, that Murdoch is somehow connected with the Kremlin? I think, it is simply silly ...

 

The escalation risked igniting a renewed and sustained conflict in the Caucasus region, an important conduit for the flow of oil from the Caspian Sea to world markets and an area where conflict has flared for years along Russia’s borders, most recently in Chechnya.

 

- The New York Times

At nightfall, each side was calling in reinforcements and pumping out radically different versions of the day's events in the region, which is strategically important for its oil and gas pipelines.

 

A sharp escalation began earlier Friday, when Georgia launched a large-scale, predawn military operation meant to seize control of the rebel region, whose de facto autonomy and ties to Russia have long been an irritant to Georgian leaders. Backed by warplanes, Georgian troops plunged into South Ossetia and waged a hard battle throughout the day for control of the republic's capital, Tskhinvali.

 

The region has emerged as a sort of post-Cold War proving ground where the United States and Russia jockey for influence.

 

Although Georgia is far smaller and poorer than Russia, the Georgian military has been refurbished with training and equipment from the United States.

 

- The Los Angeles Times

There are fears of full-blown war in the region, which is a crucial energy transit route in which Russia and the west are vying for influence.

 

Observers had little doubt that the operation to take South Ossetia back under Georgian control bore the hallmarks of a planned military offensive.

 

The assault appears to be have carefully timed to coincide with the opening of the Olympics when the Russian prime minister, Vladimir Putin, was in Beijing.

 

Tom de Waal, of the Institute for War and Peace Reporting and an expert on the region, said: "Clearly there have been incidents on both sides, but this is obviously a planned Georgian operation, a contingency plan they have had for some time, to retake [the South Ossetian capital] Tskhinvali.

 

"Possibly the Georgians calculated that, with Putin in Beijing, they could recapture the capital in two days and then defend it over the next two months, because the Russians won't take this lying down."

 

Rather than keep the dispute within a local compass, Mr Saakashvili has done everything in his power to internationalise it. He has banged loudly on Nato's door, and some US leaders have been taken in. The Republican candidate John McCain got a St George's Cross for visiting the Georgian part of South Ossetia last year. The Germans and the French on the other hand resisted Georgia's demand for a membership action plan at the last Nato summit in Bucharest. Georgia's actions yesterday show just how wise Berlin was.

 

- The Guardian

The Kremlin has bought all of them? Or Russia can't be not a "bad guy" because it can be never? And, as i understand, the main question:

 

Why am I so tempted to ask which branch of the Russian Diplomatic Service, and one of the blacker branches i would think, it is that you are employed by? There just seems to be , with reference to your extremely well machine translated utterances, something so in lock-step with every briefing I have heard the Russian Foreign Service spokespersons give. Funny thing that.

Do you love your country? What would you do, if the majority of mass-media named your country an aggressor though you are assured, what it not so? You saw, what some people, especially from the some former republics of USSR write at the Russian forums where this war also is discussed, and very actively? They very scared. These people names Russia an Evil Empire, an aggressor. They even have called into question the fact that Georgians the first have attacked Ossetia and say that Tskhinvali has not been attacked at all, and peace people were not lost! But YOURS journalists were in Tskhinvali and they saw all by their eyes! You will deny, what Saakashvili constantly lies from TV-screen? I do not wish to confirm, but in those statements of George Bush which I saw, really was not present words that it's Georgia, who starts this war, and that as a result of it peace people were lost. No words of a regret that peace people were lost. Always that Russia has "encroached on territorial integrity of Georgia" is said only, and anywhere is not said that Ossetins and Abkhasians do not wish to be a part of Georgia. I simply want to that people in the west, which this conflict excites, that they knew not only the point of view of Tbilisi, but also the point of view of South Ossetia.

 

As to the translator, you can register on mail.ru and use this service for free.

 

Varus Torvyn: very interestingly. And i think that nobody from usual Russian does not know about it.

[Sarya]

Varus, have you even read what I wrote? I really said nothing about your attitude. And the last thing I seek is to offend someone. Do you have a different approach?

 

You see, what I was saying is that you're wrong about the "communism in Russia" thing. You see, the Soviet Union ended when I was ten years old - sixteen years ago. Why do I believe that even after all you said? Easy. Communism is not a particular set of rulers in the country, it's an ideology - something that has to affect the citizens, whatever their government has in mind and whether it believes in this ideology or not is not really important. And I may tell you that we do not live by it.

No, there's still communistic party, it's even "the second in power", but, well, I haven't seen anything of note coming from them for years. Oh, meetings and demonstrations, yes, cool.

[Varus Torvyn]

Varus, have you even read what I wrote? I really said nothing about your attitude. And the last thing I seek is to offend someone.

 

You see, what I was saying is that you're wrong about the "communism in Russia" thing. You see, the Soviet Union ended when I was ten years old - sixteen years ago. Why do I believe that even after all you said? Easy. Communism is not a particular set of rulers in the country, it's an ideology - something that has to affect the citizens, whatever their government has in mind and whether it believes in this ideology or not is not really important. And I may tell you that we do not live by it.

No, there's still communistic party, it's even "the second in power", but, well, I haven't seen anything of note coming from them for years. Oh, meetings and demonstrations, yes, cool.

 

To this very day, Russia refuses to give any prior notice of their space and missile launches. We are the ones that have to inform every other friendly nation what you are doing.

 

Russia does not participate in the TIP program, either. We do it all, with the exception of the Canadians, who work alongside with us for the defense of North America.

[Sarya]

Mmm, so? What does it have to do with what i said?

[Varus Torvyn]

Well, I can't expect everyone to understand the duplicity and deception that we have had to combat ever since Russia changed from czarism to communism.

[Sarya]

Deception? You say about it to me? After all those accidentally missing facts in your press?

[Varus Torvyn]

By the way, Sarya, I don't blame the regular Russians. It's your government I cannot stand. They have a horrible record on the way they treat the Russian people. Look at what they did to the Ukraine. Cut off their natural gas supplies.

 

The European Union goofed bigtime. If they hadn't voiced an opinion against Ukraine, Georgia, and others, they'd all be in NATO now, and Russia wouldn't have dared go into Georgia if they had been a NATO member.