How to pinpoint problematic mods?

[Nimarus]

I'm trying to figure out what in my load order is causing me some problems. I've tried the old method of disabling half my mods, testing, then disabling the other 50%. However, disabling a large number usually just causes me to CTD almost immediately. I started a new save as a vampire and the game would usually CTD within a minute or two. I started another game with a character who was imprisoned by the Thalmor (Alternate Start Addon). I typically CTD on my way through clearing out Thalmor inside the fort, never making it outside. The last few times, I noticed I would CTD as soon as I looted a specific Thalmor of his robes. Is there a way to use a program like SSEdit to determine what (if any) mods are altering Thalmor Robes?

 

My Load Order from Loot:

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Dawnguard.esm

3 3 HearthFires.esm

4 4 Dragonborn.esm

254 FE 0 ccbgssse010-petdwarvenarmoredmudcrab.esl

254 FE 1 ccbgssse037-curios.esl

5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp

6 6 BSAssets.esm

7 7 LegacyoftheDragonborn.esm

8 8 BSHeartland.esm

9 9 BS_DLC_patch.esp

10 a Campfire.esm

254 FE 2 CBBE.esl

11 b ApachiiHair.esm

12 c OSA.esm

13 d Blowing in the Wind SSE.esp

14 e SkyUI_SE.esp

15 f Cutting Room Floor.esp

16 10 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

17 11 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

18 12 SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp

19 13 Carry Weight x50.esp

20 14 iNeed.esp

21 15 iNeed - Extended.esp

22 16 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp

23 17 LC_BuildYourNobleHouse.esp

24 18 Hunting in Skyrim.esp

25 19 JobsofSkyrim.esp

26 1a Master Spells and Scrolls Casting Tweaked.esp

27 1b BetterWards.esp

28 1c Immersive Weapons.esp

29 1d Tentapalooza.esp

30 1e CampfirePrimitiveShelter.esp

31 1f HearthfireMultiKid.esp

32 20 Point The Way.esp

33 21 TKAA.esp

34 22 Keep It Clean.esp

35 23 Run For Your Lives.esp

36 24 DBM_Bruma_Patch.esp

37 25 Everfall Island Drawbridge.esp

38 26 Hunterborn.esp

39 27 Phenderix Magic Evolved.esp

40 28 Bring Out Your Dead.esp

41 29 Frostfall.esp

42 2a Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

43 2b RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp

44 2c HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp

45 2d BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp

46 2e Hunterborn - Campfire Patch.esp

47 2f DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp

48 30 Footprints.esp

49 31 Vivid WeathersSE.esp

50 32 icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp

51 33 KS Hairdo's.esp

52 34 FNIS.esp

53 35 True Bat Form Remade.esp

54 36 DBM_IW_Patch.esp

55 37 CaranthirTowerReborn.esp

56 38 DBM_CRF_Patch.esp

57 39 rmp_wizardisland.esp

58 3a The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

59 3b DarkEnvoy.esp

60 3c DBM_iNeed_Patch.esp

61 3d Coldhaven.esp

62 3e Blowing in the Wind - SMIM Merged All Patch SSE.esp

63 3f BVLT - High Elf.esp

64 40 Keep It Clean - Bruma patch.esp

65 41 Keep it Clean - Hunterborn Soaps Patch.esp

66 42 DG-NoAttacks.esp

67 43 Female Mannequins SSE.esp

254 FE 3 Qw_BeyondSkyrimBruma_USSEP Hotfix Patch.esp

68 44 LustmordVampireArmor.esp

69 45 MannequinStayPut.esp

70 46 DBM_IA_Patch.esp

71 47 DBM_KeepitClean_Patch.esp

72 48 BSHeartland TKAA Patch.esp

73 49 raeza.esp

74 4a HearthfireMultiKid TKAA Patch.esp

75 4b LegacyoftheDragonborn TKAA Patch.esp

254 FE 4 Qw_BarenziahQuestMarkers_USSEP Patch.esp

76 4c RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp

RDO - USSEP Patch.esp

77 4d RaceMenu.esp

78 4e RaceMenuPlugin.esp

79 4f SOSRaceMenu.esp

80 50 Schlongs of SkyrimSE - Light.esp

81 51 Simple AUA.esp

82 52 SimpleCampfireAdditions.esp

83 53 SkyHUD.esp

84 54 Subtle Vampires.esp

85 55 ThaneWeaponsReborn.esp

86 56 TorchesCastShadows.esp

87 57 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

88 58 Vivid Weathers SE - Bruma Patch.esp

89 59 XPMSE.esp

90 5a Better Vampires.esp

91 5b Volkihar Knight.esp

92 5c Volkihar Knight - Better Vampires Patch.esp

93 5d Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

94 5e YOT - Keep it Clean.esp

95 5f Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp

96 60 RealisticWaterTwo.esp

97 61 RealisticWaterTwo - Keep It Clean.esp

254 FE 5 RealisticWaterTwo - Beyond Skyrim Bruma.esp

254 FE 6 RealisticWaterTwo - Needs Mod Patch.esp

98 62 RWT Lod Fix.esp

[SongbirdLorelei]

Something a lot of modders overlook is scripts.

 

You can CTD simply from the sheer number of scripts trying to run at once. When I learned about this I was trying to run lots of mods on top of Legacy of the Dragonborn, enhanced blood textures (which used scripting to keep track of wound duration) and Footprints (which uses scripting to keep track of walking NPCs in order to display the decal).

 

Now you have LotD in there which is a large mod and takes up a lot by itself. The author(s) even warn against using it with other, script heavy mods. I see you're also using Footprints - I recommend going into the MCM and changing the effected NPCs to a max of 5 - the default is 20 (!!!) if I remember right so it loads in/applies the effect the NPCs you usually aren't even seeing. I've found putting it at 5 let's me enjoy the effect of the mod (myself/party, immediate people nearby) without wasting PC power applying the effect elsewhere.

 

I see you're also running frostfall. I've not used the mod myself - but I think it uses scripting to keep track of your condition(s). You have a handful of other mods I personally don't have experience with. However my vote is going to the possibility that you have a scripting overload if traditional troubleshooting methods haven't yielded any results.

[QuagaarWarrior]

Scripts isnt the cause

You have a lot of mods I dont so my useful advice may be limited.

If you uninstall mods or install new ones you will need to rerun FNIS each time. Try that first

Edited January 17, 2019 by QuagaarWarrior

[SirTwist]

One useful tool to try it Loot. That may help with some things. Also, you may need compatibility patches that aren't obvious.

[Deleted58783396User]

The most Reliable but also Time Consuming way, is to Load all of your Mods in SSEEdit and check for any record in Red. which means mod Conflicts. this is the best possbile way for Conflict resolution, but requires user input. and as said is time consuming, especially with a lot of mods, ovbiously the less mods you have the more quicker it will be to resolve conflicts.

 

with that said heres a bit of information to bare in mind:

 

i recommend using Wrye Bash when using the classic disable mods to figure the problem technique. the reason i recommend Wrye Bash is because disabling a mod with it will also disable its requirements, thus preventing the Immediate CTD you get when disabling large amount of mods without disabling their requirements (as in mods that require the mod you just disabled).

 

as Mentioned above, LOOT is very handy in Skyrim, as it will also tell you if mods require Patches, thus preventing further problems later on. (however from a perfect load order perspecitive, it is very unlikely to give you a perfect load order, as automated processes never are completely reliable, not too mention LOOT load order sorting completely relies on User Input, which whenever a new mod comes out, LOOT will not recongize it, until the master database is updated, thus the new mod will be placed wherever u installed it. but with that said, LOOT will still give you a very good base line for your load order, as it would very likely recongize a lot of mods, and thus place them accordingly)

 

Load Order and Scripts are very important for game stability, an incorrect load order will cause all sorts of problems, ranging from mods overriding other mods, to CTDs.

 

likewise running too many heavily scripted mods will also cause all sorts of issues, again CTDs being the most likely cause.

 

Skyrim is very happy to crash when it comes across a problem, our job as modders is to prevent that.

 

Also i Strongly Recommend Creating a Bash Patch, again using Wrye Bash, this will Merge all leveled lists edits together thus greatly increasing mod compatibility.

 

Other Potential Causes for CTDs are:

 

Corrupted Nif Files/ Unsupported Mesh Files (Usually caused by badly ported mods that include Mesh files, or Simply Mods not even ported but copy and pasted from Oldrim into Skyrim SE) - (Oldrim Mesh files must be optimized for Skyrim Special Edition)

 

Deleted Navmeshes

 

Missing Master Files (as in A Mod requires a file that you do not have, this will result in an immediate CTD upon Launching the Game)

 

and Badly Scripted Mods, which can result in Script Overflow, causing CTDs - these would be mods that constantly fire, even when not necessary, or simply scripts not made properly, this will cause other scripts that are all firing at the same time to overflow the papyrus scripting system, causing Crashes, Freezes etc etc (Its Unlikely you will come across badly scripted mods however, but its still a possibility)

 

and last but not least, Insufficient Resources/Hardware - this would be, using many mods that use a lot of system resources, causing your hardware's Available resources to run out, thus resulting in CTDs, or in more Severe And Rare Cases, System Crashes

 

so basically, the Game crashing, is not always down to mods, it can in quite a few cases be caused by Insufficiant hardware/Resources, especially if you happen to be using Windows 10, which in itself already uses a lot of Hardware Resources, leaving less for games.