Anime

[WoogieMonster]

Well Final Fantasy is its own universe (like Star Wars) so getting into that might completely derail your topic. I'm a FF fan myself, goodness knows I've spread the hype about the Hiyoko Store as much as I could, but while I think it's cool to have some clothing and items to play around with, I personally would not like a FF conversion. If it got that serious, I'd just buy FF 11 or one of the 8000 other FF games.

 

Some of the FF worlds do look a lot like Cyrodiil and the basic weapons are the same (not counting size) so I am not surprised so much stuff has been made for Oblivion. That and taking into account that Oblivion allows the one thing that no other FF game does, which is the freedom to customize and alter things to your exact preference, it makes Oblivion almost the perfect place to build your own version of a FF world.

 

For a lot of people (myself included) FF was their first and probably the deepest RPG of their childhood, so it's natural to want to see that content in other venues.

 

 

 

 

On a side note, I'd like to point out that I have never, on any forum, been this deep into a topic. I'm actually enjoying the discussion, which is extremely rare considering everyone knows that I hate everything. Hopefully, no one else will steer the conversation off topic.

[WoogieMonster]

I recently got Batman Gotham Knight Dvd and I cant watch it cause part of it is anime style... Can you imagine a Bruce Wayne in anime?

 

Every commercial I've seen for Gotham Knight makes it abundantly clear that it's anime, and the box-art is a dead giveaway, how could you not know? Anyway, that dvd is a good example of what we were talking about earlier: the different styles. You say you can't watch it because part of it is in anime style, actually all six parts are anime, they're just different styles. I'm betting the part you couldn't watch was the Bulletproof segment? That's the style shown most often on American tv, so most people recognize it pretty easily.

[macmert]

Well I didnt do a through search about Gotham Knight I just got it and tried to watch it...

 

:D

[myrmaad]

Well I didnt do a through search about Gotham Knight I just got it and tried to watch it...

 

:D

 

 

^I've never even heard of it. Imagine that!

 

 

And the cartoons I liked when I was a kid looked like this! (A Favorite!!!)

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8459036700047862929

 

In fact I love any cartoon with Witch Hazel.

http://www.videosift.com/video/Bug-Bunny-i...tick-Bunny-1956

 

 

My point? For those who may have missed it, is that age does seem to have something to do with a liking for or familiarity with anime. I can be a bit oblique.

[nosisab]

Keeping on the topic I shall say I don't like animelike content in Oblivion, but I must say the same to whatever isn't in the original lore too. But I'm talking about the random and gratuitous mess. Destroys the game and turn it a sims of sorts.

 

But there is no word, here, about elements from another source couldn't be included in a mod. If well cared it can add to the game. Is enough it brings some fun. Enterprise and Kirk gets the wrong subspace ale and find themselves lost in Nirn? OK ... a Sigil citizen takes the wrong portal and is caught in Morrowind? great. Finding a way to return home may be the very quest's soul.

 

are comics, animes, books, movies, whatever other artform childish?... No doubt it may be, indeed isn't easy to trace the point where something is childish. redhood (or whatever is her name in English) is far from being a childish story in it's origin, it's a grim tale whit no good end. Yet Groo, the wanderer isn't meant to children albeit it may seems so at first glance. By side, several titles that seems targeted to adult audience are clearly teen/childish in concept.

 

Comics have some great characters and a bunch of crap that go far beyond the ridiculous. All kind of art have the good, the bad and the ugly.

 

Must Oblivion be the stage to all kind of abuses? well, this is something each one have his own answer and shall go only for whatever he likes. As for me I'll not be the judge of what is good for others. I have several experimental works in the test environment and keep the one I use to play the way a like to play (and I must say I have yet others two environments I keep clean for development, 1.1 and 1.2 versions. sadly I haven't had the time and will to do something lately).

[Guest]

Over the past six years I believe that I have watched enough anime, though most with fleeting interest, to agree with Woogie in that there is a style/genre that most, if not all, would find interest in. However, without a previous introduction to anime in any of it's forms I find it hard to believe that most would actively seek out one that did. My first experience was either Suikoden III(an RPG for the Playstation II) or Fruits Basket(Furuba). My old best friend Crys introduced me to Fruits Basket which is my favorite anime to this day. For me it wasn't the style in which the animation was done, though the smooth and almost polished look did appeal to my eyes. Instead, it was the story line its self that had kept me glued to the couch.

 

In my opinion, that smooth, polished feel that I have seen in the more anime-based mods may be why they are quite popular. As I mentioned before I find it's appearance to my likeing. The overly round faces and eyes...I like better than the original, however don't quite fit in with Morrowind it's self, and so prefer more realistic facial features. Luckily, with the variety of mods that are available i've been able to find a balance of the two that I am content with.

[Vagrant0]

There is no simple answer to this. Anime is something which can have different meanings to different people. Regardless of the meaning, for most people it's seen as different from everything else. There are those who like this difference, and become enamored by it, and there are those who are disturbed by it. The key differences between most Anime and western cartoons is that most Anime tends to be episodic, where things that happen in one episode usually make reference to things which happened in previous episodes. Whereas most western cartoons tend to be 10-30 minutes per episode, and each episode makes almost no reference to other episodes other than sharing characters. Western cartoons can be watched and understood without ever seeing that series before. Some anime on the otherhand can be quite confusing if you happen to skip a few episodes, or pick it up half way through the season.

 

This leads into the next difference. Anime is written to fill a season, cartoons are written to perpetual until they are canceled. Through the course of an anime season, a single series tends to present a whole story, introducing characters, plot, climax, resolution. Through the course of a cartoon season, the only plot and climax which is presented is quickly resolved within the same episode rather than several episodes later. This is again so that the cartoon can be viewed and reviewed endlessly without being linked to other episodes. Cartoons are cancelled and setup to go on nearly endless re-runs based on who buys the series. Anime on the other hand rarely gets cancelled, but instead is only bought one season at a time, when a season finishes it only goes through re-runs if it is popular, but almost always ends up being released to DvD to generate more money from the franchise. The series which get turned into the posterchild of "anime" are actually those series which do not normally follow this pattern. Series like Dragon Ball Z, Pokemon, Naruto, and now Bleach are given preferred status, and are bought seasons in advance because they were so popular and so good at selling advertisments. This subset isn't indicative of what all anime is, but instead just shows what the more popular market is looking for. Often this group is aimed toward young male children, 6-12 years old, and rarely shows value that more mature audiences would appreciate. Although this has gotten better in more recent years, the black mark left by the pokemon craze, and the dumbing down and butchering of the series for import has made the series harder to tolerate for anyone of intelligence.

 

It is usually after the season has run that foreign companies start looking at how the anime performs within a market, and if it would make a good transition to their own market. Depending on how well they think that anime can go mainstream in their own country, they may decide to dub it, (replace japanese with their own spoken/written language (often changing conventions and character names)) sub it, (keep the same audio, but try to provide some written subtitles so that non-speakers can know what is being said (some are better than others) butcher it, (blur images, change images, change both meaning and images, or remove whole scenes/episodes which they feel wouldn't be appropiate for their audience). Series which are shown on TV tend to go through both dubbing and butchering, often removing those parts which make the series as popular as it is, or just distorting it into something unintelligable. Series which are just released to DvD within another country tend to only have Dubs or Subs on them as the DvDs are aimed for anime fans within that country who wouldn't stand to have a series adapted to be better digested for their culture.

 

Why do I say all this... Because some people get particular ideas about anime just because they only see a small fraction of it on Cartoon Network. They think that it has to all be violent, have giant robots, big swords, and be barren of deeper meanings. This isn't the case, just like you can't get a good understanding of what car culture is by going to an auto show. Both are highly commercialized and consturcted for easier digestion by the public. And both present something which, although related, does not describe all there is to that culture or that medium.

 

That said, I'm with you on alot of this, bringing in anime related mods to a non-anime game just makes things look bad. People who become fanatic about a single series, especially a series which is older than they are, just makes it look bad for others. FFVII was cool... 10 years ago (not really, you'd be harassed, called a geek, or beaten up if you wore the shirt that came with pre-ordering the game). Some people really just need to move on and see what else is out there. As anime becomes more main stream, it is really those who are so fanatic, and so focused in one aspect which does more to prevent others from showing real interest, or even giving that form of media a chance. And because of this, the only types of series which people are exposed to are those which are geared toward more simple minds.

 

I watch anime, not because it's cool, or because a series really speaks to me, but because it's different. Anime, atleast the unbutchered variety, often presents concepts and ideas which are not found in western media. As mentioned, it can also have more depth of plot and characters. Because of this, I approach it more of art than entertainment, I enjoy the stories and characters which are presented, and take note how one series influences or gets referenced to by others. It allows me to clear my head and relax much the same way that jogging or reading a book might help others. I don't go to conventions, I don't own stacks of DvDs and Manga, I don't obsess and promote any single series, I simply try to enjoy and appreciate what is there, and available for whatever value it has outside of cultural concerns.

[Kresselack]

Vagrant, I appreciate that point of view. You like it because it simply entertained you. You did not let a craze change you into something you are not.

 

This point of view i do not understand:

 

Oh plz plz show me your character with the trenchcoat and katana plzzz! ='-'= XD <----- What is the point of this bullcrap?

[Skotte]

Vagrant, I appreciate that point of view. You like it because it simply entertained you. You did not let a craze change you into something you are not.

 

This point of view i do not understand:

 

Oh plz plz show me your character with the trenchcoat and katana plzzz! ='-'= XD <----- What is the point of this bullcrap?

 

Well, Trenchcoats & katanas can be considdered "cool", but that (to me) sounds more like someone trying to sound "leet" than an anime-possessed soul.

[Blacksnake89]

To answer your questions:

1) Moderate.

2) Watching it on late night TV when nothing else was on.

3) I'm a writer and a story teller, I love a good story.

 

Now for my rant on the subject. My first anime I saw when I started getting into stories was Cowboy Beebop. It is still my favorite anime because of it's story. Untill then I was watching american cartoons for entertainment and the stories seemed to end in the same cliche way, the hero always won. When I saw the last 3 episodes of Beebop I was in awe at the story. I was at the edge of my seat during the final fight between Spike and Viscious. By the time the ending credits started rolling I felt a well of emotions I didn't feel when watching other shows. I personally like anime for the stories and for that same reason I'll watch anything that has a good story regardless of who made it or what art style it's in. My personal favorite anime's are Cowbow Beebop, Code Geass, Gantz, D. Gray man, and Death Note.

I watch anime, not because it's cool, or because a series really speaks to me, but because it's different. Anime, atleast the unbutchered variety, often presents concepts and ideas which are not found in western media. As mentioned, it can also have more depth of plot and characters. Because of this, I approach it more of art than entertainment, I enjoy the stories and characters which are presented, and take note how one series influences or gets referenced to by others. It allows me to clear my head and relax much the same way that jogging or reading a book might help others. I don't go to conventions, I don't own stacks of DvDs and Manga, I don't obsess and promote any single series, I simply try to enjoy and appreciate what is there, and available for whatever value it has outside of cultural concerns.

This about explains it for me aswell

 

As for mods I have downloaded a few of those mods that add something from an anime or is stylized like an anime. Not for love of of an anime but because I find that specific item might look cool or match a set. Here's an example I downloaded a mod that had an ANBU mask from the naruto series to use with my character Drukon. I used this mask because it matched the style of Drukon who is a tabaxi assassin. He is fierce, savage, and merciless so a mask of an animal that embodies these traits seemed a perfect match. The mask also happened to be white and red like the Hashasin armor he wears.

I never cought on with the craze, because I saw a lot of repetition. For example, there is a person looking moody on a cliffside pondering about something, such as "what is my destiny or meaning in life", or why is this lad feeling ashamed of women finding him fancy, and then feeling uncomfortabe.

This is a very stereotypical vision of anime seen often but it is not an acurate depiction. This is like saying all mexicans like burritos after seeing a comercial about burritos. Like many things anime has many different variations. Some have an emo/gothic style to them, some have a techno/popculture style, some have deep storylines, some have mindless violence, some are funny, and some are plain strange. Like many things it's all a matter of what your taste is.