Load Order problems

jlouise141 · July 7, 2012

hello,

I have a problem with Skyrim that when I open and load my last save it the game closes immedietly, I dont know why but I have check my mods and there are no incompatibilites and followed how they are suppose to be place in the load order (put if its last or first) but everytime I start skyrim and Continue / Load my last save, the game crashes to desktop without any error or such. can anyone help me ?

Load Order:

Skyrim.esm
Lycanthropy_Audio_by_Brevi.esm
Update.esm
SkyMoMod.esm
WARZONES - Civil Unrest.esm
Ultimate Witcher MOD.esm
ApachiiHair.esm
MagicDuel.esm
Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
moonpath.esm
CastlevaniaDemo.esm
SoS - The Dungeons.esp
SoS - The Wilds.esp
SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp
BuildableHouse.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
83Willows_101BUGS_V4_LowRes.esp
ReadIt.esp
HargathorsFolly.esp
HoodsAndCirclets.esp
Catsofskyrim.esp
Dogsofskyrim.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
dbmisc.esp
HunterTraps.esp
Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Default.esp
SabreFurBag.esp
1nivWICCloaks.esp
DEATH-DEALER.esp
Artifact Disenchanting.esp
hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
Dragonbone Weapons.esp
DragonHideRobeArmor.esp
FlameAtronachArmor.esp
FullBootForKKSA.esp
Oblivion hair.esp
Oblivion hair2.esp
Knight Of Thorns Armor.esp
WayoftheVoice2.esp
FactionOverhaulV25.esp
Monster Wars.esp
niflheim1.esp
Pirate Sharphook.esp
Quest_SeaOfGhosts.esp
WARZONES - Optional Performance Pack.esp
Masters of Death.esp
Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp
armored-horses.esp
Ash Pile Expiration.esp
DiversePriests.esp
Killable Children.esp
Killable Children - Quest Important Protected.esp
More Dynamic Shadows.esp
Radiant and Unique Potions and Poisons.esp
ApachiiHairStyles.esp
ApachiiHairStylesELVES.esp
Spousetocustomhome.esp
DragonWordsDisplayed.esp
Dynamic TimeScale.esp
WATER.esp
Follower Map Markers.esp
Necessary Map Markers (all files included).esp
EzEWorldMap.esp
Kuun's angels drop armor.esp
WerewolfAftermathAutoEquipper.esp
Ulfric Stormcloak - Allow Shouting.esp
The Grotto-Arena for Skyrim.esp
DarkDescentRobes.esp
Creepy Dungeons.esp
Whiterun Guard Followers.esp
moonpath_questdata.esp
Realistic Lighting.esp
Realistic Lighting Patcher.esp
Dark Light Templates.esp
Improved Combat Sounds v2.1.esp
RevampedExteriorFog.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp
Better Dynamic Snow.esp
dynamic fires.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp
posesivecorpses.esp
Realistic werewolf speed.esp
Stronger Daedric Artifacts.esp
Unlimited Charge for Daedric Artifacts.esp
UnlimitedEnchantments.esp
QuickShouts.esp
Realistic Lighting - Addon.esp
DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp
IMAGINATOR - Visual Control for Skyrim.esp
iHUD.esp
Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
Naruto - Overhaul.esp
jutsu.esp
Phenderix's Magic Evolved.esp
MountedCasting.esp
DeadlyCombat.esp
DeadlyCombat_GiantsAIFix.esp
DeadlyCombat_NoArmorChanges.esp
DeadlyCombat_NoAttackDistance.esp
DeadlyCombat_NoBlockChanges.esp
DeadlyCombat_NoDamageChanges.esp
DeadlyCombat_NoStaminaChanges.esp
DeadlyCombat_PISE_Patch.esp
DeadlyCombat_UnarmedFix.esp
Duel - Combat Realism.esp
ImmediateDragons.esp
DeadlyDragons.esp
DragonsDiversified.esp
AV1Dragon_Lords.esp
DeadlyDiversifiedDragonsPatch.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
BFSEffects.esp
Titan Bash.esp
Proper Aiming.esp
Sneak Tools.esp
Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp
Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp
SkyRe_Combat.esp
SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp
SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp
SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp
SkyRe_Main.esp
SkyRe_Races.esp
SkyRe_StandingStones.esp
SkyRe_Vampirism.esp
Tytanis.esp
Enchanting Freedom.esp
FormsEdit.esp
Ultimate Witcher Experience - Follower Geralt.esp
Ultimate Witcher Experience - Follower Iorveth.esp
Ulyimate Witcher Exerience - Follower Triss.esp
ultimate witcher Experiance - Followers.esp
The Dance of Death.esp
SkyMoMod Extras Collectables.esp
SkyMoMod_lists.esp
ScenicCarriages.esp
UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp
Lycanthropy_Main_by_Brevi.esp
ASIS-Dependency.esp
ASIS.esp

BabattKhan · July 7, 2012

It could just be that you're running too many (and too heavy-duty) mods for your machine. Consider when this started to occur (did you add one or more mods to cause the ctds?) If you really don't have a clue as to why you started crashing, I would start removing mods and testing which combinations/amount of modded content works. I'm no expert, but I thought I'd throw my 2 cents your way since nobody else posted. Good Luck.

jlouise141 · July 7, 2012

my machine is:

Nvidia Geforce GT220

Intel Core i7

Memory 2gb

500gb hard disk

maybe your right I should remove mods and try if it runs fine.thanks :D

Hoamaii · July 7, 2012

Hi,

Just noticed that we both run on similar GPUs - mine is GeForce GT230, with 6Gb RAM - and yeah, I'd bet on too many mods too. I'd be especially careful with Graphic mods as they can affect any part of the game - and our GPUs are not fit for that. My experience is sometimes mods that are not incompatible per se can still make you crash in particular areas. Have you tried loading a previous save from another area?

Best of luck to you.

jlouise141 · July 9, 2012

On 7/7/2012 at 5:52 PM, Hoamaii said:
 Hi, Just noticed that we both run on similar GPUs - mine is GeForce GT230, with 6Gb RAM - and yeah, I'd bet on too many mods too. I'd be especially careful with Graphic mods as they can affect any part of the game - and our GPUs are not fit for that. My experience is sometimes mods that are not incompatible per se can still make you crash in particular areas. Have you tried loading a previous save from another area? Best of luck to you.

here's the story, I have an old computer that is: AMD Anthlon™ II X2 245 Processor Memory 2 GB Nvidia Geforce GT220 500 GB hard disk with these mods:

<br>
<br>
Skyrim.esm<br>
Lycanthropy_Audio_by_Brevi.esm<br>
Update.esm<br>
SkyMoMod.esm<br>
MagicDuel.esm<br>
BlackTowerArmory.esm<br>
SoS - The Wilds.esp<br>
SoS - The Dungeons.esp<br>
WARZONES - Civil Unrest.esm<br>
CLARALUX - More and Brighter Lights.esm<br>
moonpath.esm<br>
ApachiiHair.esm<br>
Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm<br>
iHUD.esp<br>
BFSEffects.esp<br>
SkyMoMod_lists.esp<br>
SkyMoMod_morespawns_vampire.esp<br>
SkyMoMod_morespawns_mage.esp<br>
SkyMoMod_morespawns_forsworn.esp<br>
SkyMoMod_morespawns_falmer.esp<br>
SkyMoMod_morespawns_dwerven.esp<br>
SkyMoMod_morespawns_draugr.esp<br>
SkyMoMod_morespawns_bandit.esp<br>
SkyMoMod_morespawns_animal.esp<br>
SkyMoMod Extras Collectables.esp<br>
SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp<br>
Monster Wars.esp<br>
Catsofskyrim.esp<br>
Dogsofskyrim.esp<br>
Phenderix's Magic Evolved.esp<br>
Phenderix AI Add-On.esp<br>
UnlimitedEnchantments.esp<br>
DragonHideRobeArmor.esp<br>
Knight Of Thorns Armor.esp<br>
Dragonbone Weapons.esp<br>
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp<br>
WATER.esp<br>
dbmisc.esp<br>
SabreFurBag.esp<br>
Necessary Map Markers (all files included).esp<br>
BlackSacramentArmor.esp<br>
WARZONES - Optional Performance Pack.esp<br>
FactionOverhaulV25.esp<br>
BlackTowerUpdate.esp<br>
83Willows_101BUGS_V4_LowRes.esp<br>
Kuun's angels drop armor.esp<br>
Masters of Death.esp<br>
Killable Children.esp<br>
Killable Children - Quest Important Protected.esp<br>
posesivecorpses.esp<br>
Realistic werewolf speed.esp<br>
RevampedExteriorFog.esp<br>
Enchanting Freedom.esp<br>
The Dance of Death 3.0 Beta.esp<br>
dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp<br>
ReadIt.esp<br>
Dynamic TimeScale.esp<br>
Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp<br>
EzEWorldMap.esp<br>
ScenicCarriages.esp<br>
WerewolfAftermathAutoEquipper.esp<br>
Further Dark Dungeons for ENB.esp<br>
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp<br>
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp<br>
Ulfric Stormcloak - Allow Shouting.esp<br>
HunterTraps.esp<br>
Better Dynamic Snow.esp<br>
Spousetocustomhome.esp<br>
Dragon Drop - Scales 4 EN.esp<br>
Dragon Drop - Scales 5 EN.esp<br>
Dragon Drop - Scales 6 EN.esp<br>
Dragon Drop - Scales 7 EN.esp<br>
Dragon Drop - Scales 8 EN.esp<br>
Dragon Drop - Scales 9 EN.esp<br>
Dragon Drop - Scales 10 EN.esp<br>
Dragon Drop - Bone 0 EN.esp<br>
Dragon Drop - Bone 1 EN.esp<br>
Dragon Drop - Bone 2 EN.esp<br>
Dragon Drop - Bone 3 EN.esp<br>
Dragon Drop - Bone 4 EN.esp<br>
Dragon Drop - Bone 5 EN.esp<br>
Dragon Drop - Bone 6 EN.esp<br>
Dragon Drop - Bone 7 EN.esp<br>
Dragon Drop - Bone 8 EN.esp<br>
Dragon Drop - Bone 9 EN.esp<br>
Dragon Drop - Bone 10 EN.esp<br>
Dragon Drop - Bone 11EN.esp<br>
Dragon Drop - Bone 12 EN.esp<br>
Dragon Drop - Bone 13 EN.esp<br>
Dragon Drop - Bone 14 EN.esp<br>
Dragon Drop - Bone 15 EN.esp<br>
Dragon Drop - Scales 0 EN.esp<br>
Dragon Drop - Scales 1 EN.esp<br>
Dragon Drop - Scales 2 EN.esp<br>
Dragon Drop - Scales 3 EN.esp<br>
Dr_Bandolier.esp<br>
Radiant and Unique Potions and Poisons.esp<br>
The Grotto-Arena for Skyrim.esp<br>
DarkDescentRobes.esp<br>
moonpath_questdata.esp<br>
WayoftheVoice2.esp<br>
DiversePriests.esp<br>
Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp<br>
1nivWICCloaks.esp<br>
Dark Light Templates.esp<br>
Creepy Dungeons.esp<br>
Whiterun Guard Followers.esp<br>
Chesko_WearableLantern.esp<br>
Ash Pile Expiration.esp<br>
HargathorsFolly.esp<br>
Artifact Disenchanting.esp<br>
FormsEdit.esp<br>
Unlimited Charge for Daedric Artifacts.esp<br>
bound weapons redux.esp<br>
DeadlyCombat.esp<br>
DeadlyCombat_GiantsAIFix.esp<br>
DeadlyCombat_NoArmorChanges.esp<br>
DeadlyCombat_NoAttackDistance.esp<br>
DeadlyCombat_NoDamageChanges.esp<br>
DeadlyCombat_NoStaminaChanges.esp<br>
DeadlyCombat_UnarmedFix.esp<br>
Duel - Combat Realism.esp<br>
Sweeping Onehanders.esp<br>
Sweeping TwoHanders.esp<br>
Titan Bash.esp<br>
Improved Combat Sounds v2.0.esp<br>
ImmediateDragons.esp<br>
NarutoWoodElf.esp<br>
NarutoOrc.esp<br>
NarutoNarutoKhajiit.esp<br>
NarutoHuman.esp<br>
NarutoHighElf.esp<br>
NarutoDarkElf.esp<br>
NarutoArgonian.esp<br>
jutsu.esp<br>
DragonsDiversified.esp<br>
AV1Dragon_Lords.esp<br>
DeadlyDiversifiedDragonsPatch.esp<br>
DeadlyDragons.esp<br>
Stronger Daedric Artifacts.esp<br>
HoodsAndCirclets.esp<br>
armored-horses.esp<br>
MountedCasting.esp<br>
Convenient Horses.esp<br>
Follower Map Markers.esp<br>
UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp<br>
Lycanthropy_Main_by_Brevi.esp<br>
Tytanis.esp<br>
SkyRe_Combat.esp<br>
SkyRe_Enemies.esp<br>
SkyRe_Main.esp<br>
SkyRe_Races.esp<br>
SkyRe_StandingStones.esp<br>
SkyRe_Vampirism.esp<br>
More Dynamic Shadows.esp<br>
Realistic Lighting.esp<br>
ASIS-Dependency.esp<br>
ASIS.esp<br>

and they run fine with 18-40 fps. Now I have a new computer which is: Nvidia Geforce GT220<div>Intel Core i7</div><div>Memory 2gb</div><div>500gb hard disk and I install it with some mods that my old computer can't handle, the mods in my first post. And I downloaded a save game that is <a href="http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/7707/" class="bbc_url" title="External link" rel="nofollow external">http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/7707/</a> so that I dont have to ride the carriage and wait a long time for it to arrive at helgen., but now when I start the game and load the save, the game crashes to desktop, so now i've come here to find help about my load order. can you help me? <img src="http://forums.nexusmods.com/public/style_emoticons/dark/biggrin.gif" class="bbc_emoticon" alt=":D">

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Edited July 9, 2012 by jlouise141

jlouise141 · July 9, 2012

hey my reply post just got... I dont know what happen to that, but I cant post/edit that because it keeps

messsing up the other words with "asdasda dasdada"vbbsaba" sdas131423" and stuff, but try to understand it http://forums.nexusmods.com/public/style_emoticons/dark/whistling.gif

I did not make it like that, some problem with the editor maybe http://forums.nexusmods.com/public/style_emoticons/dark/huh.gif

Edited July 9, 2012 by jlouise141

SFBryan18 · July 9, 2012

Have you tried Boss? Right away I noticed that many of those mods are in the wrong place...

But also, that's a lot of mods for 2gb ram. Even though your Nvidia does most of the work, you still need a lot of ram to run that many mods. I have about have that amount with 12 GB ram and an Nvidia 560m 3gb, and I barely cut it. Maybe you should dump the ones you don't need. But try Boss first.

jlouise141 · July 9, 2012

On 7/9/2012 at 10:15 AM, SFBryan18 said:
Have you tried Boss? Right away I noticed that many of those mods are in the wrong place...

But also, that's a lot of mods for 2gb ram. Even though your Nvidia does most of the work, you still need a lot of ram to run that many mods. I have about have that amount with 12 GB ram and an Nvidia 560m 3gb, and I barely cut it. Maybe you should dump the ones you don't need. But try Boss first.

tried BOSS already and anyway I dont think that my Videocard and Memorycard is the problem of skyrim CTD. I haven't really tried experimenting (removing mods and see if it does not CTD). I can't do that now because it's time wasting, it's school time now and make assignments. I can do that this Saturday and Sunday, but you guys could just point me the problem here and help me.

By the way, im from Philippines, meaning our time is different. xD

Edited July 9, 2012 by jlouise141

SFBryan18 · July 9, 2012

Well, too many mods will cause the game to crash from an overload. This could happen to even the best computers simply because of the way Skyrim will run into errors and stop working. This is my guess... I think a program that shows that there are no conflicts only shows that the mods all edit different things, but doesn't show that the scripts and stuff will run smoothly. So no conflicts show, but the game loads different scripts that are too difficult to load together, and BAM. So yea, cut the unnecessary mods out for sure.

Deleted4782829User · July 9, 2012

I'm experienced in having the game CTD soo much, that i took the time to learn how to order, my load order manually, i find it the best of all the ways, sure boss can set the first stones but it's easier to build the house oneself.

First off you have TOO MANY MODS!!! i really mean it and you only have 2gigs of ram, not enough for all those mods.

Well let me see, what i can do to help.

First step go to C:\Users\YOUR USER NAME\AppData\Local\Skyrim

in here you will find a text file called "plugins"

this is the easiest to edit the load order manually, open it and there is all the active mods, you can arrange them, by simple cut and paste them where you want them to be, easy? yes so far,

but you have to know that if you use this way, you'll have to make a backup of that file somewhere on your pc, since i you open nexus mod manager, it will arrange them in the way it has them arranged.

okay, step two...

step two is the hard part, removing any mod that is not essential for your game, i mean even with all those awesome mods out there, skyrim just can't take them all, so you'll have to chose which to keep and which to remove.

by deleting the name of the mod in the "plugins" text file, that mod which you delete will then be disabled.

also now that i notice you have "BlackTowerArmory.esm" and "moonpath.esm" installed, from personal experience those two don't work together and also never have that many .esm files as they demand more than a .esp file, but the .esm file is more stable and more suitable for bigger mods.

Step 3..

This is my load order

CLARALUX - More and Brighter Lights.esm

ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

ApachiiHair.esm

MagicDuel.esm

MTOH.esp

Oblivion hair.esp

FallOut3Hairs.esp

HighResTexturePack01.esp

HighResTexturePack02.esp

Magnus50.esp

Magnus100.esp

Magnus20.esp

Shadow Striping Fix.esp

HighResTexturePackFix.esp

StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp

DFG's Blade & Dagger Sheathe Sounds.esp

Improved Combat Sounds v2.0.esp

Rooster At Dawn v1.0.esp

SoS - The Dungeons.esp

SoS - The Wilds.esp

enhanced soundtrack 01.esp

enhanced soundtrack 02.esp

moregrass.esp

morevillageanimals.esp

Crimson Tide - Blood.esp

DSpSoB.esp

Weapons and Armor fixes.esp

Weapons and Armor fixes - Hacks.esp

WATER.esp

WATER - Get Wet.esp

83Willows_101BUGS_V4_HighRes.esp

BetterFishAdded.esp

birds.esp

ImprovedSkillBooks.esp

improvedquestbooks.esp

mintylightningmod.esp

Cloaks.esp

1nivWICCloaks.esp

1nivWICCloaksCRAFT.esp

Northborn Fur Hoods.esp

alduin's son.esp

DaedricCorset.esp

DBShreddedTriss.esp

RobedSteelPlateArmor.esp

EI.esp

LFArmors.esp

Night_Dweller_Armor.esp

warmagearmor.esp

BloodsteelArmor.esp

BlutstahlRüstung.esp

MageFriendlyDragonPriestMasks.esp

DaggerCraft.esp

Dread Knight Weapon Set.esp

twohanded dawnbreaker.esp

Bucklers-Complete.esp

arrowsstick.esp

AT - Faster Arrows Improved +100%.esp

AT - Progressive Damage (BS and CCO).esp

RealFireArrows.esp

Auto Unequip Arrows.esp

Realistic werewolf speed.esp

Sickly Diseases.esp

SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp

Spells Cast Light.esp

VariousGuardReplacer.esp

Masters of Death.esp

apocalypse.esp

JoOMassLightning.esp

Warmer Magic Lights v2.esp

Animated Enchantments.esp

Balanced_Alteraton.esp

Balanced_Conjuration.esp

Balanced_Destruction.esp

Balanced_Illusion.esp

Balanced_Restoration.esp

Balanced_Magic_Novice.esp

Balanced_Magic_Master.esp

Balanced_Magic_Adept.esp

Better Hunting.esp

Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp

milk.esp

recipeingots.esp

Earrings Set1.esp

jbs_item_breakdown.esp

DeadlyDragons.esp

DeadlyDragonsArmory.esp

Ars Metallica.esp

Smithing Perks Overhaul - Balanced.esp

Complete Crafting Overhaul.esp

CookingExpanded.esp

Equip more Rings (2).esp

usable lantern.esp

People Have Lanterns.esp

giant dragon.esp

greatwyrm.esp

werewolvesofskyrim.esp

HigherLevelEnemies.esp

Duel - Combat Realism.esp

Deadly Traps.esp

ShoutCD.esp

ignitetheworld.esp

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Medium.esp

Convenient Horses.esp

DynamicMerchants.esp

disablelydiatradedialog.esp

moveitLWT.esp

sec_friendsforever.esp

Follower Trap Safety.esp

UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp

armored-horses.esp

marriagemod - alpha v3.esp

bome-divorce.esp

BetterQuestObjectives.esp

BR_HoodCirclets.esp

hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

[mpx]raceheights.esp

skyui.esp

skyforge_map_marker.esp

RiverwoodHuntingCabin.esp

Monkey Business.esp

ktxcompleteskyforge.esp

posesivecorpses.esp

shorter_respawns.esp

DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp

Baby Dragons.esp

Detailed Cities.esp

detailed outskirts.esp

Open Cities Skyrim.esp

iHUD.esp

Better Dynamic Snow.esp

MoreSnowWindyand75percentLessView.esp

realrainBWRLWC2_2.esp

More Dynamic Shadows.esp

Realistic Lighting.esp

enhancedlightingforrealisticlighting.esp

if you notice that the load order is organized in fields..

we'll start from the top and down.

===

CLARALUX - More and Brighter Lights.esm

ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

ApachiiHair.esm

MagicDuel.esm

===

as you see here the .esm files should always be at the top no matter what.

.esm files that adds a lot to skyrim should be at the top, so the smaller mods can overlap some of the minor changes.

also i see that you have "Skyrim.esm" at the top, that doesn't do anything really, BUT you don't have update.esm underneath it, this can course troubles.

===

MTOH.esp

Oblivion hair.esp

FallOut3Hairs.esp

hair mods should be as high as they can get, whit out getting above any .esm files.

===

texture mods should be next.

then any texture FIX mods..

after that sound mods, mods that add sounds or replace skyrim sounds.

===

now it's the mod that add smaller things, whitout really touching skyrim.

i have my armor fixes next, works fine for me..

===

the next should be self-explanatory.

====

lets look at the bottom now.

at the very end you have "ASIS-Dependency.esp" and "ASIS.esp", which i believe is correct, for that mod.

normally all mods that touch the lightning in the game would be at the bottom but that is correct that those 2 need to be down there i beleive.

above lightning mods, should be shadow mods..

above those, should be any mod that alters the skyrim weather, like more rain or snow.

i have iHud right over the "Better Dynamic Snow.esp" mod, it sits pretty good there..

===

Detailed Cities.esp

detailed outskirts.esp

Open Cities Skyrim.esp

===

now this is properly the most essential mods for me and the order is correct, "Open Cities Skyrim.esp" should be that low, or a conflict could happen..

above these, are mods that adds to skyrim in the form of Baby dragons, a hunting cabin and mods that changes or adds to the skyrim ui.

...

i'm kinda runnin out of time here, so i'll let it be here, see if you can make anything out of all that gibberish i made. ^^'

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