Vortex

[BillCorwin]

Not sure if this has already been discussed, but after installing Vortex, my newly saved games would "disappear". Not just the normal saves but the quicksaves would either disappear or not register at all. I have deleted Vortex from my system. I do prefer using NMM as to the ease of use,

 

Sorry for the bad news.

[BillCorwin]

My apologizes. my saves are still being deleted. Please disregard this topic as I am in error.

[HadToRegister]

Vortex isn't deleting anything, you just didn't watch the tutorials and learn how to use it.
If you told Vortex to manage your saves, then it's made a profile and it's saving them under that profile name in the SAVES folder.

Plus, you're posting this in the wrong forum and should be posting it in the Vortex Forum

 

If you o to C:\users\<your name>\My Documents\My Games\Skyrim\Saves\

you should see a folder with random numbers and letters, your current saves are in there

But yea, you should go back to NMM

 

Have fun.

[Zebsi]

Actually, you should go to Mod Organizer. Both Vortex and NMM are subpar at best.

[TheGreatFalro]

Actually, you should go to Mod Organizer. Both Vortex and NMM are subpar at best.

Care to explain why you think so? NMM is incredibly broken, and I find that Vortex performs much better than MO ever did, and allows me more control.

[Zebsi]

Well, we can agree that NMM is broken, so there's no need to explain that part :P

 

The main issue with Vortex is that you can't manually set your load order. You can set rules for individual plugins, but that's not the same thing. MO2 can do everything Vortex to do, with more control. Tbh there's no reason to use any other mod manager at the moment.

 

Plus, almost every post I've seen about Vortex has had bad things to say about it. You don't see that kind of thing with MO, at least not on a comparable scale.

 

But it really comes down to personal preference. If Vortex works for you and MO2 doesn't, then there's no point in switching. But if it's between MO2 and NMM, then you should always go with Mod Organizer.

[TheGreatFalro]

Well, we can agree that NMM is broken, so there's no need to explain that part :tongue:

 

The main issue with Vortex is that you can't manually set your load order. You can set rules for individual plugins, but that's not the same thing. MO2 can do everything Vortex to do, with more control. Tbh there's no reason to use any other mod manager at the moment.

 

Plus, almost every post I've seen about Vortex has had bad things to say about it. You don't see that kind of thing with MO, at least not on a comparable scale.

 

But it really comes down to personal preference. If Vortex works for you and MO2 doesn't, then there's no point in switching. But if it's between MO2 and NMM, then you should always go with Mod Organizer.

Thank you for the calm, well-reasoned post. It's hard to find people who will act that way when challenged.

 

I certainly understand your reasoning. For myself, I find that manual organization is rarely necessary, but I realize that some people want total control.

I generally find that most people complaining about Vortex are those that jumped in (usually from NMM) and expected everything to work 100%. However, there are quite a few issues that likely aren't caused by that, I agree.

 

I also agree that it is ultimately personal preference. No sense using a manager that you're uncomfortable with.

 

Have a wonderful holiday.

[HadToRegister]

Actually, you should go to Mod Organizer. Both Vortex and NMM are subpar at best.

 

Mod Organizer is authored by the same person who is writing Vortex.

 

Also, with Vortex you don't need to manually sort your load order anymore, so that point is completely moot.

Instead, you sort your BSAs, Meshes and Textures, and Vortex will show you which ones are conflicting, and lets you easily resolve them with a couple of clicks.

 

The people who complain there's no manual ESPs sorting refuse to let go of having to micromanage their ESPs in the past, and insist that they MUST do it in Vortex as well, when Vortex does it for them.

[Zebsi]

Mod Organizer is authored by the same person who is writing Vortex.

The difference is one's been out as a full release for a couple years now, while the other one has only been out, in beta, for a couple months.

 

Also, with Vortex you don't need to manually sort your load order anymore, so that point is completely moot.

Intention and delivery are two different things. Ideally, Vortex would make manual adjustment a thing of the past. However, there have been instances of previously working load orders being screwed up after transitioning over. While they may be the minority, they still make your point about my point being moot, moot.

 

The people who complain there's no manual ESPs sorting refuse to let go of having to micromanage their ESPs in the past, and insist that they MUST do it in Vortex as well, when Vortex does it for them.

That's because those people want a mod manager, not a glorified front end for LOOT. Don't get me wrong, LOOT is an absolute necessity when it comes to modding, but LOOT + manual adjustment > just LOOT

Edited December 21, 2018 by Zebsi

[HadToRegister]

 

Mod Organizer is authored by the same person who is writing Vortex.

The difference is one's been out as a full release for a couple years now, while the other one has only been out, in beta, for a couple months.

 

Also, with Vortex you don't need to manually sort your load order anymore, so that point is completely moot.

Intention and delivery are two different things. Ideally, Vortex would make manual adjustment a thing of the past. However, there have been instances of previously working load orders being screwed up after transitioning over. While they may be the minority, they still make your point about my point being moot, moot.

 

The people who complain there's no manual ESPs sorting refuse to let go of having to micromanage their ESPs in the past, and insist that they MUST do it in Vortex as well, when Vortex does it for them.

That's because those people want a mod manager, not a glorified front end for LOOT. Don't get me wrong, LOOT is an absolute necessity when it comes to modding, but LOOT + manual adjustment > just LOOT

 

 

Those "previously working" load orders must've not been working all that well, if loot decided that the order should be changed.

 

You CAN manually adjust load order in Vortex, however, you don't have to and the only people who so dearly hold onto the "manually Adjusting Load Order" concept are coming from years of micromanaging their esps when they don't need to anymore, once again, your point is moot, and you're just arguing to be able to 'drag and drop' because "we've always done it that way", when in fact, it doesn't need to be done that way anymore.

 

I can get my load order running and sorting (by turning on autosort) in just a few minutes, with the occasional MOD conflict, not PLUGIN conflict, but MOD as in Meshes, Textures BSA conflict, and all I have to do is pick which Textures, Meshes, BSA I want to take precedence over another.

 

Agonizing over your esp order is a thing of the past that some people just don't want to let go of.

When I first started using Vortex I was a proponent of bringing back Manual sorting, (there's a massivly long thread in the Vortex forum where I argue to bring it back), then one day, while installing FONV and FO3, I noticed that I was going with the workflow and working WITH Vortex instead of Against it, and all of my frustrations and Cyclic Rules etc immediately disappeared.

 

I would suggest if you want to hold onto the old way of doing things, and not knowing if you have a conflict or not, then go back to NMM or any other older Mod Manager.