kakistokrat Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 removing a cyclic rule, clicking every line makes vortex go unresponsive for 30-60 seconds. sometimes this is the case when closing a rule window for a mod. no downloads present, auto deploy shut off. quite massive load order. 700 mods, 350 plugins. things have been getting gradually worse the more s*** i throw in there. there must be around 500 mod order rules, way fewer plugin order rules. tbh i'm starting weighing pros and cons of redoing the entire fkn thing in mo2, this slowdown is becoming unbearable. apart from this i am totally pro vortex, but installing a few mods takes at least ten times too much time as it is. will try 0.17.1 now and see if i see improvements. Hang on, 700 mods, 370 PLUGINS, are you MERGING these plugins at all with a Bashed Patch, or MergeTool, or MatorSmash or Xedit?Because you can't just install 700 mods and expect them all to work. (I'm assuming you're talking about a Bethesda game), they can only handle 255 MAXThere's a limit on how many mods a game can handle Also, I agree with 1ae0bfb8, you shouldn't need 500+ Sorting Rules, that right there is where a lot of your slowdown is. about 150 are ESL plugins - the game runs fine in the limited testing i'm doing while installing. no merges necessary yet. but every time i get an overwrite conflict vortex tells me to put a sorting rule in place? is it not the point to handle conflict in this way? how else? Yes, you need a sorting rule, such as Mod B LOAD AFTER Mod A.If you set up a rule like that, you only need that ONE rule, you don't need to make another rule that says Mod A LOAD BEFORE Mod B EXAMPLE: right! i think i probably have close to 100% "both ways" rules. still tho, if 500 is a correct estimate of my total number of rules that would leave 250, roughly same ballpark, of "legitimate" rules, if this is a serious slowdown issue, is it avoidable? also, 0.17 with the big popup multi rule window pretty much got rid of the problem i had before, now things are maybe not perfectly snappy but very workable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadToRegister Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 right! i think i probably have close to 100% "both ways" rules. still tho, if 500 is a correct estimate of my total number of rules that would leave 250, roughly same ballpark, of "legitimate" rules, if this is a serious slowdown issue, is it avoidable? also, 0.17 with the big popup multi rule window pretty much got rid of the problem i had before, now things are maybe not perfectly snappy but very workable. Nice, can't wait for the stable release of 0.17.1 then, the rule window is pretty powerful. Yea, if you get familiar enough with editing the rules, you'll be able to remove ONE each of the BOTH WAY rules. "MOD A BEFORE MOD B" can be eliminated as long as there a "MOD B AFTER MOD A" rule, etc etc Sounds like you're taking the time to learn Vortex, especailly the rules part, after a while it'll become second nature and you'll be setting up rules in just a minute or two, (well, maybe more if you're still using 700 mods) :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakistokrat Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 think i know every in and out of mod organizer and i need to get vortex up to the same level, i'm one of those ppl who will spend hundreds of hours trying to get semiincompatible stuff working together and making custom patches to build a very extensive and personal skyrim, and then not play it:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneYandros Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Count me as another who was experiencing horrible freezing every time there was a deployment - upwards of 2-3 minutes often where Vortex was non-responsive. I just upgraded to 0.17 and was able to disable a mod and immediately interact with the UI after the deployment was done, so kudos for fixing it. However, after leaving Vortex running for a few minutes afterwards, it crashed and restarted. I'll leave it at 0.17 for now but look forward to when this fix is included in a Stable release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeTheMightOne Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 I think there's been a small improvement with performance. Great work on the new update. There are still lots of freezes and slow downs though.Also, that new rules page update is nice. In the future, a small visual connection between the paired rules (rules for the same mods but opposite direction) would be good. Right now having double the number of entries gets confusing.Perhaps the paired rules can be spaced closer together and have a small graphic element denoting the fact that they deal with the same two mods. Right now they look like a separate entry, which can look confusing. I will also send this as a suggestion via feedback.Still, huge improvement in functionality and much less confusion once I got used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nymaen Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Things are still a bit slow, but there is considerable improvement from where I first started this thread. The delay before starting to deploy is less and there is less hanging at the end of the deploy. I also noticed that downloading no longer interferes with deployment, so yay! There are still UI freezes after deployment that can last 5 - 10 seconds. Good step forward, but there is still some work here. Thanks for being responsive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonicmitch Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 I have downloaded version 0.17.1 and it does not have the issue of slowness but it crashes all the time. I cannot even have enough time to send in a crash report ..BUT the slowness is gone. Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:13:56 GMT - info: Vortex Version 0.17.1Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:13:56 GMT - info: using C:\Users\Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\Vortex as the storage directoryWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:13:57 GMT - info: python not found not found: pythonWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:00 GMT - error: failed to read license files ENOENT: no such file or directory, open 'C:\Program Files\Black Tree Gaming Ltd\Vortex\resources\app.asar\assets\modules.json'Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:00 GMT - info: python not found not found: pythonWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=settings_interfaceWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=settings_applicationWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=about_dialogWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=diagnostics_filesWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=dashboardWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=starter_dashletWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=firststeps_dashletWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=mod_managementWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=category_managementWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=profile_managementWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=nexus_integrationWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=download_managementWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=gamemode_managementWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=announcement_dashletWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=symlink_activatorWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=symlink_activator_elevateWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=hardlink_activatorWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=move_activatorWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=updaterWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=installer_fomodWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=installer_nested_fomodWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=settings_metaserverWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=test_runnerWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=extension_managerWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=ini_prepWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=news_dashletWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=sticky_modsWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=browserWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=changelog-dashletWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=common-interpretersWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=documentationWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=feedbackWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=fnis-integrationWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-7daystodieWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-breakingwheelWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-darksoulsWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-darksouls2Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-dragonageWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-dragonage2Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-dragons-dogmaWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-factorioWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-fallout3Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-fallout4Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-fallout4vrWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-falloutnvWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-grimrockWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-kerbalspaceprogramWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-kingdomcome-deliveranceWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-monster-hunter-worldWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-morrowindWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-mount-and-bladeWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-neverwinter-nightsWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-nomansskyWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-oblivionWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-pathfinderkingmakerWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-pillarsofeternity2Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-sims3Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-sims4Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-skyrimWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-skyrimseWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-skyrimvrWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-starboundWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-stardewvalleyWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-starsectorWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-stateofdecayWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-subnauticaWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-sw-kotorWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-tesoWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-warthunderWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-witcher2Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-witcher3Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-worldoftanksWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-x4foundationsWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-xcom2Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=game-xrebirthWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=gamebryo-archive-invalidationWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=gamebryo-bsa-supportWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=gamebryo-plugin-indexlockWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=gamebryo-plugin-managementWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=gamebryo-savegame-managementWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=gamebryo-test-settingsWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=gameinfo-steamWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=issue-trackerWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=local-gamesettingsWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=meta-editorWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=mo-importWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=mod-dependency-managerWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=mod-highlightWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=modtype-dinputWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=modtype-dragonageWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=modtype-enbWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=modtype-gedosatoWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=morrowind-plugin-managementWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=mtframework-arc-supportWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=nmm-import-toolWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=open-directoryWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=test-gameversionWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: init extension name=theme-switcherWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: all extensions initializedWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: register protocol protocol=nxmWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: deregister protocolWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: deregister protocolWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: register protocol protocol=httpWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:01 GMT - info: register protocol protocol=httpsWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:02 GMT - info: found game location=C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Skyrim Special Edition\, name=Skyrim Special EditionWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:02 GMT - info: potential match C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Skyrim Special Edition\skse64_loader.exeWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:02 GMT - info: potential match C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Skyrim Special Edition\skse64_loader.exeWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:02 GMT - info: read font C:\Program Files\Black Tree Gaming Ltd\Vortex\resources\app.asar\assets\fonts\icons.svgWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:03 GMT - info: potential match C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Skyrim Special Edition\Data\tools\GenerateFNIS_for_Users\GenerateFNISforUsers.exeWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:03 GMT - info: potential match C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Skyrim Special Edition\skse\skse64_2_00_11\skse64_loader.exeWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:03 GMT - info: potential match C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Skyrim Special Edition\Data\tools\GenerateFNIS_for_Users\GenerateFNISforUsers.exeWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:03 GMT - info: potential match C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Skyrim Special Edition\skse\skse64_2_00_11\skse64_loader.exeWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:03 GMT - info: changed game mode newMode=skyrimseWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:03 GMT - info: updated loot masterlist falseWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:07 GMT - info: set channelWed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:09 GMT - info: no update available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelandarian Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 I have 68 mods (a light load compared to some others), running Vortex 0.17.7 on an SSD, and deployment specifically takes several minutes to complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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